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#21 User is offline   grimreefer 

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 05:56 AM

View Postzurg, on 08 October 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

But youíre not proposing an accurate census. If you were, you would have responded to NSís post about two reputable investigations by basically leftwing or left-leaning institutions. You would have said something like ďgood linksĒ. But you didnít. And the reason why you didnít? Because you obviously donít like the data from those studies.

So once again, youíre just lying through your non-existent teeth. You donít want an accurate survey, you want a survey that favors Soros and the rest of you extremists.

Gotta admit, though, the mental contortions required to assert that less info is more accurate is pretty impressive. Here's the physical equivalent:

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 07:42 AM

View PostJerryL, on 09 October 2018 - 02:55 AM, said:

"Accurate" like knowing if people are citizens of the US or not? Dude, you are absurd.

Youíre saying thatís the purpose of the US census?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:05 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 07:42 AM, said:

Youíre saying thatís the purpose of the US census?

Did I say that was the purpose?

In case you missed it, I was responding to someone who says that the "census ought to collect as accurate data as possible" by not asking questions.

Did you miss that?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:19 AM

View PostJerryL, on 09 October 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

Did I say that was the purpose?

In case you missed it, I was responding to someone who says that the "census ought to collect as accurate data as possible" by not asking questions.

Did you miss that?

Ok.

How accurate will it be if it doesnít include residents who are fearful of filling out the form?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:22 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

Ok.

How accurate will it be if it doesnít include residents who are fearful of filling out the form?


If they're here legally, why would they be fearful of filling out the form??

And if they're here illegally they shouldn't be counted anyway.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:30 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

Ok.

How accurate will it be if it doesn’t include residents who are fearful of filling out the form?

Monty beat me to it.

If they are not here legally, they should leave or be deported...they should NOT be counted in the US census.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 09 October 2018 - 08:22 AM, said:

If they're here legally, why would they be fearful of filling out the form??

And if they're here illegally they shouldn't be counted anyway.

B)

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them. The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:39 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.


Why are legal residents being targeted?


View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them.


Why are they in our schools?


View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.


Only citizens should be counted, if the purpose is to allocate resources or set any sorts of legal standards or voting districts or anything else.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:42 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them. The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.

Targeted? Wow, what a loaded word. It's a damn question. Representatives are apportioned according to the number of persons represented. Aliens, both legal and illegal, are not entitled to representation for the reason that they are not CITIZENS.

Gawd, you libs are dense as depleted uranium.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:49 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them. The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.

You should quit while you're behind...You're getting your a$$ handed to you by white men

SHAME....SHAME...SHAME
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:50 AM

View PostLadybird, on 08 October 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

If it causes Texas to lose seats, all the better.


Some Christian you are. :thumbsdown:

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them. The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:51 AM

View PostRock N, on 08 October 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Your side will be losing lots more seats in the future. More illegal voters deported, more elections lost due to the losses of the usual toxic hateful democrap candidates that the public are finally sick and tired of.

The 2020 census will also be conducted under Trump this time so it will be much more honest and legit.

Think about that.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 09:09 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.

If the children of illegals are in our schools and using healthcare services, we should know about them. The purpose of the census isnít to count citizens, but to count people.


Targeted? Wow.

What about the purpose of apportioning representation? Do YOU think they should be counted in that?
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 11:32 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 October 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

Residents with legal status are being targeted as well as illegals.


Targeted for what? Deportation? With a legal status?

If their legal status is not the permanent type then they should respect our laws when their status either expires or is canceled. There are good reasons why we try to manage the population within our borders. Those who provide illegal sanctuary simply because they feel sorry for illegal immigrants are not looking at what's best for our nation. These bleeding hearts want to give away the fruits of our labor every time they see someone they feel sorry for. There are serious consequences to opening our borders to every unskilled third-world would-be immigrant. The United States is less than 5% of the world population. We are over $20 trillion in debt and have an annual budget deficit of over $500 billion. Everybody is up to their eyeballs in mortgage, credit card, and auto loan debt. We simply can't afford to support the hoards of poor around the globe.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 01:08 PM

View Postzurg, on 08 October 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

But youíre not proposing an accurate census. If you were, you would have responded to NSís post about two reputable investigations by basically leftwing or left-leaning institutions.


Horsecrap. Someone in Ivy league publishing a study indicates ZERO about about their bias.


Study you mention claims that there are MORE illegals then standard estimate shows. There are refutations of their methology, but without getting into the weeds here and assuming study as flawless, it does not refute ANYTHING said about the effects of adding citizenship question to the Census.

Study claims that illegals ALREADY take the survey at lower rate than general population and thats why official number is too low. Not only citizenship question will not fix that, it will do the OPPOSITE, by causing even fewer illegals to participate.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 01:16 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 09 October 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Horsecrap. Someone in Ivy league publishing a study indicates ZERO about about their bias.


Study you mention claims that there are MORE illegals then standard estimate shows. There are refutations of their methology, but without getting into the weeds here and assuming study as flawless, it does not refute ANYTHING said about the effects of adding citizenship question to the Census.

Study claims that illegals ALREADY take the survey at lower rate than general population and thats why official number is too low. Not only citizenship question will not fix that, it will do the OPPOSITE, by causing even fewer illegals to participate.


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Posted 09 October 2018 - 01:26 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 07 October 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Deceit is not good for American people.

I agree completely. The deceitful illegal aliens need to leave, be jailed or be deported. And the deceitful officials who use their office to support and allow illegal aliens to not get deported need to be jailed. And the deceitful democrat party should admit the truth that they don't care about the people themselves and that the real reason they want illegal aliens to be granted citizenship is for another exploitable voting block.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:05 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 09 October 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

Horsecrap. Someone in Ivy league publishing a study indicates ZERO about about their bias.


Study you mention claims that there are MORE illegals then standard estimate shows. There are refutations of their methology, but without getting into the weeds here and assuming study as flawless, it does not refute ANYTHING said about the effects of adding citizenship question to the Census.

Study claims that illegals ALREADY take the survey at lower rate than general population and thats why official number is too low. Not only citizenship question will not fix that, it will do the OPPOSITE, by causing even fewer illegals to participate.

There you go again, admitting that you donít want to count the number of illegals in the country accurately. Itís entirely obvious.

A person who would like an accurate count of BOTH legal and illegal people (residence status wise) would support doing MANY studies and using them intelligently to come up with the best possible estimates.
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Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:28 PM

View Postzurg, on 09 October 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

There you go again, admitting that you donít want to count the number of illegals in the country accurately. Itís entirely obvious.

A person who would like an accurate count of BOTH legal and illegal people (residence status wise) would support doing MANY studies and using them intelligently to come up with the best possible estimates.


Shame on you, Zurg. You know better than to use terms like "accurately" and "intelligently" in posts directed to Anton.

For future reference: Also avoid terms like "honest" and "integrity" and "reasonable" and "objective" and so forth. I'm pretty sure they'll "trigger" him.

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Posted 09 October 2018 - 02:41 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 09 October 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

For future reference: Also avoid terms like "honest" and "integrity" and "reasonable" and "objective" and so forth. I'm pretty sure they'll "trigger" him.




So will this.
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