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  Posted 10 December 2017 - 08:43 AM

Why Jerusalem Matters



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By Tom Mountain
December 10, 2017


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The memorial to President John F. Kennedy is shaped as the stump of a fallen tree, symbolizing a life cut short. Surrounding it are acres of pristine forest, planted long ago in his honor, with other adjoining acreage for his brother Robert, and still another for his son John, Jr.

The Kennedy Memorial is built on a tall plateau overlooking a lush valley so stunning it evokes images of Eden. On a clear day one can gaze all the way to the distant sea.

It is the largest memorial for the slain American president beyond the borders of the United States.

The 9/11 Living Memorial is shaped as a large bronze flag fluttering like a flame to symbolize the demise of the Twin Towers. Its base is made from the steel of the Towers. The names of all the victims of 9/11 are inscribed in the plaza surrounding the monument.

It is the largest 9/11 memorial beyond the borders of the United States.

Both memorials are in Jerusalem. Not London. Not Rome. Not Paris. Jerusalem, Israel.

No one from America asked or expected the Jews of Israel to build these memorials. But build them they did.

By a people and city that have always shared a sincere affection for the American nation, with a unique historical bond from the same Bible that inspired our ancestors to these shores to build a City on a Hill. A New Jerusalem.

So captivated were our Founding Fathers with Jerusalem that several studied Hebrew just so they could read the Bible in its original text. Abraham Lincoln wanted to travel there to be able to walk in the City of the Prophets.

The capital of David and Solomon, Ben-Gurion and Begin. The 3,000 year City on a Hill so sacred in the Jewish faith there's hardly a prayer that doesn't mention it.

For nearly two millennia following Jerusalem's destruction in antiquity the yearning for their sacred city was so intense that Jews everywhere would conclude their Passover with "Next year in Jerusalem."

In the darkest hours of the Russian pogroms Jews would pray for Jerusalem.

As they were led to the gas chambers in the Holocaust Jews would cry out for Jerusalem.

During the Six Day War when the first Jewish soldiers reached Jerusalem's Western Wall they bowed and wept in prayer. After so many centuries, they had at last returned to Jerusalem.

Jerusalem meant redemption. The end of exile. The return to their ancient homeland. Nationhood.

For far too long the Jewish people peered into an empty grave as proof of their existence. That ended with the resurrection of the Jewish State. The Return to Jerusalem meant salvation.

And when at long last the President of the United States gave his blessing to Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel, the Jews illuminated the ancient walls of their city with American flags. They sang and danced in the streets, and blessed the Almighty.

And they gave special thanks to Donald J. Trump.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 11:32 AM

Of course Trump did the right thing.

And of course the mindless morons will never acknowledge that fact.

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Posted 10 December 2017 - 05:44 PM

View Postpepperonikkid, on 10 December 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Why Jerusalem Matters


As a christian, the better question would be, "DOES Jerusalem matter?"

NO, it doesn't.

At least not in any "christian" context. Jerusalem mattered to the Jews because it was the site of the Temple which, via offerings, was their way to Salvation as they saw it at the time. We Christians are not beholden to that; We have Christ and his teachings rather than offerings at a temple. Jerusalem is irrelevant except as a curiosity of antiquity.
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Posted 10 December 2017 - 09:05 PM

View PostDean Adam Smithee, on 10 December 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

As a christian, the better question would be, "DOES Jerusalem matter?"

NO, it doesn't.

At least not in any "christian" context. Jerusalem mattered to the Jews because it was the site of the Temple which, via offerings, was their way to Salvation as they saw it at the time. We Christians are not beholden to that; We have Christ and his teachings rather than offerings at a temple. Jerusalem is irrelevant except as a curiosity of antiquity.

Jerusalem has many important locations and events for Christians even from Jesus' time, and our Bible does still include the OT, in which Jerusalem has an obvious importance. So I don't know what you're talking about, beyond your typical knee jerk to be contrarian.
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Posted 11 December 2017 - 03:00 AM

View Postzurg, on 10 December 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

Jerusalem has many important locations and events for Christians even from Jesus' time, and our Bible does still include the OT, in which Jerusalem has an obvious importance. So I don't know what you're talking about, beyond your typical knee jerk to be contrarian.

Yep.

Israel and Jerusalem also have a huge part to play in the end times as described in Revelations...the end times that bring about the return of Christ.

To say that Israel and Jerusalem have no meaning for Christians is just wrong.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 12:27 PM

View Postpepperonikkid, on 10 December 2017 - 08:43 AM, said:

Why Jerusalem Matters
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The emotional impact that this grand act has had on the People of Israel cannot be measured in words.


The emotional impact that naming Jerusalem as ONLY the capital of the Jewish people without ALSO naming it as the capital of the future Palestinian state cannot be measured in words, either.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 01:47 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

The emotional impact that naming Jerusalem as ONLY the capital of the Jewish people without ALSO naming it as the capital of the future Palestinian state cannot be measured in words, either.

It's premature to talk about a capital before you have a country.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 01:59 PM

View Postzurg, on 20 December 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

It's premature to talk about a capital before you have a country.


Perhaps that's why Jerusalem was a "final status issue," to be worked out once the parties had agreed on (many) other things.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:16 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Perhaps that's why Jerusalem was a "final status issue," to be worked out once the parties had agreed on (many) other things.


:rolleyes:

What did the Palestinians ever agree to? (I mean besides "kill all the Jews")

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:19 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 12:27 PM, said:

The emotional impact that naming Jerusalem as ONLY the capital of the Jewish people without ALSO naming it as the capital of the future Palestinian state cannot be measured in words, either.

Has all of the leftist talking points down and NEVER deviates.

Absolute cultist.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:41 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 20 December 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

What did the Palestinians ever agree to?


Two states defined by the pre-1967 borders (and minor land swaps) living side-by-side in peace; with East Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state, which would have sovereignty over the Al Aqsa mosque compound.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:46 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

...living side-by-side in peace...


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

If the Palestinians wanted peace, there would be peace. If the Israelis wanted war, there would be no Palestinians.

As long as there's still one living Jew left in Israel, the Palestinians have no intention of "living side-by-side in peace."

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 02:56 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 20 December 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

If the Palestinians wanted peace, there would be peace.


If they didn't want peace, they wouldn't have agreed to the two-state solution.

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If the Israelis wanted war, there would be no Palestinians.


Dude...the global population of Jews is about 1/1000th of the global population of Muslims. Without US support, the state of Israel would not exist.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 03:01 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

Two states defined by the pre-1967 borders (and minor land swaps) living side-by-side in peace; with East Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state, which would have sovereignty over the Al Aqsa mosque compound.

That_Guy's revision of World Series game 7.

TG pitches for CogDiss against RN. Bottom of the ninth, score 0-0. A fastball! RN's batter1 gets all of it! It's going....going....gone! Series winning home run from one of the many interchangeable players of the honest and steady RN team. They are the champions!

But what is this? TG is making a furious protest with the umpire. No one is really paying attention but the claim seems to be .... "I require a do-over. Return to the conditions before the 9th inning. RN's team is almost all White! The batter was thinking about slavery when he hit the ball! And he has a Russian girlfriend with potential ties all the way to Putin! He caused a micro aggression!! This is not a true championship! I will organize a million Palestinian march in protest".... "I have facts" ....

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:09 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

If they didn't want peace, they wouldn't have agreed to the two-state solution.



Dude...the global population of Jews is about 1/1000th of the global population of Muslims. Without US support, the state of Israel would not exist.


LOL

I realize you're way too young to "remember" the facts, LOL, but one might expect you to at least read up on issues before making such a fool of yourself.

For just one example, in June 1967 it took Israel all of 6 days to annihilate the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria. Without any help from anybody.

Then there was the "War of Attrition" during which (again single-handedly) Israel had no problem taking care of the armies of Egypt, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the PLO.

Then there was the Yom Kippur War where they defeated a "coalition of Arab states" led by Egypt and Syria.

And so on.

(BTW, all these wars were initiated by the Arab countries, NOT Israel. As I said, if they wanted peace with Israel, there would be peace.)

But typical of your sort, you automatically side against Israel, without regard to the actual facts.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:20 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 20 December 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

For just one example, in June 1967 it took Israel all of 6 days to annihilate the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria. Without any help from anybody.

Then there was the "War of Attrition" during which (again single-handedly) Israel had no problem taking care of the armies of Egypt, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the PLO.

Then there was the Yom Kippur War where they defeated a "coalition of Arab states" led by Egypt and Syria.


A lot has happened over the past four decades; and now the Israeli economy is half the size of just the Saudi economy, which (absent American support) would enable the House of Saud to eliminate the state of Israel, if they so desired.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:27 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A lot has happened over the past four decades; and now the Israeli economy is half the size of just the Saudi economy, which (absent American support) would enable the House of Saud to eliminate the state of Israel, if they so desired.


IF that's true, then it's a good thing Israel has American support. Otherwise the bad actors win.

The fact remains - Palestine has been made more than fair offers on many occasions, and has rejected them all because they have no interest whatsoever in "peace" as long as a single Jew remains alive in Israel.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:29 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

A lot has happened over the past four decades; and now the Israeli economy is half the size of just the Saudi economy, which (absent American support) would enable the House of Saud to eliminate the state of Israel, if they so desired.

Why are you always against successful people?
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:34 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 20 December 2017 - 04:27 PM, said:

The fact remains - Palestine has been made more than fair offers on many occasions, and has rejected them all


Not true.

The fact remains that the Palestinians have agreed to two states defined by the pre-1967 borders (and minor land swaps) living side-by-side in peace; with East Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state, which would have sovereignty over the Al Aqsa mosque compound.
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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:44 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 20 December 2017 - 04:34 PM, said:

Not true.

The fact remains that the Palestinians have agreed to two states defined by the pre-1967 borders (and minor land swaps) living side-by-side in peace; with East Jerusalem as the capital of the new Palestinian state, which would have sovereignty over the Al Aqsa mosque compound.


LOL. Tell yourself whatever you please. As long as you keep deluding yourself the Palestinians have any desire or intention to live "side-by-side in peace" with Israel, you'll never want for moonshine.

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