Why This Evangelical Supports Fred Thompson
Posted by ilja, Sep 27 2007, 10:43 PM in Politics
I tend to agree with one of our local talk show hosts who recently stated that while Rudy might be able to fool enough people during the primaries that he isn't all that liberal, you can bet when he goes up against Hillary she is going to make sure everybody knows his dirty little secret that most of the media including Fox News is trying to white-wash.
I am what is known as a Social Conservative. I voted for President George W. Bush twice and do not regret either vote even though he has disappointed me and even though I knew prior to both of my votes that he wasn't really all that Conservative.
I have a set of standards when it comes to deciding for whom to vote and while I consider abortion the slavery and Holocaust of our time, I care about other issues as well especially considering that we were attacked on September 11th, 2001. You see I have not forgotten.
I have a line that I will not cross when it comes to who can earn my vote and that line is someone who thinks it is okay to take the life of an innocent unborn baby. Therefore, Rudy Giuliani will not be getting my vote even if he does end up winning the Republican Presidential nomination.
I've been accused for ages now of being a one-issue voter because I will not cross this line but the truth be told, I care about a lot of different issues which is why even though Sam Brownback might be really strong on issues that concern most Social Conservatives, I never even considered supporting him seeing as he is weak on National Defense.
I've been told by other Social Conservatives that I should be supporting Mike Huckabee since after all he is a "real" Christian who attends Church regularly (of course he is a Pastor) and is for the Marriage Amendment declaring marriage to be between one man and one woman. I have also been told that there are certain issues that Christians should not compromise on and it was impllied that this is one of them.
Yet no one stops to explain just how this Amendment is going to be passed seeing as it can't even be brought up as a resolution since there is not enough support. It's not like adding an Amendment to the Constitution is done every day. It takes two-thirds of both houses of Congress to pass a resolution calling for an Amendment. Then it must be ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the States.
Either that or two-thirds of the States must vote to call for a convention where Constitutional Amendments can be proposed which would still require ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the States. This second option has actually never happened.
So I am suppose to use the support of this particular Marriage Amendment (which I do personally happen to like) as a litmus test for deciding which candidate I should support if I am being a "real" Christian? If I were to hold out for any Amendment it would be one to protect the lives of innocent unborn babies and even I, the queen of Naive don't have glasses that rosy.
Plus another issue that is important to me is illegal immigration and I'm afraid that I do not trust Mike Huckabee on this issue. He has tried to explain certain statements he has made about this issue but still the fact that he made them in the first place has me more than a little uneasy.
But the main reason I can't support Mike Huckabee is because barring some unforeseen circumstances he doesn't have a prayer of a chance in winning the Republican Presidential nomination and thanks to the media making Rudy Giuliani "America's Mayor" I don't have the luxury of being able to play around with my primary vote. You see people often say that it is in the primaries where you should support someone who is closest to your own views and then when it comes to the general election, you can vote for the lesser of the two evils.
Yet if the polls are correct and all of us Social Conservatives split our votes between the Conservative candidates then Rudy is naturally going to win the Republican nomination. The way I look at it is either I need to compromise a little now or I will have to compromise a lot later and I have no intention of voting for a Democrat-lite, thank you very much.
I keep hearing Social Conservatives say that they must stick to their guns and vote for a particular candidate in the primaries even though they acknowledge their candidate is not viable but then they will say that they will vote for Rudy if he ends up winning the nomination. This does not compute in my simple mind. Why would you want to support someone who doesn't have a chance knowing that if you do the option of having to vote for someone who is so totally anathema to your beliefs will be your ultimate decision?
Besides, Fred Thompson even has a set of principles upon which he makes his decisions and it appears to me that these principles are the closest to our founding fathers than all of the other candidates put together.
I don't know about you but I want America back. I believe Fred Thompson is the only one who has a chance of taking us there.
Elusively yours,
ilja
Comments
leftcoast, right winger, Sep 27 2007, 11:39 PM
visualjohn, Sep 28 2007, 08:56 AM
I support a woman's right to her own body. Abortions are legal in this country.
I also think that you should have more respect for the Constitution.
I wouldn't try and re-write your bible to add more gay's and lesbians into the saint list!
This post has been edited by visualjohn: Sep 28 2007, 08:57 AM
USNJIMRET, Sep 28 2007, 09:32 AM
Those who put their religious values, all or one of them, above all else, are no different then some muslims, who put their religious values, all or one of them, above all else.
They just claim to have a less restrictive view of opposing religious values.
As for abortion. You are either for it or against it. (OK, I'd allow that there are some circumstances when you can have a little wiggle room. Rape, incest, health threat to the mom).
I don't believe any politician who claims to be personally opposed to something, but willing to "go along" if elected. Go along with what? This week's push poll? This months junk science "proof"?
Either a candidate has core values, and has demonstrated them, or they are just a politician. Willing and ready to flip, then flop, then 'nuance' and be all things to all people all the time.
Politician, one of the longer four letters words in the English Language.
Guest_Old_Mil_*, Sep 29 2007, 02:32 AM
That goes for Fred (I think illegals should have a path to citizenship) Thompson as well.
Eddie Gibson, Sep 29 2007, 10:24 AM
I support a woman's right to her own body. Abortions are legal in this country.
I also think that you should have more respect for the Constitution.
I wouldn't try and re-write your bible to add more gay's and lesbians into the saint list!
Just out of curiosity, visualjohn, which part of a woman's body is being killed during an abortion. I submit to you that it is a child's body, not the woman's. Ilja, Thompson is also my choice in the primaries, however if there is someone nominated that I do not care for as much, I am inclined to vote for the "lesser of two evils" over someone like Hillary or Obama.
CarolA1222, Sep 29 2007, 09:32 PM
I agree with Ilja, Fred Thompson is the man I'd like to see as President of this great country.
I also believe that there is room for everybody to have opinions its what makes this Country great. (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)
Mad Jack, Sep 30 2007, 01:59 PM
leftcoast, right winger, Sep 30 2007, 10:35 PM
leftcoast, right winger, Oct 1 2007, 12:44 AM
I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying but I don't think politicians or anyone should obey a religious leader as if he is the master and they are the slaves. Shoot, I even disagree with my own Senior Pastor at times and have been taught by him that we should weigh everything he says against the Word of God since he is human too and subject to mistake.
I don't see how a group of people who have formed their group because of their religious beliefs should be treated any differently than any other type of group formed for any other reason.
There's a big difference between saying that one's religious beliefs should be made into law verbatum and that one is influenced by their faith to fight for a particular cause by supporting certain candidates or certain legislation.
I think we are both on the same page only expressing it differently. (And you're gonna burn for daring to disagree with the pastor! (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/Victim.gif) )
j/k about the burning!



























I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."
Barry Goldwater
Speech in the US Senate (16 September 1981)
Something you might want to think about.