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Posted 22 May 2019 - 07:53 AM

Nevada passes National Popular Vote bill in bid to upend Electoral College
Assembly Bill 186 headed to Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak
By Valerie Richardson
The Washington Times
Wednesday, May 22, 2019

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The Nevada Senate approved Tuesday a National Popular Vote bill on a party-line vote, sending the legislation aimed at upending the Electoral College to the governor. Assembly Bill 186, which passed the Senate on a 12-8 vote, would bring Nevada into the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, an agreement between participating states to cast their electoral votes for the winner of the popular vote. If signed as expected by Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak, Nevada would become the 16th jurisdiction to join the compact, along with 14 states and the District of Columbia. The compact would take effect after states totaling 270 electoral votes, and with Nevada, the total would reach 195.

While the effort has been billed by organizers as bipartisan, Democrats have embraced the NPV in the aftermath of President Trump's 2016 victory, which saw the Republican win the electoral vote but not the popular vote.

Leftist groups like Common Cause, Indivisible and Public Citizen cheered the Nevada vote. "The movement to abolish the electoral college is winning," tweeted Public Citizen.
The NPV would not eliminate the Electoral College, but would render it irrelevant by requiring electors to vote for the national vote-winner instead of the candidate capturing the most votes in their states.

Supporters argue that it would shift the focus of presidential elections away from a handful of swing states, while critics say it would concentrate power in states like California and New York with the largest population centers.

"If we go to a national popular vote, why would they even bother coming here? Our constitution says we're a republic, not a democracy," said Nevada Assemblyman Jim Wheeler during last month's debate. "I voted 'no' on the national popular vote because I don't want Nevada to be a flyover state."

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:21 AM

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College. Someone should go to the ACLU to file a lawsuit against "National Popular Vote" bills. Oh, wait...
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:29 AM

View Postgravelrash, on 22 May 2019 - 08:21 AM, said:

It will take a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College. Someone should go to the ACLU to file a lawsuit against "National Popular Vote" bills. Oh, wait...


So... Nevada is not going to hold a presidential election then? Why bother if they’re going to wait for a bunch of densely populated cities to decide the next president?
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 08:34 AM

Man are they stupid.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:11 AM

View PostKilmerfan, on 22 May 2019 - 08:34 AM, said:

Man are they stupid.


No, they are power hungry, 12-8 meaning all 12 of the Democrats voted for this, and none of the Republican's. That shows you which party will surrender their rights and which will fight for them.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:16 AM

The National Popular Vote Compact says that a state like Nevada will give her electoral votes to whoever gains the national popular vote even if most Nevada voters voted the opposite way. Hence, parties to this compact are invoking the principle of majority rule nationally, while they reject and flout majority rule in their own states.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:29 AM

View PostMartin, on 22 May 2019 - 09:16 AM, said:

The National Popular Vote Compact says that a state like Nevada will give her electoral votes to whoever gains the national popular vote even if most Nevada voters voted the opposite way. Hence, parties to this compact are invoking the principle of majority rule nationally, while they reject and flout majority rule in their own states.


I see this potentially backfiring against the democrats who voted for it. There will be many people seriously pissed off if they didn't vote for whomever wins the national 'popular' vote, but who won the majority in their state.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:36 AM

PSA: There is no such thing as a "popular vote" for President. Thus, there is nothing to "win" or "lose...
By pudge on November 9, 2016 4:23 AM

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PSA: There is no such thing as a "popular vote" for President. Thus, there is nothing to "win" or "lose."

And this isn't merely a technical point: people cast their vote based on the system we have, so the fact that we have no popular vote has an effect on the vote itself, such that votes in different states aren't equal.

In California, for example, it's not possible for anyone but Clinton to win, so someone might be more likely to vote for a third-party or independent candidate, or not at all, since your vote is inconsequential. But in Florida, where the outcome was far from assured, someone is more likely to vote for one of the majority party candidates.

So the way you vote can change depending on which state you're voting in; therefore, you can't just pull all the individual votes together from all the states (plus DC!) and call it a "popular vote." The number is meaningless.

We don't know who will have the most individual votes in 2016, but we know Bush had fewer than Gore in 2000. But what we don't know is if Bush would have had fewer in 2000 if we had an actual popular vote. All we know is that the tally would have been different, and that it might have been different in sufficient degree that Bush would have had more.

So please, stop talking about the "popular vote" as though it can tell us who would have won if we determined the election by actual popular vote. It cannot tell us that.

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:44 AM

Can all these democrats not imagine that a republican will ever win the "popular vote"? It will be fun to watch states that voted for democrats give their electoral votes to the republican. (Or have an emergency session to change the law when it looks like it won't be going their way.)
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:49 AM

This is a republic, not a democracy.

A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

Nevada and the other states who are trying to circumvent the constitution should not have any of their votes counted.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:57 AM

View PostRock N, on 22 May 2019 - 09:49 AM, said:

This is a republic, not a democracy.

A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.


You forgot the most important part

"Liberty is a well armed sheep"
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:15 AM

Like every other democrat scheme, this will backfire. Trump will wind up winning California's 55 EC votes. :lol:

More details here.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:58 AM

I live in Colorado, one of the states that is part of the compact. According to a constitutional scholar at a local uni he says that states are prohibited by the constitution from doing such compacts. It will be challenged in courts.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:06 AM

Nevada-

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View PostNatural Selection, on 22 May 2019 - 10:15 AM, said:

Like every other democrat scheme, this will backfire. Trump will wind up winning California's 55 EC votes. :lol:

More details here.


:exactly:

View PostRock N, on 22 May 2019 - 09:49 AM, said:


Nevada and the other states who are trying to circumvent the constitution should not have any of their votes counted.


:exactly:

They can go to Hell....

View PostBubbajoebob, on 22 May 2019 - 09:44 AM, said:

Can all these democrats not imagine that a republican will ever win the "popular vote"? It will be fun to watch states that voted for democrats give their electoral votes to the republican. (Or have an emergency session to change the law when it looks like it won't be going their way.)


Amazing fun, indeed!
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:08 AM

View PostMTP Reggie, on 22 May 2019 - 09:29 AM, said:

I see this potentially backfiring against the democrats who voted for it. There will be many people seriously pissed off if they didn't vote for whomever wins the national 'popular' vote, but who won the majority in their state.


It will be a fun sight to see!
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:42 AM

Nevada should just merge with California because they will be doing their bidding anyway.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:02 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 22 May 2019 - 10:15 AM, said:

Like every other democrat scheme, this will backfire. Trump will wind up winning California's 55 EC votes. :lol:

More details here.

Yeah, these idiots are forgetting about all the people who sit elections out because there is no chance their state will go red no matter what.

Of course, when this happens, they will scream about some other some such that needs to be changed in their favor.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:04 PM

View PostHercules, on 22 May 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

Nevada should just merge with California because they will be doing their bidding anyway.


The two states have a fundamental difference that would prevent that from happening.

Nevada has no state income tax. California's state income tax is among the highest in the nation.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:20 PM

View PostMartin, on 22 May 2019 - 09:16 AM, said:

The National Popular Vote Compact says that a state like Nevada will give her electoral votes to whoever gains the national popular vote even if most Nevada voters voted the opposite way. Hence, parties to this compact are invoking the principle of majority rule nationally, while they reject and flout majority rule in their own states.

Good point
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 03:39 PM

View Postmjperry51, on 22 May 2019 - 09:57 AM, said:

You forgot the most important part

"Liberty is a well armed sheep"


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