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#1 User is offline   MTP Reggie 

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:17 PM

The Outlandish, Scary Schemes Being Studied to Cool the Planet
By Brian K Sullivan
February 5, 2018
bloomberg.com

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Plan B is coming out of the shadows in the global-warming debate. The question on the table: With hope dimming that humankind can effectively curb carbon emissions, is it time to strong-arm nature to turn the thermostat down?

To scientists who study geoengineering, this is within the realm of possibility. The idea is to manipulate the climate, by planting millions of trees to clear the air or -- at the other extreme -- creating a mirror of chemicals in the heavens to reflect the sun’s heat away from Earth. Some of the schemes are outlandish, if not downright scary. A small though increasingly vocal band of experts in the field contends the options must at least be explored.

Scientists including David Keith at Harvard University and Antonio Busalacchi of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research are advocating that more resources be devoted to the discipline.

“Suddenly all sorts of people who five years ago would have said, ‘Shut up, this is too controversial, I don’t want to talk about it,’ now agree something should happen,” said Keith, a professor of applied physics and public policy and a member of a team planning a field experiment this year to test whether shooting sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere might limit solar radiation.

Ferocious Debate
As it is, he said, “there is very little research going on.” There is ferocious debate about the efficacy -- and ethics -- of climate intervention, even among academics who specialize in it. What’s bringing it to the fore is a recognition the international community probably won’t meet its markers for cutting back on the man-made gases that, according to the consensus, contribute to rising temperatures.

“We are past a point of no return in the quest to avoid dangerous warming,” said Clive Hamilton, the author of 2013’s “Earthmasters: The Dawn of the Age of Climate Engineering” and a professor at Charles Sturt University in Canberra, Australia. “Have we reached the geoengineering tipping point? I don’t see it yet, but it will come.”

Some geoengineering ideas don’t have big frills: painting roofs white to reflect infra-red rays, for instance. The private sector and governments have pursued small-scale weather massaging, such as when China used rockets to divert rainfall from the 2008 Olympics opening ceremony.

Fertilize Oceans

Then there are the massive, planet-wide endeavors being investigated on paper and in the lab: spraying marine clouds with saltwater to make them paler so they’ll bounce more sunlight back into space or injecting microbubbles into the Pacific and Atlantic oceans for the same effect; thinning out cirrus clouds with biological agents to allow heat to escape into the atmosphere; using powdered iron sulphate to fertilize oceans and stimulate phytoplankton growth that will draw carbon dioxide from the skies.

“It is the extremely risky ones that are getting all the attention,” Hamilton said. They’re “so full of dangers it is surprising people take it seriously.”

In theory, geoengineers could even mimic the climatological effects -- without the deadly consequences -- of a massive volcanic eruption like the one at Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines in 1991 that spurred a 0.5 degree Fahrenheit drop in global temperatures.

Tim Kruger, manager of the Geoengineering Programme at the University of Oxford, said he knows how complicated, and often frightening, his field can seem. But sensible alternatives must be considered because governments that signed the Paris Agreement “have seemingly not internalized what it would take to achieve it.”

Paris Accord

The Paris accord commits to holding the increase in the average global temperature “well below” 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial levels, and to aim for 1.5 degrees.

The United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is at work on a report that is expected to throw cold water on hope for the 1.5 degree goal without some manner of geoengineering. Even 2 degrees is widely viewed as unobtainable, particularly with President Donald Trump having pledged the U.S. will pull out of the climate pact.

According to Neil Craik of the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, “the only way to get to 2 degrees is by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.” Can that really be done? The European Academies Science Advisory Council recently cast doubt on the prospect. It’s something the world needs to fully investigate, Craik said, because it it isn’t clear “we can get removal to work at the scales necessary.”

‘Throwing in the Towel’

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:20 PM

I posted this primarily because one of our less than stellar proggy posters suggested in the recent past that we should spray that crap (sulfate aerosols) into the atmosphere.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:38 PM

These climate-nannies should first get China, India and other various dirty countries to clean up their act first. The USA is one of the cleanest countries on the planet, but you won't hear that from the left.

Trying to play God and engineer the climate will do nothing to clean up the ghettos, barrios and <censored>holes of the world.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

View Poststick, on 05 February 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

These climate-nannies should first get China, India and other various dirty countries to clean up their act first. The USA is one of the cleanest countries on the planet, but you won't hear that from the left.

Trying to play God and engineer the climate will do nothing to clean up the ghettos, barrios and <censored>holes of the world.



DOWN WITH VOLCANOES!
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:43 PM

First Question: What should the Earth's temperature be? For every square meter, to a depth of 10 meters, to a height of 10,000 meters, to the nearest 0.1 Deg. C.

Show your work.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:45 PM

Simple, get a huge fan and leave the door to Bill and Hillary's bedroom open.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:14 PM

View Poststick, on 05 February 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

These climate-nannies should first get China, India and other various dirty countries to clean up their act first. The USA is one of the cleanest countries on the planet, but you won't hear that from the left.

Trying to play God and engineer the climate will do nothing to clean up the ghettos, barrios and <censored>holes of the world.


I remember the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing. NBC gushed over how beautiful China is. Then they would turn the cameras to athletes cutting through yellow smog during the 400-meter hurdles.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:22 PM

The best thing, to me, about the movies "The Colony" and "Snowpiercer" was that in both cases, people at the beginning did some kind of technical "solution" to global warming, weather machines and spraying chemicals in the air, respectively, and both kicked off ice ages.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:52 PM

View Postgravelrash, on 05 February 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

I remember the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing. NBC gushed over how beautiful China is. Then they would turn the cameras to athletes cutting through yellow smog during the 400-meter hurdles.

It's really not that bad as long as you don't inhale.

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:38 PM

View PostSeverian, on 05 February 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

The best thing, to me, about the movies "The Colony" and "Snowpiercer" was that in both cases, people at the beginning did some kind of technical "solution" to global warming, weather machines and spraying chemicals in the air, respectively, and both kicked off ice ages.



Exactly my thought.

The Left is very, very bad when it comes to the 'Law of Unexpected Consequences' -- Butterfly Effect.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

Ok... The Colony, Butterfly Effect and Snowpiercer were just stupid in premise and on-screen.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:33 PM

A minimum, like the Maunder Minimum, is on the horizon.

When it comes, and it will, we will be better off if "global warming" were real 'cause it's going to get cold.

If these "global warming" tools to some time to educate themselves, they would know we are actually in the middle of a small warming period in the middle of an ice age.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:53 PM

In the 1970's due to the coming ice age these similar groups of moron's proposed salting the polar ice caps. Guess we are lucky those idiot's didn't get to do that back then. We would be screwed today.
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Posted 05 February 2018 - 09:09 PM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 05 February 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

In the 1970's due to the coming ice age these similar groups of moron's proposed salting the polar ice caps. Guess we are lucky those idiot's didn't get to do that back then. We would be screwed today.


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