Emeritus?
Posted by Joe the Pagan, Oct 18 2009, 01:50 PM
Why is it when you see Howard Zinn he gets to put emeritus after his name, but when you see a retired Military officer they just call him or her retired?
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USNJIMRET, Oct 18 2009, 02:01 PM
Because having done little more in their "Professional" life but read, think and opine, they need some honorific to make them sound all wonderful to the masses?
cdkorzen, Oct 18 2009, 02:11 PM
It's an academic thing. Professor Emeriti have an office, e-mails, a phone number... the hope is that they will still come back and be a resource to the younger crowd. They're duties are reduced, but they're still connected to the university. For example, a very close friend of the family is a Professor Emeritus at Virginia Tech -- he still has students he advises, and can do work, but the expectations of output are much less.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
Attila, Oct 18 2009, 02:14 PM
QUOTE (USNJIMRET @ Oct 18 2009, 01:01 PM)
Because having done little more in their "Professional" life but read, think and opine, they need some honorific to make them sound all wonderful to the masses?
That about sums it up! (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Had they really done something deserving of such honorifics, unlike that which any 'Retired' Military have accomplished, they wouldn't feel they have to 'gussy up' such bogus 'appendages' for themselves. (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/erst060.gif) It's sort of like the old title of 'Esq' which didn't require anything other than being born into wealth in 99.9% of the cases it was actually used.
Joe the Pagan, Oct 18 2009, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (cdkorzen @ Oct 18 2009, 03:11 PM)
It's an academic thing. Professor Emeriti have an office, e-mails, a phone number... the hope is that they will still come back and be a resource to the younger crowd. They're duties are reduced, but they're still connected to the university. For example, a very close friend of the family is a Professor Emeritus at Virginia Tech -- he still has students he advises, and can do work, but the expectations of output are much less.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
If your family friend decided he was not going to advise students or be a resource could he have his title removed?
This post has been edited by Joe the Pagan: Oct 18 2009, 03:10 PM
USNJIMRET, Oct 18 2009, 03:21 PM
Having given the subject a bit more thought..........
I rather imagine that the majority of people who have and use "Emeritus", earned it the old fashioned way. (As John Houseman used to say "They eaaarrrnnneed it".)
So for me to dismiss all of them like I did was less then fair.
However, much like the "Esq" used after many Lawyers names as a "Title" denoting one thing to professional equals, it can carry a completely, and perhaps undeserved, meaning to the lay public.
I believe that the majority of people who use the "Emeritus" after their name, in non professional settings, do so specifically to lend weight to their opinions. Even when their opinions might have no more factual basis then mine.
I rather imagine that the majority of people who have and use "Emeritus", earned it the old fashioned way. (As John Houseman used to say "They eaaarrrnnneed it".)
So for me to dismiss all of them like I did was less then fair.
However, much like the "Esq" used after many Lawyers names as a "Title" denoting one thing to professional equals, it can carry a completely, and perhaps undeserved, meaning to the lay public.
I believe that the majority of people who use the "Emeritus" after their name, in non professional settings, do so specifically to lend weight to their opinions. Even when their opinions might have no more factual basis then mine.
cdkorzen, Oct 18 2009, 07:27 PM
QUOTE (Joe the Pagan @ Oct 18 2009, 04:09 PM)
QUOTE (cdkorzen @ Oct 18 2009, 03:11 PM)
It's an academic thing. Professor Emeriti have an office, e-mails, a phone number... the hope is that they will still come back and be a resource to the younger crowd. They're duties are reduced, but they're still connected to the university. For example, a very close friend of the family is a Professor Emeritus at Virginia Tech -- he still has students he advises, and can do work, but the expectations of output are much less.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
If your family friend decided he was not going to advise students or be a resource could he have his title removed?
I don't think so -- I believe it's part of getting tenure -- it's literally "for life". My department at school had some professors who were "emeritus" and I don't think I ever saw them in all 6 years there...
Shrinque, Oct 19 2009, 09:25 AM
QUOTE (cdkorzen @ Oct 18 2009, 08:27 PM)
QUOTE (Joe the Pagan @ Oct 18 2009, 04:09 PM)
QUOTE (cdkorzen @ Oct 18 2009, 03:11 PM)
It's an academic thing. Professor Emeriti have an office, e-mails, a phone number... the hope is that they will still come back and be a resource to the younger crowd. They're duties are reduced, but they're still connected to the university. For example, a very close friend of the family is a Professor Emeritus at Virginia Tech -- he still has students he advises, and can do work, but the expectations of output are much less.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
Whereas from what I understand, retired military officers get much less resources from the armed forces (don't maintain an e-mail address, and I doubt they could live on a base), and are pretty much independent.
If your family friend decided he was not going to advise students or be a resource could he have his title removed?
I don't think so -- I believe it's part of getting tenure -- it's literally "for life". My department at school had some professors who were "emeritus" and I don't think I ever saw them in all 6 years there...
Definitely not. "Emeritus" is a title, voted by faculty and confirmed by the trustees. It is not part of tenure at all. There are lots of retired professors, etc., in academia who do not have the title of Emeritus. Some churches will also grant Emeritus status to pastors. The Presbyterian church in which I grew up even had an Elder Emeritus.
MADGestic, Oct 19 2009, 08:22 PM
The difference is that Emereti still get paid.
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