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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:28 PM

If these files are "secret", how are they released for public consumption?

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:30 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

You have no thoughts on what Michael Cohen and Felix Sater were doing on behalf of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin?

Rest assured that if trump did something illegal, he will be judged by the same sound standards of the justice system that procecuted Hillary Clinton.

You have nothing to be concerned about. I’m sure they’ll get him for you.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:32 PM

View Poststick, on 07 February 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

If these files are "secret", how are they released for public consumption?

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Calling them "secret files" gets a lot of clicks from gullible progressives like TG.

In the world of internet advertising, clicks equals cash for each ad view.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:33 PM

LOLOLOLOL

Keep throwing that stuff against the wall T_G. Maybe someday something will stick.

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:42 PM

View PostMartin, on 07 February 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

187: signature page
200: confidentiality agreement
202: I (Cohen) arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair and desk in his Kremlin office. I want Putin to join Trump for ribbon cutting on Trump Moscow.
206: Putin calls Trump talented and colorful.
230: They cancel the Letter of Intent. (Deal is apparently off.)
251: Andrew Rybashinsky (Russian property developer) invites Cohen to a meeting to discuss Trump Tower Moscow project.

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They seem to be arguing about a big hotel in Moscow which never got built because they never could agree on the terms. Cohen later pled guilty to lying to Congress about the hotel project. But, while lying to Congress while under oath is a crime, arguing with the Russians about building a hotel is not, especially since the deal fell through.

That Fool, you promised me a smoking gun and all you delivered was a wet rag.


Thanks for actually peeking into TG's rabbit hole and exposing his BS. You called his bluff. Wonder what he'll come up with next? :lol:
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:43 PM

View PostNoclevermoniker, on 07 February 2019 - 12:46 PM, said:

I have a new nickname for him: Hamilton_Burger - spend his career having his a$$ handed to him on supposed legal matters.


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View PostMartin, on 07 February 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

187: signature page
200: confidentiality agreement
202: I (Cohen) arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair and desk in his Kremlin office. I want Putin to join Trump for ribbon cutting on Trump Moscow.
206: Putin calls Trump talented and colorful.
230: They cancel the Letter of Intent. (Deal is apparently off.)
251: Andrew Rybashinsky (Russian property developer) invites Cohen to a meeting to discuss Trump Tower Moscow project.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They seem to be arguing about a big hotel in Moscow which never got built because they never could agree on the terms. Cohen later pled guilty to lying to Congress about the hotel project. But, while lying to Congress while under oath is a crime, arguing with the Russians about building a hotel is not, especially since the deal fell through.

That Fool, you promised me a smoking gun and all you delivered was a wet rag.


Snap!
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:44 PM

View PostNH Populist, on 07 February 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

Poor T_G, the guy loves carrots more than even Bugs Bunny does. Grasping at straws ought to be an Olympic sporting event, we've got the potential gold medalist posting right here in R/N....


In the "Special Olympics".

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 01:45 PM

View Posterp, on 07 February 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Given both of your track records, no, it is not.

Both you and Buzzfeed are blatantly dishonest.

That_Guy, Buzzfeed, and Michael Cohen. It's a threefer! :lol:
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:03 PM

View PostMartin, on 07 February 2019 - 01:26 PM, said:

187: signature page


"I have no dealings." -- DJT 1/11/17


Why do you suppose he lied about his "dealings" in Russia?

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200: confidentiality agreement


The Trump Organization acknowledging its intent to be party to a deal funded by VTB Bank, sanctioned since 2014 for support of the invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

Do you think the Trump Organization knew or should have known VTB Bank was under sanction?

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202: I (Cohen) arranged for Ivanka to sit in Putin's private chair and desk in his Kremlin office. I want Putin to join Trump for ribbon cutting on Trump Moscow.


Sater explicitly tying Trump Moscow to Putin, US foreign policy, and the 2016 presidential election.

Do you think it's possible that DJT wasn't kept informed of what Cohen and Sater were doing?

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206: Putin calls Trump talented and colorful.


The Trump Organization reaches out to Sater to inform him of a potential opportunity for Putin to identify DJT as "someone who knows how to deal."

Did you see the part about "Business, politics, whatever it all is the same" on page 202?

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230: They cancel the Letter of Intent. (Deal is apparently off.)


231: Cohen indicates that he refuses to be embarrassed "in front of Mr. T when he asks me what is happening."

Do you think it's possible DJT wasn't kept in the loop about all this?

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251: Andrew Rybashinsky (Russian property developer) invites Cohen to a meeting to discuss Trump Tower Moscow project.


238: On December 31, Sater says their meeting will be attended by the Chairman of VTB Bank and Putin's Press Secretary.
242: On January 21, Sater texts Cohen to say Putin's office called.
246: On January 22, Michael Cohen e-mails Felix Sater proposed invitation language.
250: On January 25, Sater sends Cohen an invitation with language matching what Cohen proposed.

Do you think there is any chance Michael Cohen didn't know VTB was under sanction at the time he arranged to meet with the bank's Chairman?

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:07 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 07 February 2019 - 01:42 PM, said:

Thanks for actually peeking into TG's rabbit hole and exposing his BS. You called his bluff. Wonder what he'll come up with next?


http://thenakedonionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/joe_friday.jpg
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:09 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

If you actually take the time to read the accompanying 284-page document, I promise you won't be bored...


Why do you assume I haven't?
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:14 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

"I have no dealings." -- DJT 1/11/17


Why do you suppose he lied about his "dealings" in Russia?



The Trump Organization acknowledging its intent to be party to a deal funded by VTB Bank, sanctioned since 2014 for support of the invasion and occupation of Ukraine.

Do you think the Trump Organization knew or should have known VTB Bank was under sanction?



Sater explicitly tying Trump Moscow to Putin, US foreign policy, and the 2016 presidential election.

Do you think it's possible that DJT wasn't kept informed of what Cohen and Sater were doing?



The Trump Organization reaches out to Sater to inform him of a potential opportunity for Putin to identify DJT as "someone who knows how to deal."

Did you see the part about "Business, politics, whatever it all is the same" on page 202?



231: Cohen indicates that he refuses to be embarrassed "in front of Mr. T when he asks me what is happening."

Do you think it's possible DJT wasn't kept in the loop about all this?



238: On December 31, Sater says their meeting will be attended by the Chairman of VTB Bank and Putin's Press Secretary.
242: On January 21, Sater texts Cohen to say Putin's office called.
246: On January 22, Michael Cohen e-mails Felix Sater proposed invitation language.
250: On January 25, Sater sends Cohen an invitation with language matching what Cohen proposed.

Do you think there is any chance Michael Cohen didn't know VTB was under sanction at the time he arranged to meet with the bank's Chairman?

The fact that you are surprised trump is a liar continuously entertains me. 🙂
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:25 PM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 07 February 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

The fact that you are surprised trump is a liar continuously entertains me. ��


View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 10:55 AM, said:

I wonder if it might be possible to ignore the original poster and/or the source and discuss the actual information presented -- just this once.


also...

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

You have no thoughts on what Michael Cohen and Felix Sater were doing on behalf of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin?

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:38 PM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 07 February 2019 - 02:14 PM, said:

The fact that you are surprised trump is a liar continuously entertains me. 🙂


Didn't you forget? ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!1111!!!
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:45 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 02:07 PM, said:

http://thenakedonionblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/joe_friday.jpg

Webb's Friday never said that phrase.

But at least you're consistent.

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:50 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

also...

And...

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 02:53 PM

*sigh*

OK, even if we pretend BuzzFeed & T_G have some sort of "credibility" and therefore accept all this stuff as accurate, and apparently sleazy and/or dishonest and/or whatever, I'm still waiting to see the illegal part.

Can you put it in your own words, T_G? Not a link to somebody else, not a quote from somebody else, not a direction to a page number, etc etc etc. Can you explain in your own words exactly where & when & how any laws were broken?

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:03 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 07 February 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

Can you explain in your own words exactly where & when & how any laws were broken?


You mean other than being party to a deal that involves and is being funded by a sanctioned foreign bank?
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:04 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 07 February 2019 - 11:12 AM, said:

I read those pages and didn't see anything of significance. Obviously, your mind is easily blown.


He's still using BuzzFeed as his smoking gun news source.

He's also easily 'duped'.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:10 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 February 2019 - 03:03 PM, said:

You mean other than being party to a deal that involves and is being funded by a sanctioned foreign bank?


What deal? You mean the one that never happened, concerning a building that was never built?

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