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  Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:29 PM

Gorsuch Casts First Major Tie-Breaking Vote Allowing Arkansas Executions To Proceed

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Apr 21, 2017 9:02 AM

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In what will undoubtedly be a memorable first major tie-breaking vote as a Supreme Court Judge, Neil Gorsuch cast the deciding vote last night to allow Arkansas to begin executing a group of 8 death-row inmates. The decision came after attorneys for the State of Arkansas sought an expedited process to allow for the executions to proceed before their lethal-injection drugs expire at the end of April. Per Bloomberg:

In a series of orders Thursday night, the high court cleared the state to execute Ledell Lee, one of eight convicted murderers that Arkansas has been trying to put to death before one of its lethal-injection drugs expires at the end of the month. Associated Press later reported the execution had been carried out.

“Apparently the reason the state decided to proceed with these eight executions is that the ‘use by’ date of the state’s execution drug is about to expire," Breyer wrote. "That factor, when considered as a determining factor separating those who live from those who die, is close to random."

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan also voted to block the executions.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:04 PM

 Liz, on 21 April 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

Gorsuch Casts First Major Tie-Breaking Vote Allowing Arkansas Executions To Proceed

Zero Hedge
by Tyler Durden
Apr 21, 2017 9:02 AM

Excerpt:

In what will undoubtedly be a memorable first major tie-breaking vote as a Supreme Court Judge, Neil Gorsuch cast the deciding vote last night to allow Arkansas to begin executing a group of 8 death-row inmates. The decision came after attorneys for the State of Arkansas sought an expedited process to allow for the executions to proceed before their lethal-injection drugs expire at the end of April. Per Bloomberg:

In a series of orders Thursday night, the high court cleared the state to execute Ledell Lee, one of eight convicted murderers that Arkansas has been trying to put to death before one of its lethal-injection drugs expires at the end of the month. Associated Press later reported the execution had been carried out.

“Apparently the reason the state decided to proceed with these eight executions is that the ‘use by’ date of the state’s execution drug is about to expire," Breyer wrote. "That factor, when considered as a determining factor separating those who live from those who die, is close to random."

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan also voted to block the executions.

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Breyer's wording is disappointingly inaccurate for a sc justice.

The expiration date isn't arbitrarily used as a determining factor to separate those who'll live from those who'll die.

The expiration date is a determining factor in the timing of executions that would happen at some point anyway.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:22 PM

 That_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.

I thought you'd say Gorsuch is for late term abortion!
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:35 PM

Good decision Justice Gorsuch!
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:53 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.

Because executing someone for just cause and slaughtering a baby before they have literally done a single thing wrong is totally the same thing. And before you start, I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty either, but I can see a distinct difference between the two.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:01 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.


I am pro life, this man was convicted of taking the life of another and in return for that theft he was determined by a court of his peers to die. So the circle of life has been fulfilled. He had his shot at a good life, he instead chose to deny others their rights to theirs.

So have a nice weekend.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:09 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.


No. Gorsuch is already coming through for the State's Rights crowd.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:41 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.


LOL

You just can't help yourself, can you? You feel irresistibly compelled to jump on every opportunity to prove yourself incapable of logical thought.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand: Well done, Justice Gorsuch!

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:44 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.


Got that right! By allowing Arkansas to eliminate a known cause of death in their state, the danger to others in the prison has been reduced.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:48 PM

Now the State of Arkansas needs to step it up there's 7 more waiting in the wings
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:53 PM

Nice start. If the victim had been my daughter, I would want justice.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:05 PM

View Postzurg, on 21 April 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Breyer's wording is disappointingly inaccurate for a sc justice.

The expiration date isn't arbitrarily used as a determining factor to separate those who'll live from those who'll die.

The expiration date is a determining factor in the timing of executions that would happen at some point anyway.


I think that's what AL was worried about. Isn't this another of those cases where, once this batch 'expires', they simply won't have the (approved) drugs available to do lethal injections? Thus costing an additional $90K/year to keep each death-row warehoused.

From 2016: As another drug becomes unavailable, execution by lethal injection in Arizona remains uncertain

Even more grim, Feb 2017: Council of State Governments: Lethal Injection Drug Shortage:

"Texas has 317 inmates on death row, but only enough of a key lethal injection drug to execute two of them.
Ohio has just one dose of the drug left."


But, Never Fear. Being the problem-solving civic-minded person I am, I have a solution at hand. Just bring back Firing Squads. Won't cost any taxpayer money: I will draw out of the Smithee Arsenal and personally spot the states of FL and GA one bullet for every death row inmate. Heck, make it TWO, just to be sure. And just to be neighborly, I'll cover next-door AL as well.

If they need guns, I'll loan them some M1 Carbines. I want them back, though: just imagine what a rifle used in a death row execution could fetch on Ebay.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:16 PM

View PostLiz, on 21 April 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

“Apparently the reason the state decided to proceed with these eight executions is that the ‘use by’ date of the state’s execution drug is about to expire," Breyer wrote. "That factor, when considered as a determining factor separating those who live from those who die, is close to random."


And, well, someone's gotta say it, so *I* will:

Nevermind the drug. HAVE THEY considered that the prisoner himself, by virtue of the death sentence and the interminable appeals, is ALREADY well past HIS OWN expiration date???
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:05 PM

 That_Guy, on 21 April 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

Gorsuch is already coming through for the "pro-life" crowd.

Yup! Eat your heart out, troll!!
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Posted Yesterday, 01:43 PM

View PostModerator T, on 21 April 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

Because executing someone for just cause and slaughtering a baby before they have literally done a single thing wrong is totally the same thing. And before you start, I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty either, but I can see a distinct difference between the two.

If you look at how many criminals are in prison for a second (or even third) murder, I would say the death penalty is a big solution. However, I think the death penalty takes way too long and needs to be shortened so it has more of a deterrent effect.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:28 PM

View PostBookdoc, on 23 April 2017 - 01:43 PM, said:

If you look at how many criminals are in prison for a second (or even third) murder, I would say the death penalty is a big solution. However, I think the death penalty takes way too long and needs to be shortened so it has more of a deterrent effect.


The way I look at it, if you go to prison and are still killing, or if you've killed again after getting out, or if you've committed treason, its time to die. Beyond that the Catholic in me wants to hope for some sort of reformation even if I've rarely seen evidence of it. Plus, our justice system isn't perfect and the wrong person does sometimes get convicted, and you can't undo an execution. I don't however believe it is remotely successful as a deterrent, only as a means of punishment/protection of society.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:07 PM

View PostModerator T, on 23 April 2017 - 02:28 PM, said:

I don't however believe it is remotely successful as a deterrent, only as a means of punishment/protection of society.


I am living proof that it works as a deterrent. There are several people I would gladly kill (AND THEY DESERVE IT), if it weren't for the fact that I'm unwilling to sacrifice my own life to end theirs.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:22 PM

The problem with state-sanctioned killing is the lack of a margin for error.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:25 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 April 2017 - 03:22 PM, said:

The problem with state-sanctioned killing is the lack of a margin for error.


No margin for error in killing babies though. At least we have that.

One of the many reasons it's impossible to take you seriously.

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