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I'm having serious trouble jumping on the condemnation bandwagon regarding this Tiller thing. While it was obviously illegal and likely a capital offense, I don't see why I should go out of my way to condemn the shooting. And while I completely understand why pro-life groups and activists have come out strong against it--they have political agendas that require a deft handling of public relations--I don't see why I or any other individual unconnected with one of these organizations should play the PR game.

Look, no one save the most dedicated fascist or, I suppose, the most zealous pacifist would ever condemn a German citizen for killing the commander of a Nazi death camp. Killing Jews was official policy and completely legal in Germany at one point, so the illegality of the action is no grounds for moral condemnation. Nor does it make sense to point out the hypocrisy of taking a life in the name of a pro-life cause. It's actually pretty logical in the case of someone like Tiller. Does this mean the shooter was a noble individual doing God's work? Of course not. Again, the pro-life political agenda heavily depends on good PR, and this shooting is obviously bad PR. Killing a death camp commander would have been more than bad PR in the context of Nazi Germany, it would be certain suicide.

The sad, sick and shocking thing about this is we are all acting like good little National Socialists, diving head first into group think and trying to out-do each other in our condemnation. Tiller lived by violent killing and died of a violent killing. His killer will likely die horribly as well. It's a wash. Except for the fact that thousands of humans are likely to survive now who would have been murdered otherwise.

Moreover, liberals using this incident to make hay are so full of crap their eyes are brown. I've lost count of how many of my liberal friends who show no sympathy when I explain to them how Joseph McCarthy died. He was a man who killed no one, but because he supposedly ruined the lives of a few communist spies and fellow travelers, it's poetic justice that he died a miserable alcoholic, a state brought on by a deliberate and concerted effort to ruin his life. How many on the left celebrated upon hearing of the deaths of Whittaker Chambers, Richard Nixon or even Ronald Reagan. A leftist nut even jumped the fence and danced on The Gipper's grave at the Reagan Library. Where was the condemnation of these leftists? If you're thinking this is different, remember that Chambers, Nixon and Reagan never killed anyone much less 60,000 innocent children.

Finally, if a guy makes a million dollars trading credit default swaps, he's evil incarnate and must be hounded to an early grave. A guy makes a million dollars a year performing late term abortions and he becomes a left-wing martyr. Anyone else think that's nuts.

Everyone needs to stop and take a deep breath. Quit referring to this shooting as "the saddest" this or "the most shocking" that. No one is shocked when a gang banger gets killed or when a prostitute gets the clap. Actions have consequences. The shooter was wrong, but let's not go overboard. Tiller deserved to die by the hand of God just like myself and everyone else does.

It just so happens that you and I don't kill babies, so we're less likely to get shot.

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My sentiments exactly.
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Well said, Chris.

I wish you would have posted this on the Tiller thread in the main forum. You bring up astute points, no one made in there.
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Amen.
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I am glad he is dead. The only thing that I will regret is that pro choicers will be able to use it against pro lifers.
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Braveheart, on Jun 1 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

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Well said, Chris.

I wish you would have posted this on the Tiller thread in the main forum. You bring up astute points, no one made in there.

I have so little time to write in my blog and defend myself in that thread, so I chose priority number one. Next week I'll have way more time--which I'll use to go to Vegas. :lol:
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The sad, sick and shocking thing about this is we are all acting like good little National Socialists, diving head first into group think and trying to out-do each other in our condemnation. Tiller lived by violent killing and died of a violent killing. His killer will likely die horribly as well. It's a wash. Except for the fact that thousands of humans are likely to survive now who would have been murdered otherwise.

Not true. Someone else will just continue to do where he left off. A women seeking an abortion will still do so, but now at the hands of another.
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Actions have consequences. The shooter was wrong, but let's not go overboard. Tiller deserved to die by the hand of God just like myself and everyone else does.

It just so happens that you and I don't kill babies, so we're less likely to get shot.

Very good closing line.
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DodgerKing, on Jun 1 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

Not true. Someone else will just continue to do where he left off. A women seeking an abortion will still do so, but now at the hands of another.

He was one of only three in the country who did those kinds of "procedures". I'm sure a few thousand or so will slip through the clutches of the other ones due to mere inconvenience.
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I wasn't aware of the fact that he was unique in that sense. I thought he was just a high named abortion "doctor" and advocate. Since he was, I guess lives will actually be saved.
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I'm a history geek, so I can't remember when I first learned that the American military often made the local German townspeople clean up and bury bodies left in the newly liberated Nazi Death Camps. A few days ago, I once again watched the heart-wrenching episode of 'Band of Brothers' depicting the liberation of one camp, and the scenes where the American soldiers shamed the German townsfolk for their lack of action to help the prisoners shamed me too. Back in WWII, we Americans, especially our GIs, earned the right to feel morally superior to those nasty murdering Nazis and even the regular German folk who stood by and did nothing to stop the slaughter. If those Germans that we condemned could speak to us from their graves, they would have the last laugh. "Yes, we Germans killed 12 million Jews, Poles, Gypsies, dissidents, and Catholics because they were undesirable. But you Americans have killed FIFTY million of your own children of every possible race and creed for no reason at all."
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There was a thread on this news story on one of my friend's Facebook pages. I mentioned Dietrich Boenhoffer's explanation regarding his involvement in a plot to assassinate Hitler. He said, "If a drunken driver drives into a crowd, what is the task of the Christian and the Church? To run along behind to bury dead and bind up the wounded? Or isn't it, if possible, to get the driver out of the driver's seat?". I do not condone the killing of abortionists, but I imagine a similar thought process was used as a justification in this instance.
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I must join the others in saying: well said :clap:
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I agree. As far as I'm concerned, this falls into the "What goes around, comes around" category. What Roeder did was wrong, I'm not going to make a martyr of him, but what Tillman did was wrong too - this lilkely wouldn't have happened if he'd have been a nice old country doctor saving babies rather than killing them. So it's a wash.

The only thing that makes Roeder's actions a crime is that Tillman's actions weren't a crime, otherwise it would be "justifiable homicide". While that's a very important consideration, in my book it just demonstrates once again that the law isn't always right. If I were on the Roeder jury, I already know what my vote would be.

I see a different fallout from this than others do. Some are worried about a backlash against "Right-wing extremists". So far I don't see it going that way, at least not in my limited reading of USA today while I'm sitting here on Vacation. But even if so, I think the long-lasting fallout will be just the opposite. There are too many leftists and immoralists out there who twist the law to serve their own agenda and then hide behind a veil of legality. This should serve as a reminder that you can only push people so far with legalism, there comes a point where some will ignore the legalities and do what they feel needs to be done. So if the Tillman case causes a few leftists and immoralists to lay awake at night considering that possibility and wondering if theres a Roeder out there with them in the crosshairs, then, well, I'm okay with them losing sleep over it.
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Chris, thank you for expressing my thoughts far better than I could have.
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I'm glad I stumbled onto your post. I was having trouble clearing the fog that had enveloped me about this. Your "it's a wash" comment hit the nail on the head. Like the guy who cheats the mob, or the drug mule who skims from his dealer, eventually their gonna get theirs. Is it right? No. Is it surprising? No.

Dogs that chase cars are likely to get run over . . .
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JimDoe, on Jun 3 2009, 11:50 AM, said:

I'm glad I stumbled onto your post. I was having trouble clearing the fog that had enveloped me about this. Your "it's a wash" comment hit the nail on the head. Like the guy who cheats the mob, or the drug mule who skims from his dealer, eventually their gonna get theirs. Is it right? No. Is it surprising? No.

Dogs that chase cars are likely to get run over . . .

Glad I could clear the fog. I honestly thought people were going to flame me for this.
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