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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:38 AM

VTB Bank was under US sanctions because of its support for the invasion and occupation of Ukraine:

"Treasury today imposed measures prohibiting U.S. persons and persons within the United States from transacting in, providing financing for, or otherwise dealing in new debt of longer than 90 days maturity or new equity for Bank of Moscow, Russian Agricultural Bank, and VTB Bank OAO, their property, or their interests in property." July 29, 2014
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:39 AM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:




The source posted by Buzzfeed's "science" reporter.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:48 AM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:


Is it surprising that you do not understand the difference between source and data storage? No, no it is not.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:49 AM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

VTB Bank was under US sanctions because of its support for the invasion and occupation of Ukraine:

"Treasury today imposed measures prohibiting U.S. persons and persons within the United States from transacting in, providing financing for, or otherwise dealing in new debt of longer than 90 days maturity or new equity for Bank of Moscow, Russian Agricultural Bank, and VTB Bank OAO, their property, or their interests in property." July 29, 2014


On what page of the document is this violation alleged to have occurred?
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:00 PM

Jason Leopold? Really? Buzzfeed has as much credibility as the Weekly World News.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:06 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

If you actually take the time to read the accompanying 284-page document, I promise you won't be bored...

<emphasis mine>
LOL. 264 pages of pictures of buildings, letters of "it was a pleasure speaking with you ....", promotional pamphlets, etc.

Any other promises you wish to make?

Anything in that document regurgitation that is relevant? Please point to a page number. Anything other than saying, "Oh you can't have an opinion until you've studied the whole thing exhaustively in its entirety."
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:09 PM

:yawn:

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 Tea Party Hooligan, on 07 February 2019 - 12:00 PM, said:

Jason Leopold? Really? Buzzfeed has as much credibility as the Weekly World News.


Remember the o_p we are dealing with...not the sharpest "tool" in the shed.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:12 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

I hesitate to characterize before you've had a chance to read the source material.


He's back....and with more of the same tired leftist bull<censored>.

 erp, on 07 February 2019 - 11:48 AM, said:

Is it surprising that you do not understand the difference between source and data storage? No, no it is not.


:exactly:

Even a mentally retarded person is better.

This post has been edited by RedSoloCup: 07 February 2019 - 12:11 PM

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:16 PM

Poor T_G, the guy loves carrots more than even Bugs Bunny does. Grasping at straws ought to be an Olympic sporting event, we've got the potential gold medalist posting right here in R/N....

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:18 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 11:22 AM, said:

What did you see?

Stars...
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:18 PM

 RedSoloCup, on 07 February 2019 - 12:12 PM, said:

He's back....and with more of the same tired leftist bull<censored>.



:exactly:

Even a mentally retarded person is better.



If he sticks to the usual leftist debating "tactics" in a few hours he will be posting some article that references the Buzzfeed article or data store as a separate source.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:30 PM

 Noclevermoniker, on 07 February 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

Stars...


http://i.postimg.cc/nhR5GBpL/2001-monolith.png
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:31 PM

 Tikk, on 07 February 2019 - 12:06 PM, said:

Please point to a page number.


Since you asked politely, I'll help you out...

Take a look at pages 187, 200, 202, 206-209, 228, 229-238, 241, 246, and 251.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:46 PM

 Joe the Pagan, on 07 February 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

If he sticks to the usual leftist debating "tactics" in a few hours he will be posting some article that references the Buzzfeed article or data store as a separate source.

I have a new nickname for him: Hamilton_Burger - spend his career having his a$$ handed to him on supposed legal matters.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:46 PM

 NH Populist, on 07 February 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

Poor T_G, the guy loves carrots more than even Bugs Bunny does. Grasping at straws ought to be an Olympic sporting event, we've got the potential gold medalist posting right here in R/N....

So much so, that he posted this story twice. Probably premature POSTtulation.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:51 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 10:55 AM, said:

I wonder if it might be possible to ignore the original poster and/or the source and discuss the actual information presented -- just this once.

(it's from DocumentCloud)



Everything posted, the so called smoking gun documents I could make within about five minutes.
Plus, AGAIN, Buzz Feed has already lied through there teeth once. And of coarse countless people bought into it because there Trump hatred is greater then their desire for truth.

Oki
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:12 PM

 Noclevermoniker, on 07 February 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:

I have a new nickname for him: Hamilton_Burger - spend his career having his a$$ handed to him on supposed legal matters.


Perfect! (As a big Perry Mason fan I got the reference immediately.)

:lol:
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:17 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

Since you asked politely, I'll help you out...

Take a look at pages 187, 200, 202, 206-209, 228, 229-238, 241, 246, and 251.


:rofl:

You make ridiculous claims about laws Trump has violated and you expect us to search through a haystack to prove you right?

I don't think you understand how this works.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:18 PM

 oki, on 07 February 2019 - 12:51 PM, said:

Everything posted, the so called smoking gun documents I could make within about five minutes.
Plus, AGAIN, Buzz Feed has already lied through there teeth once. And of coarse countless people bought into it because there Trump hatred is greater then their desire for truth.

Oki


You have no thoughts on what Michael Cohen and Felix Sater were doing on behalf of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin?
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:26 PM

 That_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 12:31 PM, said:

Since you asked politely, I'll help you out...Take a look at pages 187, 200, 202, 206-209, 228, 229-238, 241, 246, and 251.


187: signature page
200: confidentiality agreement
202: I (Cohen) arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair and desk in his Kremlin office. I want Putin to join Trump for ribbon cutting on Trump Moscow.
206: Putin calls Trump talented and colorful.
230: They cancel the Letter of Intent. (Deal is apparently off.)
251: Andrew Rybashinsky (Russian property developer) invites Cohen to a meeting to discuss Trump Tower Moscow project.

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They seem to be arguing about a big hotel in Moscow which never got built because they never could agree on the terms. Cohen later pled guilty to lying to Congress about the hotel project. But, while lying to Congress while under oath is a crime, arguing with the Russians about building a hotel is not, especially since the deal fell through.

That Fool, you promised me a smoking gun and all you delivered was a wet rag.



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