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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:50 AM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 17 April 2018 - 05:38 AM, said:

He was spot on with that characterization. That's your standard second response to almost all arguments involving illegals. Claim we are racist fall back on self defense of sanctimony. You are no better than them nonsense is getting old and tired. Guess what, in the United States of America where YOU are the citizen, you are in fact better than them. You are a tax paying citizen, they are consumers of taxes with out providing the benefit of paying into the system.

On the pure christian / muslim / buddhist system you are not. But we are not citizens of our religion, and as Jesus said render unto Caesar what is his and unto the Lord what is his. So spare us the sanctimony.



I didnít claim you are all racists. I find your responses about illegal immigrants being prohibited from not only accepting, but donating live organs bizarre. These are just people.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:25 PM

HEY GOP! Stay out of this issue. Organs should go to whoever the family of the donor decides.

SOME THINGS DON'T NEED TO BE LEGISLATED AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!

You people have to be total idiots and want too lose elections.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:29 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 April 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

I didnít claim you are all racists. I find your responses about illegal immigrants being prohibited from not only accepting, but donating live organs bizarre. These are just people.


Illegal immigrants are not just people they are criminal people as it is a felony violation of federal law to enter the US without proper paperwork and not entering though a legal port of entry.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:41 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 17 April 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

Illegal immigrants are not just people they are criminal people as it is a felony violation of federal law to enter the US without proper paperwork and not entering though a legal port of entry.

Parts is parts.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:08 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 April 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

Parts is parts.


Yea but my parts only go to legal people who have not committed a crime and are not getting my liver because they killed their liver by drinking or doing drugs. Nobody gets my lungs because they smoked 3 packs a day to kill their lungs. Criminals for sure will not get any parts from me. I require an enhanced background check just like buying a gun.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:30 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 April 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

I didn't claim you are all racists. I find your responses about illegal immigrants being prohibited from not only accepting, but donating live organs bizarre. These are just people.


Read my digital lips:

THEY ARE NOT CITIZENS and therefore NOT ENTITLED TO AMERICAN CITIZEN BENEFITS. I don't care of they are ostriches being a citizen of this country entitles you to something other than paying your wealth to every other nation on the planet.
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Posted 18 April 2018 - 03:26 PM

And we are talking about this, and of course Breitbart explains clearly the impact.

http://www.breitbart...ant-nhs-jailed/

This happened in the UK, but the reality is it's happening here too.


An illegal immigrant from Albania who used a fake ID to get a kidney transplant, costing the National Health Service (NHS) more than £72,000, has been imprisoned.

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 03:32 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 17 April 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Yea but my parts only go to legal people who have not committed a crime and are not getting my liver because they killed their liver by drinking or doing drugs. Nobody gets my lungs because they smoked 3 packs a day to kill their lungs. Criminals for sure will not get any parts from me. I require an enhanced background check just like buying a gun.

But if you needed a heart or a kidney, would you accept one that was donated by an illegal immigrant?
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Posted 18 April 2018 - 04:07 PM

View PostLadybird, on 18 April 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

But if you needed a heart or a kidney, would you accept one that was donated by an illegal immigrant?


I won't accept any organs from anyone. I don't want to deal with the anti-rejection meds and all the issue that come with a transplant. Death is part of living and I am ok with dying.
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Posted 19 April 2018 - 12:26 AM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 16 April 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Out of the fourth point of contact with this nonsense. If you were a cop you would realize that Hispanic specially illegals in this country are a major portion of our drunk driving calls. In fact I have had 2 this year. A guatemalan woman and a mexican man. IN fact those were the ONLY 2 DUI's I have dealt with so far this year.

What does drinking and driving have to do with this?

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 16 April 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

Would you want their organs? I certainly wouldn't, I don't drink, nor do I engage in other risky activities. And yes we should not accept their organs. Are they suddenly someone we should be harvesting?

The fact that a Law Enforcement Officer has sentiments like this is very disturbing.

View Postgravelrash, on 16 April 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

Illegals are granted access to emergency rooms, driver's licenses, in-state tuition rates, full-ride scholarships. Why not organ transplants? Why stop the benny-train?
system.

Getting a donated organ isn't a "benefit". The money to pay for the operation perhaps, but not the organ itself.

View PostMontyPython, on 16 April 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

Nobody "wonders" why. When people of little integrity have nothing of genuine substance with which to smear their betters, they invariably pull out the "bigot/racist/sexist/etc" card.

*yawn*

:rolleyes:

People overplay it at times when they don't have an argument.

But there are also plenty of times when it is called out that it is accurate. This is one of those times.

Hell in this thread you have people arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't even be giving organ donations because their organs are somehow tainted. As Ladybird said, it's bizarre. And so far, she's the only one to take objection to it.

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 17 April 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Oh, BS. Itís a perfectly valid issue to bring up for discussion if taxes pay for any part of the process.

It is illegal to sell organs in the United States, money and taxes doesn't enter into the question of how many organs are available and who they are given to. This isn't about who pays, this is about how we decide to distribute donated organs.
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Posted 19 April 2018 - 01:18 AM

View PostTimothy, on 19 April 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:

People overplay it at times when they don't have an argument.

But there are also plenty of times when it is called out that it is accurate. This is one of those times.

Hell in this thread you have people arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't even be giving organ donations because their organs are somehow tainted. As Ladybird said, it's bizarre. And so far, she's the only one to take objection to it.


Well yes, any suggestion organs from illegals are "tainted" for no other reason besides merely being illegal would be pretty ridiculous, although I'm not sure that's exactly what anybody has really said (or meant to say.)

But you're just plain wrong that the other arguments somehow represent "bigotry" or "racism" or whatever. The arguments are in no way based on the race or ethnicity or skin-color of the illegal, they're based on the illegal status of the illegal. In talking about American donated organs, American citizens should have first opportunity, that's all. Americans who are black or hispanic or anything else should still get preference over illegals, even if the illegals are lily-white-skinned people from, say, Sweden or Canada or Europe or whatever. Trying to make this into a "racism/bigotry" issue is sub-moronic and beneath contempt.

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 04:38 AM

What I would love to know is if the organ is 'donated' then why on an itimized cost list would the cost of the organ (rather pricey cost, too) be listed? Didn't cost the hospital anything.
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Posted 19 April 2018 - 12:21 PM

View PostTimothy, on 19 April 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:

What does drinking and driving have to do with this?


The fact that a Law Enforcement Officer has sentiments like this is very disturbing.


Getting a donated organ isn't a "benefit". The money to pay for the operation perhaps, but not the organ itself.


People overplay it at times when they don't have an argument.

But there are also plenty of times when it is called out that it is accurate. This is one of those times.

Hell in this thread you have people arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't even be giving organ donations because their organs are somehow tainted. As Ladybird said, it's bizarre. And so far, she's the only one to take objection to it.


It is illegal to sell organs in the United States, money and taxes doesn't enter into the question of how many organs are available and who they are given to. This isn't about who pays, this is about how we decide to distribute donated organs.


Oh, Tim. How much more the world has to teach you.

Who do you think subsidizes hospital care for the illegal alien? So it is exactly about who pays. And if the US taxpayer is footing any part of the bill for organ transplants, then the US taxpayer has a right to weigh in on who gets those transplants insofar as this thread topic goes.

What I get tired of, is people who instantly jump to the Bigot Card because it sticks to the wall so well. But itís disingenuous and intellectually lazy.
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Posted 19 April 2018 - 03:18 PM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 19 April 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

Oh, Tim. How much more the world has to teach you.

Who do you think subsidizes hospital care for the illegal alien? So it is exactly about who pays. And if the US taxpayer is footing any part of the bill for organ transplants, then the US taxpayer has a right to weigh in on who gets those transplants insofar as this thread topic goes.

What I get tired of, is people who instantly jump to the Bigot Card because it sticks to the wall so well. But itís disingenuous and intellectually lazy.

Exactly. Democrats insist time and again that they don't have problems with people practicing their Christian faith on their own time and own dime, but don't you dare use any taxpayer provided money or resources to say the word Jesus, like in a high school valedictorian speech. THEN it suddenly is about who pays the bill to Timothy et al.

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Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:16 PM

View PostTimothy, on 19 April 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:

What does drinking and driving have to do with this?


The fact that a Law Enforcement Officer has sentiments like this is very disturbing.


Getting a donated organ isn't a "benefit". The money to pay for the operation perhaps, but not the organ itself.


People overplay it at times when they don't have an argument.

But there are also plenty of times when it is called out that it is accurate. This is one of those times.

Hell in this thread you have people arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't even be giving organ donations because their organs are somehow tainted. As Ladybird said, it's bizarre. And so far, she's the only one to take objection to it.


It is illegal to sell organs in the United States, money and taxes doesn't enter into the question of how many organs are available and who they are given to. This isn't about who pays, this is about how we decide to distribute donated organs.


Well lets see, you are such a wanna be social justice warrior. What does drinking and driving have to do with this? These are people that came to this country, they came in illegally looking for a new life. They come here and break our laws, they place AMERICAN CITIZEN lives at risk with their reckless behavior. And more than likely given the level of drunk the female was at she's burning through her liver fast and will be demanding an American citizen one soon enough. So there is a lot of bad decisions being made here by people that we didn't ask to come in.

Second point, you are disturbed if I disagree with you position whether or not I carry a badge. I consider that a badge of honor if you are whimpering about my positions.

Wrong, Getting an organ from an American Citizen is a benefit. You see, given your socialist theory that the government owns the individual and we should subordinate ourselves to that government we are then the property of this government. Therefore if our organs are provided to a illegal they are in fact defrauding the government of it's property. Property that should go to a CITIZEN of this nation. Thus the organ, the operation, the drugs and everything else provided ARE in fact benefits bestowed. Based on your leftist logic.
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Posted 19 April 2018 - 06:18 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 19 April 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

Well yes, any suggestion organs from illegals are "tainted" for no other reason besides merely being illegal would be pretty ridiculous, although I'm not sure that's exactly what anybody has really said (or meant to say.)

But you're just plain wrong that the other arguments somehow represent "bigotry" or "racism" or whatever. The arguments are in no way based on the race or ethnicity or skin-color of the illegal, they're based on the illegal status of the illegal. In talking about American donated organs, American citizens should have first opportunity, that's all. Americans who are black or hispanic or anything else should still get preference over illegals, even if the illegals are lily-white-skinned people from, say, Sweden or Canada or Europe or whatever. Trying to make this into a "racism/bigotry" issue is sub-moronic and beneath contempt.

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Actually according to Mexican law, Mexican citizen organs are the property of Mexico and if they donated them in the US we would be stealing. So no I don't want my country embroiled into that sort of nonsense.
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 12:01 AM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 19 April 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

Actually according to Mexican law, Mexican citizen organs are the property of Mexico and if they donated them in the US we would be stealing. So no I don't want my country embroiled into that sort of nonsense.


Yes, international legal imbroglios should be avoided. I was addressing Timothy's assertion that the "argument" somebody was suggesting was that illegals' organs were "tainted" (i.e. inferior) to others' organs.

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Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:36 AM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 17 April 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Oh, BS. Itís a perfectly valid issue to bring up for discussion if taxes pay for any part of the process.

Particularly in light of the political pandering, preferential treatment and showering of gifts the democrat part and leftists are conducting towards illegals.
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:39 AM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 19 April 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

What I get tired of, is people who instantly jump to the Bigot Card because it sticks to the wall so well. But itís disingenuous and intellectually lazy.


21st Century democrat politics summarized in 2 sentences. Well done.
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 01:48 AM

View PostTimothy, on 19 April 2018 - 12:26 AM, said:


Hell in this thread you have people arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't even be giving organ donations because their organs are somehow tainted. As Ladybird said, it's bizarre.


I'm not opining as much as throwing an intellectual grenade into the argument: Could it not be argued that illegals coming from third world countries where there is poor health care, tropical diseases unknown to the US, and where diseases that are "extinct" in first world nations (TB, small pox, measles, etc) are widespread may indeed make their donated organs risky?

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