Satanists in the Vatican: Is it Really That Far Fetched?
Posted by Mr. Naron, Mar 7 2010, 07:26 PM
Mike Potemra at National Review's The Corner thinks it is...
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It’s the sort of headline that belongs in a kook tabloid, or on a book review of a Malachi Martin fantasy. But the allegation is made by (hitherto) respected exorcist Gabriele Amorth, who says in a new book that “Yes, also in the Vatican there are members of Satanic sects.” According to the Catholic News Agency report, when asked whether clergy as well as laymen are involved, he responded, “There are priests, monsignors and also cardinals!” Now, this Amorth is not exactly a fringe figure: His books are published in the U.S. by one of the most respectable mainstream religious publishing houses — Ignatius Press, which is also the U.S. publisher of the works of Joseph Ratzinger/Benedict XVI.
Just a couple of days ago, I was talking to a devout and educated Catholic layman, who was telling me about the spiritual dangers of excessive interest in demonology. The demonic/Satanic exists, but a focus on it can warp the spirituality of a believer, and should be indulged in only with great caution. The high probability is that Father Amorth has been taken off the emotional rails by the work he does, in which case I wish him a speedy recovery.
Just a couple of days ago, I was talking to a devout and educated Catholic layman, who was telling me about the spiritual dangers of excessive interest in demonology. The demonic/Satanic exists, but a focus on it can warp the spirituality of a believer, and should be indulged in only with great caution. The high probability is that Father Amorth has been taken off the emotional rails by the work he does, in which case I wish him a speedy recovery.
I wouldn't be so sure. Where better for the enemy to infiltrate? I have no doubt in my mind that there are Satanists pastoring churches and teaching Sunday School in evangelical denominations. It would be silly to dismiss the possibility. In fact, we know it has happened.
Sure there's reason to remain skeptical with the absence of any real proof, but I wouldn't be quick to start diagnosing Amorth with emotional problems either. All Christian sects need to be on the lookout for Satanic infiltration in all its forms, even the seemingly cartoonish brand. It sounds like a joke until you find out something horrifying is going on.
I'm reminded of the reactions to allegations that communists had infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It couldn't be possible that someone like Alger Hiss or Harry Dexter White could be Soviet agents. And despite plenty of conclusive evidence, many on the Left and some on the Right still don't believe it.
When dealing with people who don't play by any concrete set of rules like Satanists or communists, the facts can easily become obscured. No one wants to be seen as engaging in a "witch hunt" because, these days, such activity is viewed as worse than actually being a Satanist or a communist. So, out of an abundance of caution, we overlook things vigilance demands we investigate.
I hope the Catholic Church doesn't think itself invulnerable to the influence and infiltration of Satanists and Satanic forces. I can't imagine a more dangerous institution than a Roman Catholic Church in the clutches of the enemy.
My Mind is Clean
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JimNEPA, Mar 7 2010, 08:18 PM
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
Mr. Naron, Mar 7 2010, 08:32 PM
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
I grew up on Jack Chick comic books about the Satanic origins of the RCC. They scared the living doody out of me. I couldn't set foot in a Catholic sanctuary without getting the willies. But I've come to see it as hype for more than one reason, not the least of which having to do with Chick Publications' lack of credibility on other issues. Studying apologetics also helped me learn how the RCC has been a tremendous force in preserving orthodoxy.
One would think a Satanic institution would do as much as possible to destroy orthodoxy. (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/erst060.gif)
ggardner, Mar 7 2010, 09:14 PM
As a Catholic, I went through a period of deep distrust regarding my faith after reading a couple of books about the infamous campaigns of the Croatian Ustashe to wipe out Serbs in the new Republic of Croatia established by Ante Pavelic, the Croatian fascist who took the reins of power after the German invasion of Yugoslavia. Some of the most horrific atrocities were apparently committed by the Ustashe (the uniformed command of the new republic, akin to the Gestapo in Nazi Germany), culminating in the original "ethnic cleansing" at the Jasenovac concentration camp system. Of course, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, and Croats who wouldn't toe the line of the Ustashe were also similarly victimized.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
pict, Mar 7 2010, 09:15 PM
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
That was me, I'm Simon reincarnated and really a demon from hell. I grow horns on my forehead at night with bolts of flame shooting from my arse. I also eat live rats while studying the Catechism, we Catholics are all really demons from hell.
JimNEPA, Mar 7 2010, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (pict @ Mar 7 2010, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
That was me, I'm Simon reincarnated and really a demon from hell. I grow horns on my forehead at night with bolts of flame shooting from my arse. I also eat live rats while studying the Catechism, we Catholics are all really demons from hell.I was merely bringing up a point which I felt was in line with the subject at hand, a point which Mr. Naron found familiar, disagreed with, and replied to with dignity. Yes, I have read some of Chick's works in recent years, and in my opinion he mixed one-part truth with nine-parts error, exaggeration, and outright lies, and made himself out to look like a nut, which is closer to doing the Devil's Work than anything else. I got my own ideas from reading the Bible and from my own experience as a former Catholic as well as from the observations and scholarship of others. Having said that, I admit I am no preacher, nor am I here to sew discord, and I apologize for having offended anyone reading this, especially Pict.
Mr. Naron, Mar 7 2010, 10:47 PM
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 07:15 PM)
QUOTE (pict @ Mar 7 2010, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
That was me, I'm Simon reincarnated and really a demon from hell. I grow horns on my forehead at night with bolts of flame shooting from my arse. I also eat live rats while studying the Catechism, we Catholics are all really demons from hell.I was merely bringing up a point which I felt was in line with the subject at hand, a point which Mr. Naron found familiar, disagreed with, and replied to with dignity. Yes, I have read some of Chick's works in recent years, and in my opinion he mixed one-part truth with nine-parts error, exaggeration, and outright lies, and made himself out to look like a nut, which is closer to doing the Devil's Work than anything else. I got my own ideas from reading the Bible and from my own experience as a former Catholic as well as from the observations and scholarship of others. Having said that, I admit I am no preacher, nor am I here to sew discord, and I apologize for having offended anyone reading this, especially Pict.
You missed the part where I used the word "doody". (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Buckwheat Jones, Mar 7 2010, 10:47 PM
When I was in the seminary, the DS (Director of Seminarians, headmaster, rector, etc., the guy who was in charge of the students) would cruise through all the halls in the building late at night praying the Rosary, essentially blessing every room and passage after the students went up to the dorms. Why? Same reasoning as in the article. If you're the devil, where's the best place to go to do the most damage?
Mr. Naron, Mar 7 2010, 10:51 PM
QUOTE (ggardner @ Mar 7 2010, 06:14 PM)
As a Catholic, I went through a period of deep distrust regarding my faith after reading a couple of books about the infamous campaigns of the Croatian Ustashe to wipe out Serbs in the new Republic of Croatia established by Ante Pavelic, the Croatian fascist who took the reins of power after the German invasion of Yugoslavia. Some of the most horrific atrocities were apparently committed by the Ustashe (the uniformed command of the new republic, akin to the Gestapo in Nazi Germany), culminating in the original "ethnic cleansing" at the Jasenovac concentration camp system. Of course, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, and Croats who wouldn't toe the line of the Ustashe were also similarly victimized.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
That's quite a bone to gnaw on. Not being a Catholic, i wouldn't know how to respond to the specifics. However, I would point out that acting in contrast to ones faith does not indict the faith itself. It just indicts the individuals who can't or won't live up to it.
pict, Mar 7 2010, 10:54 PM
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 07:15 PM)
QUOTE (pict @ Mar 7 2010, 09:15 PM)
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
That was me, I'm Simon reincarnated and really a demon from hell. I grow horns on my forehead at night with bolts of flame shooting from my arse. I also eat live rats while studying the Catechism, we Catholics are all really demons from hell.I was merely bringing up a point which I felt was in line with the subject at hand, a point which Mr. Naron found familiar, disagreed with, and replied to with dignity. Yes, I have read some of Chick's works in recent years, and in my opinion he mixed one-part truth with nine-parts error, exaggeration, and outright lies, and made himself out to look like a nut, which is closer to doing the Devil's Work than anything else. I got my own ideas from reading the Bible and from my own experience as a former Catholic as well as from the observations and scholarship of others. Having said that, I admit I am no preacher, nor am I here to sew discord, and I apologize for having offended anyone reading this, especially Pict.
ggardner, Mar 7 2010, 11:05 PM
QUOTE (Mr. Naron @ Mar 7 2010, 07:51 PM)
QUOTE (ggardner @ Mar 7 2010, 06:14 PM)
As a Catholic, I went through a period of deep distrust regarding my faith after reading a couple of books about the infamous campaigns of the Croatian Ustashe to wipe out Serbs in the new Republic of Croatia established by Ante Pavelic, the Croatian fascist who took the reins of power after the German invasion of Yugoslavia. Some of the most horrific atrocities were apparently committed by the Ustashe (the uniformed command of the new republic, akin to the Gestapo in Nazi Germany), culminating in the original "ethnic cleansing" at the Jasenovac concentration camp system. Of course, Jews, Gypsies, Communists, and Croats who wouldn't toe the line of the Ustashe were also similarly victimized.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
I'm not sure what to believe, but I know a lot of Serbs reported that Catholic monks and lay priests took active roles in the atrocities, some of them ten times more horrible than the stuff you've read about the Holocaust in Poland and White Russia. It is said that the Vatican aided the flights from Allied justice for many Ustashe (including Pavelic, who eventually was gunned down by a Serb in Spain). There was a book that came out many years ago by a Serb named Vladimir Dedijir called "The Yugoslav Auschwitz and The Vatican" that brought out many of the horrific details, as well as having a copious amount of photographic evidence; it chilled me to the bone. Some would say that the evil had already worked its way into The Vatican.
Another author (whose name escapes me) wrote a book about the Ustashe dictatorship and how The Vatican in the 1950's used its influence to take control of a very important election in Malta. While I still maintain my Catholic rites of worship, and love and miss my home church in Massachusetts, the stuff I read is always in the back of my mind, and I can't help but wonder that if even half of what I read was true, that my very core of beliefs would be shaken up. I guess I'm just not ready for that kind of turmoil. So the point above about Orthodoxy being a target rang true, as the Greek Orthodox Church (the sect followed by the majority of Serbs in the Balkans) was the number-one enemy of Catholic Croatia. My understanding is that a lot of people in this country as still not very much aware of this part of history (mooga is the only other one that knows this stuff, I think). For instance, Dedijer's book was banned in Germany! Anyway, if said above is true, maybe real evil has taken root in the church, and maybe in other churches as well.
That's quite a bone to gnaw on. Not being a Catholic, i wouldn't know how to respond to the specifics. However, I would point out that acting in contrast to ones faith does not indict the faith itself. It just indicts the individuals who can't or won't live up to it.
That's a great point, Chris, and is why I held onto my faith. Lately, besides the love of my wife, it's all I have to hold on to right now.
JimNEPA, Mar 7 2010, 11:38 PM
Mr. Naron: I didn't think it was anything to get wee-weed up about. (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Pict: For a minute there I thought you were describing a character from the next James Cameron 3-D epic, "Marines Invade Hell To Save Earth But Lose Because One Of Them Finds Out That Demons Are In Harmony With Nature And We Humans Are A Bunch Of Selfish Right Wing Douchebags". (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/popcorn3.gif)
Pict: For a minute there I thought you were describing a character from the next James Cameron 3-D epic, "Marines Invade Hell To Save Earth But Lose Because One Of Them Finds Out That Demons Are In Harmony With Nature And We Humans Are A Bunch Of Selfish Right Wing Douchebags". (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/popcorn3.gif)
Taliesin, Mar 7 2010, 11:40 PM
The columnist was right to point to Fr Malachi Martin as this is nearly the direct plot to his novel Windswept House. That novel was widely believed to be more truth than fiction as most of the main characters in the Vatican are thinly veiled versions of the actual men in all of those positions. Considering he was close to several popes and received a rather unique separation from the Vatican, he may have been right. Sadly I think he did himself and his opinions a disservice by appearing on Art Bell's radio show so often.
cobalt-blue, Mar 8 2010, 01:49 AM
As someone who has directly accused of being a Satanist (to my face) because I'm not a Christian, I would like to point something out:
My usual reply to that is that Satan is a Christian God and has nothing to do with me. Now I know that some would take offense to the suggestion that Satan is God, but to be honest: to hear a lot of Christians talk, he IS one. Their own fears and insecurities have raised him from a mere rebellious angel to veritable Goodhood. It really is something that you should consider. At least we had the good sense to chain our agent of chaos to a rock.
My usual reply to that is that Satan is a Christian God and has nothing to do with me. Now I know that some would take offense to the suggestion that Satan is God, but to be honest: to hear a lot of Christians talk, he IS one. Their own fears and insecurities have raised him from a mere rebellious angel to veritable Goodhood. It really is something that you should consider. At least we had the good sense to chain our agent of chaos to a rock.
Mr. Naron, Mar 8 2010, 07:25 AM
QUOTE (cobalt-blue @ Mar 7 2010, 10:49 PM)
As someone who has directly accused of being a Satanist (to my face) because I'm not a Christian, I would like to point something out:
My usual reply to that is that Satan is a Christian God and has nothing to do with me. Now I know that some would take offense to the suggestion that Satan is God, but to be honest: to hear a lot of Christians talk, he IS one. Their own fears and insecurities have raised him from a mere rebellious angel to veritable Goodhood. It really is something that you should consider. At least we had the good sense to chain our agent of chaos to a rock.
My usual reply to that is that Satan is a Christian God and has nothing to do with me. Now I know that some would take offense to the suggestion that Satan is God, but to be honest: to hear a lot of Christians talk, he IS one. Their own fears and insecurities have raised him from a mere rebellious angel to veritable Goodhood. It really is something that you should consider. At least we had the good sense to chain our agent of chaos to a rock.
I don't think it's nearly as controversial as you think for the enemy to be considered a "god". Hence the commandment to have "no other gods before me". It kind of assumes the existence of other "gods". This by no means challenges the Creator's status as the supreme God and Lord of the universe.
I would also point out that the enemy is never described in scripture as merely a rebellious angel. His power is unrivaled next to the Lord Himself (although omnipotence is infinitely more powerful, I'll give you that). In the book of Jude, we are warned not to even mock him because we have no idea what we're dealing with.
Kilmerfan, Mar 8 2010, 12:00 PM
The Devil walks among us, and he is very busy. If you want to find Satan you don't have to look too far.
A good prayer against Demons
A good prayer against Demons
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Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, having struck down the ancient serpent and bound him in Tartarus by bonds of darkness, protect me from his snares. Through the prayers of our Most Holy Lady, the Theotokos and Ever-virgin Mary, of the holy Archangel Michael and all the Heavenly hosts, of the holy Prophet and Baptist John, of the holy Evangelist John the Theologian, of the holy Martyr Cyprian and the Martyr Justinia, of St. Nicholas the wonderworker, of St. Nikita of Novgorod, of St. John of Shanghai and San Francisco, the wonderworker … and of all the saints, by the power of the life-giving Cross and by the intercession of my Guardian Angel, deliver me from evil spirits, from cunning people, from sorcery, curses, the evil eye, and from any slanders of the enemy. By Thine almighty power preserve me from evil, so that I, enlightened by Thy light, may safely reach the quiet anchorage of the Heavenly Kingdom and there eternally thank Thee, my Savior, together with Thine unoriginate Father and Thy Most Holy and Life-giving Spirit. Amen
xtremeright, Mar 8 2010, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (pict @ Mar 7 2010, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 05:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
That was me, I'm Simon reincarnated and really a demon from hell. I grow horns on my forehead at night with bolts of flame shooting from my arse. I also eat live rats while studying the Catechism, we Catholics are all really demons from hell.I knew it!!!! Plus, you love boobies waaaaay to much!!
As a non-Catholic, who has many family members that are Catholic, plus I spent many years going to Catholic Mass more than my Lutheran church, due to family reasons, I have to say that I, personally, have often wondered how a man, that is elected by other men, can be revered as "most holy", etc. and that his word is the bottom line law of the church, which kinda has a little cultish ring to it. Plus, the vast amount of historical documents, etc. that are held in the Vatican and no one is allowed to see them, etc., just turns me off. Same with the Inquisitions in the dark ages and the political meddling that the Catholic church has done throughout history in the affairs of nations.
With that, my point is that I wouldn't be surprised about it. I really wouldn't, because of the centralized control over doctrine and the special recognition that is given to the Vatican, it would be the perfect place to infiltrate. What better place than in the HQ of the largest of your enemies?
That's just my opinion, though.
MrStain, Mar 8 2010, 09:06 PM
Neat topic, Chris! I for one would not be surprised if Satan and other demons have been trying to infiltrate the Vatican. I really can see no bigger target on earth than the city set upon a hill. Satan would love to hide that light.
MrStain, Mar 8 2010, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (JimNEPA @ Mar 7 2010, 08:18 PM)
I have read that there are those who believe the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been influenced by Satan, and may even have been founded by Simon Magus, a Samaritan magician who had tried to bribe the real Apostles.
You should ask Sufi what he thinks about Simon Magus. That always makes for a good topic. (IMG:http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
MrStain, Mar 8 2010, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (Mr. Naron @ Mar 7 2010, 10:51 PM)
That's quite a bone to gnaw on. Not being a Catholic, i wouldn't know how to respond to the specifics. However, I would point out that acting in contrast to ones faith does not indict the faith itself. It just indicts the individuals who can't or won't live up to it.
You got it! Saint Paul himself pointed out examples of this in his letters to the Corinthians and the Galatians. It’s Salvation history, people! There's been some sinning goin' on since the beginning.
MrStain, Mar 8 2010, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (Kilmerfan @ Mar 8 2010, 12:00 PM)
The Devil walks among us, and he is very busy. If you want to find Satan you don't have to look too far.
A good prayer against Demons
A good prayer against Demons
That is an awesome prayer, Kilmerfan! Thanks for sharing. I also like the guardian angel prayer we teach the little ones at church.
“Angel of God, my guardian dear
To whom God’s love commits me here
Ever this day be at my side
To light, to guard, to rule and guide. Amen”