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Posted 21 January 2019 - 12:42 PM

View PostDJGoody, on 21 January 2019 - 12:05 PM, said:

Today Mueller is their boy until he is no longer their boy!

When it comes out that Mueller's report is a nothing burger, the left will of course demand another investigation into whether or not Trump and the Russians paid off Mueller.

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Just like Comey was with the Hillary scandals! :lol:
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:20 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 21 January 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

So whats the alternate theory of how this happened?

Cohen lied to Congress just because he felt like breaking the law and exposing himself to jail time, without ever discussing anything with his #1 client Trump or his lawyers?

:rolleyes: Yea right.




Mueller's team DID NOT specify what exactly is not accurate. Their statement is as vague as can be and leaves much in the orginal story to be true.

For example Cohen could been dealing with Trump through a lawyer and although he was directed to lie, there is not yet proof developed by the investigators that it was Trump peronsonaly that was directing.


How do you know any of it is true? You don't, but you want to believe it's all true so bad that your willing to suspend reason for it.

Using your own question; why would Trump engage in a federal felony by having Cohen lie about when Trump's hotel was finished in Moscow? Why would he willingly have Cohen lie when telling the truth would not matter to anyone? Whether it (the hotel) was finished in January of 2016 or June of 2016 makes no difference to anyone and would have no effect on answering truthfully to congress. So; why tell Cohen to lie?
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 01:34 PM

View PostJunto, on 21 January 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

Why didn't Mueller charge Cohen for lying to Congress along with his other crimes?

Yeah, that is an interesting omission.

I wonder if our resident leftist can answer this question?

Well, resident leftist, why was Cohen not charged with lying to Congress? :popcorn:
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Posted 21 January 2019 - 04:57 PM

Come on know, you are all missing the most important things in modern journalism......

#1. It's not the truth which matters it's making Orange Man look bad.
#2. Keep promising that this will get Trump impeached.
#3. Making sh$t up is a okay if it makes Orange Man or his supporters look bad.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 10:20 PM

View PostTea Party Hooligan, on 21 January 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

How do you know any of it is true? You don't, but you want to believe it's all true so bad that your willing to suspend reason for it.


I know what makes sense and what simply doesn't add up.

People do things for a reason. Lawyers doing things that they know can land them in jail have ESPECIALLY well considered reasons.

Cohen lied and the reasonable presumption is that he did it because he/they thought telling the truth was worse.

View PostTea Party Hooligan, on 21 January 2019 - 01:20 PM, said:

Using your own question; why would Trump engage in a federal felony by having Cohen lie about when Trump's hotel was finished in Moscow? Why would he willingly have Cohen lie when telling the truth would not matter to anyone? Whether it (the hotel) was finished in January of 2016 or June of 2016 makes no difference to anyone and would have no effect on answering truthfully to congress. So; why tell Cohen to lie?


Throughout the campaign Trump repeatedly said "I have no deals in Russia", but as we find out he was pursuing a Trump tower deal in Moscow all the way to November...which ofcourse explains a lot of Trump's flaterry for Putin and a Kremlin friendly platform. It also gives more credince to the issue of collusion of illegal sort.
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 12:15 AM

View PostNoclevermoniker, on 21 January 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

And monkeys could fly outta Madonna's butt. But how likely is either scenario?

Hey! You’re way overestimating the probability! :lol:
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 04:12 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 21 January 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

I know what makes sense and what simply doesn't add up.



You support the progressive agenda and the Democrat party blindly and in lockstep. Your statement above is false.
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 05:53 AM

View PostJerryL, on 22 January 2019 - 04:12 AM, said:

You support the progressive agenda and the Democrat party blindly and in lockstep. Your statement above is false.


His statements are ALWAYS false....
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 07:42 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 21 January 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

I know what makes sense and what simply doesn't add up.

People do things for a reason. Lawyers doing things that they know can land them in jail have ESPECIALLY well considered reasons.

Cohen lied and the reasonable presumption is that he did it because he/they thought telling the truth was worse.



Throughout the campaign Trump repeatedly said "I have no deals in Russia", but as we find out he was pursuing a Trump tower deal in Moscow all the way to November...which ofcourse explains a lot of Trump's flaterry for Putin and a Kremlin friendly platform. It also gives more credince to the issue of collusion of illegal sort.

I know how business works is hard for you, but he had no deals in Russia. Pursuing a deal is not having a deal.
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 08:24 AM

View Postzurg, on 22 January 2019 - 12:15 AM, said:

Hey! You’re way overestimating the probability! :lol:

Hey, it could happen...
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 08:32 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 21 January 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

So whats the alternate theory of how this happened?

Cohen lied to Congress just because he felt like breaking the law and exposing himself to jail time, without ever discussing anything with his #1 client Trump or his lawyers?

:rolleyes: Yea right.




Mueller's team DID NOT specify what exactly is not accurate. Their statement is as vague as can be and leaves much in the orginal story to be true.

For example Cohen could been dealing with Trump through a lawyer and although he was directed to lie, there is not yet proof developed by the investigators that it was Trump peronsonaly that was directing.

When Rice lied to Congress did she do so because she felt like it, or did Obama direct it? What about when HRC and her aides lied? Were those lies directed by Odumbo, or is it because they were hiding other crap that they did?

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Posted 22 January 2019 - 11:50 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 21 January 2019 - 10:20 PM, said:

I know what makes sense and what simply doesn't add up.

People do things for a reason. Lawyers doing things that they know can land them in jail have ESPECIALLY well considered reasons.

Cohen lied and the reasonable presumption is that he did it because he/they thought telling the truth was worse.



Throughout the campaign Trump repeatedly said "I have no deals in Russia", but as we find out he was pursuing a Trump tower deal in Moscow all the way to November...which ofcourse explains a lot of Trump's flaterry for Putin and a Kremlin friendly platform. It also gives more credince to the issue of collusion of illegal sort.


Per the bolded: Didin't Obama get caught on a live mic telling Medveded that "he will have more negotiating room after the election" then turning a blind eye to Putin invading Ukraine? Wouldn't that be considered "kremlin friendly"?
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 08:58 PM

View PostTea Party Hooligan, on 22 January 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

Per the bolded: Didin't Obama get caught on a live mic telling Medveded that "he will have more negotiating room after the election" then turning a blind eye to Putin invading Ukraine? Wouldn't that be considered "kremlin friendly"?


POTUS can negotiate with Russia or anyone else, that is called conducting foreign policy.

But there is EVERYTHING wrong with a foreign adversary having a PERSONAL/BUSSINESS LEVERAGE on the descision making of a Presidential nomenee, which of course becomes a leverage on the POTUS who has to cover up all that happening during the campaign.

You saying that Obama "turned a blind eye to Putin" after Krimea annexation is seriously ignorant.

This whole RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA story pretty much originates with Obama administration responding to the annexation by leading crippling international sanctions on Russia and it's oligarchs. It contracted Russian economy by about 2% annually and landed that country in a recession. Putin is not one to simply take the lumps, but a direct response by Kremlin would only lead to further economic contraction for Russia. Illegal electioneering and hacking campaign was Putin's way to get back at United States, to weaken it's institutions and to sow discord in the Western alliance.
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Posted 22 January 2019 - 09:05 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 22 January 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

This whole RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA story pretty much originates with Obama administration responding to the annexation by leading crippling international sanctions on Russia and it's oligarchs. It contracted Russian economy by about 2% annually and landed that country in a recession.

:biglaugh:

O M G

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Posted 23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 22 January 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

POTUS can negotiate with Russia or anyone else, that is called conducting foreign policy.

But there is EVERYTHING wrong with a foreign adversary having a PERSONAL/BUSSINESS LEVERAGE on the descision making of a Presidential nomenee, which of course becomes a leverage on the POTUS who has to cover up all that happening during the campaign.

You saying that Obama "turned a blind eye to Putin" after Krimea annexation is seriously ignorant.

This whole RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA story pretty much originates with Obama administration responding to the annexation by leading crippling international sanctions on Russia and it's oligarchs. It contracted Russian economy by about 2% annually and landed that country in a recession. Putin is not one to simply take the lumps, but a direct response by Kremlin would only lead to further economic contraction for Russia. Illegal electioneering and hacking campaign was Putin's way to get back at United States, to weaken it's institutions and to sow discord in the Western alliance.


Trump wasn't the nominee at the time he was doing business with Russian business concerns. Also, it is not against the law to do business with Russia. If you are indicating that it is against the law to negotiate a private business deal with Russian government officials while holding office, then I agree, Hillary should be in jail this minute for the Uranium 1 deal she was heavily involved with while SoS.
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Posted 23 January 2019 - 09:28 AM

View PostTea Party Hooligan, on 23 January 2019 - 08:37 AM, said:

Trump wasn't the nominee at the time he was doing business with Russian business concerns.


He was working the deal until the day of the election, according to Rudy Giuliani's account of the written answers provided to the Special Counsel.

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Also, it is not against the law to do business with Russia.


When the lender providing the funding and the government official providing the permits are both Kremlin-connected and under US sanctions, it actually is against the law to do business with them.

Does it bother you that Trump didn't believe he would win and was negotiating a deal with the Kremlin to make money when he lost, all while lying about it to voters?
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Posted 23 January 2019 - 10:10 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 22 January 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

POTUS can negotiate with Russia or anyone else, that is called conducting foreign policy.

But there is EVERYTHING wrong with a foreign adversary having a PERSONAL/BUSSINESS LEVERAGE on the descision making of a Presidential nomenee, which of course becomes a leverage on the POTUS who has to cover up all that happening during the campaign.

You saying that Obama "turned a blind eye to Putin" after Krimea annexation is seriously ignorant.

This whole RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA story pretty much originates with Obama administration responding to the annexation by leading crippling international sanctions on Russia and it's oligarchs. It contracted Russian economy by about 2% annually and landed that country in a recession. Putin is not one to simply take the lumps, but a direct response by Kremlin would only lead to further economic contraction for Russia. Illegal electioneering and hacking campaign was Putin's way to get back at United States, to weaken it's institutions and to sow discord in the Western alliance.


You are just like Nathan Phillips. You make 0.0 sense.

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 January 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

He was working the deal until the day of the election, according to Rudy Giuliani's account of the written answers provided to the Special Counsel.



When the lender providing the funding and the government official providing the permits are both Kremlin-connected and under US sanctions, it actually is against the law to do business with them.

Does it bother you that Trump didn't believe he would win and was negotiating a deal with the Kremlin to make money when he lost, all while lying about it to voters?


You too!
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