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[quote name='ilja' date='Sep 30 2007, 05:20 PM']
[quote name='leftcoast, right winger' date='Sep 27 2007, 11:39 PM']On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Barry Goldwater
Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)

Something you might want to think about.[/quote]
I see it quite differently than yourself LCRW and if your quote is any reprentation of Goldwater then I see it differently than him too. I don't believe that simply because a group is organized because of their religious affiliation that should make them less able to participate in this great Republic of ours than any other group affiliated by any other similarity.

Imagine your same post but instead of inserting religion, you substituted that word with a particular race, ethnicity or gender. How would it sound to you then?

Rather you or others like it or not, religion in particularly Christianity had a much greater influence on how this country was formed than any other belief system.

As for a religious leader being a moral leader, who do you think should be one instead? Simply because someone says something that makes you uncomfortable that doesn't mean that they should have to quit saying it.

It's funny how this conversation has turned out because it's almost a tangent of what I had hoped this would be about. :shrug:
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