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Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:34 PM

Firefighters slam Trump for 'shameful attack' about California fires

1:58 p.m.
By Hector Becerra and Shelby Grad



California firefighters are slamming President Trump for a tweet Saturday in which he incorrectly asserted that this week’s devastating fires were the result of poor forest management.

“There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor,” Trump wrote. “Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

California Professional Firefighters President Brian Rice said Trump was out of line.

"The president’s message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines,” Rice said in a statement.

"At this moment, thousands of our brother and sister firefighters are putting their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands. Some of them are doing so even as their own homes lay in ruins. In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines.”

The Woolsey fire started near Simi Valley in a hillside area next to the old Santa Susana Field Lab and quickly spread into nearby suburban communities.

Some firefighters took to social media to point out the distinction.

“Mr. President, with all due respect, you are wrong. The fires in So. Cal are urban interface fires and have NOTHING to do with forest management. Come to SoCal and learn the facts & help the victims,” the Pasadena Firefighters Assn. said on Twitter.

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:43 PM

Governor Brown and the Tree Huggers ARE responsible for the poor forest management in this state.

And, during the Ovomit Atrocity, CA quietly turned over all of the local parks in this state to the federal government's purview so that you can no longer go into any of the parks without getting a permit or paying a fee.

Herr Brown was tired of paying for their upkeep when there were so many programs for illegals that he wanted to fund with the money instead...

Remember the enormous fire that struck in 2005 while Schwartzenegger was in office and it burned homes and forestland as well as killed people?

All of that growth that burned so fast and so hot SAT THERE BECAUSE THE EPA AND THE TREE HUGGERS ARGUED THAT IT WAS BAD TO THIN OUT THE TREES AND STEAL MUCH NEEDED HABITAT FOR THE ANIMALS.

Then, thanks to the lax and corrupt care taken at the Port of LA, we imported the Bark Beetle from Korea which ripped through the national forests in this area, which made all of that oh so necessary habitat for the animals DEAD and wonderful fodder for a fire bug to go out there and set fires, which is exactly what happened.

Ash fell from the sky like snow flurries at my house for a week and the stink of the smoke in the air was so prevalent that when it finally abated nobody knew what fresh air smelled like and had to readjust.

The reason fires burn SO HOT AND SO LONG in this state IS BECAUSE OF NON EXISTENT MANAGEMENT OF THE FORESTS imposed by the idiots running this state and their cronies.

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 08:00 PM

I heard Mexico does not have this problem because they don't have these regulations.
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Posted 10 November 2018 - 08:13 PM

Ho Hum, another group outraged and slamming the President. :dramaqueen:
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Posted 10 November 2018 - 08:21 PM

Trump is 100% correct and the Cali firefighter spokes-people are progtards, so go figure?

Threatening to withold aid?

It's about frikkin' time that someone holds those responsible accountable, but the working class victims would be the losers. Screw the rich Hollyweird elites. They have insurance.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 12:36 AM

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“There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor,” Trump wrote. “Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

Trying to find a shameful attack...

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Just as I thought. No shameful attack, unless you think telling governments to get their **** together so 'brother and sister firefighters don't have to put their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands' so often counts as a shameful attack. Surprised they didn't try to blame Trump for running around with a Zippo starting the fires. :rolleyes:
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 01:19 AM

View Postgrimreefer, on 11 November 2018 - 12:36 AM, said:

Trying to find a shameful attack...

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Just as I thought. No shameful attack, unless you think telling governments to get their **** together so 'brother and sister firefighters don't have to put their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands' so often counts as a shameful attack. Surprised they didn't try to blame Trump for running around with a Zippo starting the fires. :rolleyes:


Trump could say good morning to an octogenarian while holding the door for her and the media would say that he was planning to attack her with the door and was shamefully sexist for even thinking that an 80+ year old would even NEED someone to hold the door for them.

And that mindset is why we continue to see articles like this.

Any opportunity to fling their poop makes them gleeful in the hopes of convincing some cretin that there is a smote of truth in their mess.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 03:20 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 11 November 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

Trump could say good morning to an octogenarian while holding the door for her and the media would say that he was planning to attack her with the door and was shamefully sexist for even thinking that an 80+ year old would even NEED someone to hold the door for them.

And that mindset is why we continue to see articles like this.

Any opportunity to fling their poop makes them gleeful in the hopes of convincing some cretin that there is a smote of truth in their mess.


I say if Trump found a cure for prostate cancer, the libs would say "see that shows he is a misogynist
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 05:38 AM

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:17 AM

View Postgrimreefer, on 11 November 2018 - 12:36 AM, said:

Trying to find a shameful attack...

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Just as I thought. No shameful attack, unless you think telling governments to get their **** together so 'brother and sister firefighters don't have to put their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands' so often counts as a shameful attack. Surprised they didn't try to blame Trump for running around with a Zippo starting the fires. :rolleyes:


The callousness of criticism and talk of withholding funds in the face of an event still in progress, where people are literally burning alive. The cluelessness because in this case. according to the firemen, he got the facts wrong.

Someone in his administration must have rapped his knuckles, because he later posted sentiments more befitting a president.

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:22 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 10 November 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

Governor Brown and the Tree Huggers ARE responsible for the poor forest management in this state.

And, during the Ovomit Atrocity, CA quietly turned over all of the local parks in this state to the federal government's purview so that you can no longer go into any of the parks without getting a permit or paying a fee.

Herr Brown was tired of paying for their upkeep when there were so many programs for illegals that he wanted to fund with the money instead...

Remember the enormous fire that struck in 2005 while Schwartzenegger was in office and it burned homes and forestland as well as killed people?

All of that growth that burned so fast and so hot SAT THERE BECAUSE THE EPA AND THE TREE HUGGERS ARGUED THAT IT WAS BAD TO THIN OUT THE TREES AND STEAL MUCH NEEDED HABITAT FOR THE ANIMALS.

Then, thanks to the lax and corrupt care taken at the Port of LA, we imported the Bark Beetle from Korea which ripped through the national forests in this area, which made all of that oh so necessary habitat for the animals DEAD and wonderful fodder for a fire bug to go out there and set fires, which is exactly what happened.

Ash fell from the sky like snow flurries at my house for a week and the stink of the smoke in the air was so prevalent that when it finally abated nobody knew what fresh air smelled like and had to readjust.

The reason fires burn SO HOT AND SO LONG in this state IS BECAUSE OF NON EXISTENT MANAGEMENT OF THE FORESTS imposed by the idiots running this state and their cronies.


As a native Californian, I can attest to growing up knowing the above is a fact-based assessment.

The Spotted Owl being the rage du jour when I was a kid. It was seriously a big thing back in that day. The Audubon Society was on the verge of losing it's collective mind over the all-but-extinct Spotted Owl, all because of controlled burns. There were eco nutters camping out in makeshift tree houses and on hunger strike in effort to prevent forestry controlled burns. All manner of pulling out the stops and turning one's self inside out over murdering the population of Spotted Owls, no example of which any one of them claimed to have ever seen in the wild. It must've worked since the species is currently listed as "near threatened", not extinct, not DoDo Bird status, it's "almost" threatened. Which, IMHO translates from Eco-terrorist speak as : yield to our demands, no matter the the absence of common sense.

In my experience, "almost" only counts when dealing with a game of horse shoes and the not game of hand grenades.

CA has many areas of hot, dry climate. The undergrowth poses a serious threat when allowed to continue unabated. Not "almost". Same goes for old and fallen wood. I assume, the logic in controlled management establishes itself, here.

On the heels of the Spotted Owl freak out, I think the YellowBellied Sap Sucker (which habitates in the Northeast and not CA), and then the desert toad came next. Nevermind that no one had ever heard of a Yellow Bellied Sap Sucker and if I'm not mistaken the desert toad was confused with the psychedelic-slime secreting variety and failed to gain much traction. Personally, anyone thinking/advocating the licking and sucking of any creature other than a human <ahem>..has no credibility to me, whatsoever. Again, common sense.

Point being, President Trump and Tinsel's post is Right. It's MANAGEMENT that's required. Application of common sense. And as we all know so very well, the farther out in the unabated weeds the Left gets, the more prolific the absence of common sense, rationale and logic.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:24 AM

Harvesting Trees Will Prevent Fires
H. Sterling Burnett

H. Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis.
July 11, 2012
New York Times
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While wildfires, per se, are entirely natural, the size, intensity and harm caused annually by the past decade’s forest fires are almost entirely of human origin: federal mismanagement of our national forests are to blame.

The U.S. Forest Service estimates that more than 190 million acres of public land are at risk of catastrophic fires, including 60 percent our national forests. Too many trees, too much brush, and bureaucratic regulations and lawsuits filed by environmental extremists are to blame. Timber harvests have plunged more than 75 percent from 12 billion board feet per year to less than 4 billion board feet per year. The result: historically large ponderosa pines which grew in stands of 20 to 55 trees per acre now grow (and burn) in densities of 300 to 900 trees per acre.

Increase and expedite logging, especially in forests where more timber is dead or dying than growing.

Twenty years ago, a wildfire exceeding 100,000 acres was deemed to be catastrophic. Today, such large-scale fires are the rule rather than the exception. For instance, in 1998 there were 81,043 wildfires, burning 1,329,704 acres; but in 2007, 85,705 fires burned 9,328,045 acres. In 2011, 74,126 fires left 8,711,367 acres in cinders – below 2007’s amount but still well above the average.

The fact is excessive fuel, and thus the fire hazard, can be reduced in three ways. First, is to use mechanical thinning of vegetation and logging. Second, is to use small “controlled” burns which, the Los Alamos fires of 2000 taught us, are inherently risky unless there has been some logging of the site before the fires are set. Failing to choose one of these options leaves only the “burn, baby, burn” result that we are currently witnessing.

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For pete's sake even VOX used to understand this.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 07:58 AM

View PostLadybird, on 11 November 2018 - 07:17 AM, said:

The callousness of criticism and talk of withholding funds in the face of an event still in progress, where people are literally burning alive. The cluelessness because in this case. according to the firemen, he got the facts wrong.

Someone in his administration must have rapped his knuckles, because he later posted sentiments more befitting a president.

But it is their fault--that's why these out if control fires have raged this year and firefighters have died. Florida has done better due dilligence and clear-cut and replanted areas. We did not have a bad fire season this year. The time to call for action is when the problem is visible. But ib Cali it's RESIST!
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:20 AM

View PostBig Dave, on 11 November 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

But it is their fault--that's why these out if control fires have raged this year and firefighters have died. Florida has done better due dilligence and clear-cut and replanted areas. We did not have a bad fire season this year. The time to call for action is when the problem is visible. But ib Cali it's RESIST!


I'll take your word for it that that's true, but Florida is also an awful lot wetter than California.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 08:38 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 10 November 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

Governor Brown and the Tree Huggers ARE responsible for the poor forest management in this state.

And, during the Ovomit Atrocity, CA quietly turned over all of the local parks in this state to the federal government's purview so that you can no longer go into any of the parks without getting a permit or paying a fee.

Herr Brown was tired of paying for their upkeep when there were so many programs for illegals that he wanted to fund with the money instead...

Remember the enormous fire that struck in 2005 while Schwartzenegger was in office and it burned homes and forestland as well as killed people?

All of that growth that burned so fast and so hot SAT THERE BECAUSE THE EPA AND THE TREE HUGGERS ARGUED THAT IT WAS BAD TO THIN OUT THE TREES AND STEAL MUCH NEEDED HABITAT FOR THE ANIMALS.

Then, thanks to the lax and corrupt care taken at the Port of LA, we imported the Bark Beetle from Korea which ripped through the national forests in this area, which made all of that oh so necessary habitat for the animals DEAD and wonderful fodder for a fire bug to go out there and set fires, which is exactly what happened.

Ash fell from the sky like snow flurries at my house for a week and the stink of the smoke in the air was so prevalent that when it finally abated nobody knew what fresh air smelled like and had to readjust.

The reason fires burn SO HOT AND SO LONG in this state IS BECAUSE OF NON EXISTENT MANAGEMENT OF THE FORESTS imposed by the idiots running this state and their cronies.


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View PostRock N, on 10 November 2018 - 08:21 PM, said:

Trump is 100% correct and the Cali firefighter spokes-people are progtards, so go figure?

Threatening to withold aid?

It's about frikkin' time that someone holds those responsible accountable, but the working class victims would be the losers. Screw the rich Hollyweird elites. They have insurance.


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Posted 11 November 2018 - 09:00 AM

View PostLadybird, on 11 November 2018 - 07:17 AM, said:

The callousness of criticism and talk of withholding funds in the face of an event still in progress, where people are literally burning alive. The cluelessness because in this case. according to the firemen, he got the facts wrong.

Someone in his administration must have rapped his knuckles, because he later posted sentiments more befitting a president.

I don't really care about the timing. Is anyone still surprised that Trump doesn't sugar coat things? I stand by my post.


"The president’s message attacking California and threatening to withhold aid to the victims of the cataclysmic fires is ill-informed, ill-timed and demeaning to those who are suffering as well as the men and women on the front lines,” Rice said in a statement.

"At this moment, thousands of our brother and sister firefighters are putting their lives on the line to protect the lives and property of thousands. Some of them are doing so even as their own homes lay in ruins. In my view, this shameful attack on California is an attack on all our courageous men and women on the front lines.”


The President did not attack California.

The President did not threaten to withhold aid to victims.

The President did not demean the men and women on the front lines.

The President is correct on why a lot of fires are larger and harder to contain these days.


The reasoning that management isn't responsible due to urban interface is ludicrous. One drive through an "urban interface" area like in San Diego county will dispel that excuse. Haven't been there in awhile, but the last time I was they were serious, at least talking serious, about starting to actively remove dead brush, trees, and other fuels from vacant/undeveloped land.
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 10:27 AM

As any progressive can tell you, the real cause of this tragedy is global warming/climate change...oh, and not enough gun control!
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Posted 11 November 2018 - 11:01 AM

View PostLadybird, on 11 November 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

I'll take your word for it that that's true, but Florida is also an awful lot wetter than California.


Is that because of all the Hurricanes that Pres Trump Sent there? :whistling:

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 11:03 AM

View PostBen Cranklin, on 11 November 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

As any progressive can tell you, the real cause of this tragedy is global warming/climate change...oh, and not enough gun control!

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 12:18 PM

View PostBen Cranklin, on 11 November 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

As any progressive can tell you, the real cause of this tragedy is global warming/climate change...oh, and not enough gun control!


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