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Posted 19 November 2019 - 02:33 PM

Young America's Foundation Excommunicates Michelle Malkin for Defending Nick Fuentes

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Young America's Foundation (YAF) has removed Michelle Malkin, a right-wing writer and pundit, from its roster of featured speakers. Malkin, the author of a number of books—including, most recently, Open Borders Inc: Who's Funding America's Destruction?—has toured campuses as part of YAF's speakers bureau for 17 years.

The firing comes as a result of Malkin's vocal support for 22-year-old far-right provocateur Nick Fuentes and his allies, the groypers (yes, that's what they call themselves).

"YAF gives a platform to a broad range of speakers with a range of views within the mainstream of conservative thought," wrote YAF. "Immigration is a vital issue that deserves robust debate. But there is no room in mainstream conservatism or at YAF for holocaust deniers, white nationalists, street brawlers, or racists."

Fuentes, a former fellow traveler of alt-right leader Richard Spencer, has a long history of racist and anti-Semitic comments. While he has attempted to distance himself from the alt-right—he characterizes his views as nationalist rather than racialist—it's clear that what he means by "America First" is white nationalism. Indeed, he called conservative writer Matt Walsh a race traitor for inveighing against the El Paso shooter, and he has opined that Jim Crow was no big deal.

Needless to say, the intellectual leaders of the campus conservative movement should be working to expel the groypers. But Malkin has come to their defense, recently describing Fuentes favorably as "one of the New Right leaders" and deriding his critics as "cringe." After YAF tweeted the above statement condemning racists and Holocaust deniers, Malkin fired back that the "keepers of the gate" were trying to silence her for defending "unjustly prosecuted Proud Boys, patriotic young nationalists/groypers & demographic truth-tellers."

YAF then fired Malkin. (She did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:05 PM

SO let me get this straight.

Malkin who is very clearly Asian and has never tried to hide her Filipino (or is it Fillapana?) heritage is a racist. Due to the face she has shown support to a guy named Fuentes, a very much Hispanic Surname. BECAUSE, know get this America First is racist... I got it know. Last I checked America refers to all those who believe in what this nation stands for, what it has fought for, and what people of all races, colors and beliefs died for! I get it know.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:33 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

SO let me get this straight.

Malkin who is very clearly Asian and has never tried to hide her Filipino (or is it Fillapana?) heritage is a racist. Due to the face she has shown support to a guy named Fuentes, a very much Hispanic Surname. BECAUSE, know get this America First is racist... I got it know. Last I checked America refers to all those who believe in what this nation stands for, what it has fought for, and what people of all races, colors and beliefs died for! I get it know.


So...only white people can be racists?
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:37 PM

View PostLadybird, on 19 November 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So...only white people can be racists?

According to progs, yes.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 03:59 PM

View PostLadybird, on 19 November 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So...only white people can be racists?

according to The Left/Media, yes
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:01 PM

View PostBuckwheat Jones, on 19 November 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

According to progs, yes.

The Young Americas Foundation are not ‘progs’.

Edit for name..

This post has been edited by Ladybird: 19 November 2019 - 04:05 PM

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:22 PM

View PostLadybird, on 19 November 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

The Young Americas Foundation are not ‘progs’.

Edit for name..

Well according to progs, racism is only racism if it has been historically manifested in an oppressive power structure...like slavery. This new definition can only condemn whites while excusing blacks even when both groups exhibit the same behavior. When confronted with this some_blacks politely excuse their own racism by relabeling it “bias.”
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:43 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

SO let me get this straight.

Malkin who is very clearly Asian and has never tried to hide her Filipino (or is it Fillapana?) heritage is a racist. Due to the face she has shown support to a guy named Fuentes, a very much Hispanic Surname. BECAUSE, know get this America First is racist... I got it know. Last I checked America refers to all those who believe in what this nation stands for, what it has fought for, and what people of all races, colors and beliefs died for! I get it know.


Fuentes is a white dude who believes Hitler only killed a couple hundred Jews and is a big fan of USS Liberty conspiracy theories. He's also pretty disappointed Jim Crow laws haven't been brought back. His followers crashed a book event for Don Jr recently and shouted him down while others did the same at an event Rep. Dan Crewnshaw held. You can Google for more info, although most is from left wing news sources. Most sources have links to his Youtube videos and verified Twitter post though so you can decide for yourself whether he's a normal conservative or if he's an alt-right white supremacist.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 04:46 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 03:05 PM, said:

SO let me get this straight.Malkin who is very clearly Asian and has never tried to hide her Filipino (or is it Fillapana?) heritage is a racist. Due to the face she has shown support to a guy named Fuentes, a very much Hispanic Surname. BECAUSE, know get this America First is racist... I got it know. Last I checked America refers to all those who believe in what this nation stands for, what it has fought for, and what people of all races, colors and beliefs died for! I get it know.


Is Fuentes a good guy simply because he's hispanic??? I've checked him out and I'm not real impressed with him.
And I have read and agree with much of what Malkin has said or written. But I wouldn't support the guy.

View PostLadybird, on 19 November 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So...only white people can be racists?

And I thought this exact same thing after reading oki's comment.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:02 PM

View PostLadybird, on 19 November 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So...only white people can be racists?



First of America first is a racist term. Really? Malkin is not a racist by any stretch, she is just not afraid to call others out or talk about things that don't fit a popular narrative. Fuentes is Hispanic, do tell what racist group would accept them other than one that hates everyone else but there group. This author is trying to link them in or connect then to White Supremacist hate groups. Which of coarse they wouldn't be accepted into because of their background in the first place.

Also, no mention of Malkin's comments or Fuentes either.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:05 PM

View PostWag-a-Muffin (D), on 19 November 2019 - 04:46 PM, said:

Is Fuentes a good guy simply because he's hispanic??? I've checked him out and I'm not real impressed with him.
And I have read and agree with much of what Malkin has said or written. But I wouldn't support the guy.

And I thought this exact same thing after reading oki's comment.



Fuentes may very well be a piece of crap and Malkin wrong for supporting him, but at the same time it doesn't necessarily mean Malkin is a racist.
And, that's what this whole article is trying to do, label her a racist. She has drawn heat in the past for other things. IE explaining why the U.S. interned Japanese Americans during WWII. She took a lot of crap for it because people didn't want to put themselves into the same position the U.S. gov was or see things for what they where at the time, not in a hi insight is 20/20 manner. Terrible thing, God awful wrong, but again THAT came out later.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 05:33 PM

View PostModerator T, on 19 November 2019 - 04:43 PM, said:

Fuentes is a white dude who believes Hitler only killed a couple hundred Jews and is a big fan of USS Liberty conspiracy theories. He's also pretty disappointed Jim Crow laws haven't been brought back. His followers crashed a book event for Don Jr recently and shouted him down while others did the same at an event Rep. Dan Crewnshaw held. You can Google for more info, although most is from left wing news sources. Most sources have links to his Youtube videos and verified Twitter post though so you can decide for yourself whether he's a normal conservative or if he's an alt-right white supremacist.


Guy may very well be a P.O.S., just saying that with a name like Fuentes he would never in a million years be accepted into a White Power/White Supremacy group.
Malkin has never been afraid of controversy and has been wrongly criticized in the past for talking on something controversial or when it didn't fit a narrative.
Her support or explanation of the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is a prime example. What people didn't want to understand is she went in depth in explaining the reasoning of the U.S. Gov at the time. Awful decision, but in looking at conditions at the time and what we knew, what we believed etc a argument can be made for it. She was labeled a racist for this.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 06:41 PM

The author tosses the terms “far right” and “right wing” rather freely, doesn’t she?
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 07:38 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Guy may very well be a P.O.S., just saying that with a name like Fuentes he would never in a million years be accepted into a White Power/White Supremacy group.

And yet it is.

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Malkin has never been afraid of controversy and has been wrongly criticized in the past for talking on something controversial or when it didn't fit a narrative.
Her support or explanation of the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is a prime example. What people didn't want to understand is she went in depth in explaining the reasoning of the U.S. Gov at the time. Awful decision, but in looking at conditions at the time and what we knew, what we believed etc a argument can be made for it. She was labeled a racist for this.

I don't know her connections to Fuentes and his groups. Maybe she's not connected to him or maybe she has a good reason to be tied up with an outright bigot. I'm not saying she's a problem, but he definitely is.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:17 PM

View PostModerator T, on 19 November 2019 - 07:38 PM, said:

And yet it is.


I don't know her connections to Fuentes and his groups. Maybe she's not connected to him or maybe she has a good reason to be tied up with an outright bigot. I'm not saying she's a problem, but he definitely is.



A huge problem is that when you have a proverbial target on your back and their people or groups who want nothing more than to bring you down, the moment you agree with one or two things of someone who may very well be a P.O.S. then it magically means you agree with or support them
I had an Uncle who for damn near all his life was quite racist. Thankfully in his last few years he had mellowed on it some and I believe he was coming around a bit, but none the less there where various things he was right on. Not necessarily race related but other bits here and there. Does that mean I am or was racist?
Hell, we can look at some of the most vile pieces of filth to ever walk this planet and there where certain things they where right about, or at least had a point.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:22 PM

Now Daisy Fuentes on the other hand... :eyebrows:
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 09:43 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 09:17 PM, said:

A huge problem is that when you have a proverbial target on your back and their people or groups who want nothing more than to bring you down, the moment you agree with one or two things of someone who may very well be a P.O.S. then it magically means you agree with or support them
I had an Uncle who for damn near all his life was quite racist. Thankfully in his last few years he had mellowed on it some and I believe he was coming around a bit, but none the less there where various things he was right on. Not necessarily race related but other bits here and there. Does that mean I am or was racist?
Hell, we can look at some of the most vile pieces of filth to ever walk this planet and there where certain things they where right about, or at least had a point.

Your relationship with your uncle is a bit different than making a business relationship with an active white supremacist in his 20's who is very vocal on social media. Hating blacks, Jews, Muslims, and protecting whites from "genocide" is his business model. Look him up on Youtube and watch some of his podcasts. We're not talking about pinning some six year old tweet of his on her. Who and what he is isn't a secret. Its something he's proud of. I'm not really sure what's gained from focusing on the good points/truth of someone like him.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 10:39 PM

View PostModerator T, on 19 November 2019 - 09:43 PM, said:

Your relationship with your uncle is a bit different than making a business relationship with an active white supremacist in his 20's who is very vocal on social media. Hating blacks, Jews, Muslims, and protecting whites from "genocide" is his business model. Look him up on Youtube and watch some of his podcasts. We're not talking about pinning some six year old tweet of his on her. Who and what he is isn't a secret. Its something he's proud of. I'm not really sure what's gained from focusing on the good points/truth of someone like him.


There where a few things I agreed with my uncle, in the eyes of more than a few that is enough to make me a racist just as he was. Plus, I can guarantee you I have done some form of business over the years with other racists. IE fixed a few cars, other odds and ends as well. It's one hell of a slippery slope.
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Posted 19 November 2019 - 11:53 PM

View Postoki, on 19 November 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

There where a few things I agreed with my uncle, in the eyes of more than a few that is enough to make me a racist just as he was. Plus, I can guarantee you I have done some form of business over the years with other racists. IE fixed a few cars, other odds and ends as well. It's one hell of a slippery slope.

I don't see this slippery slope. There's a difference between your mechanic's privately held beliefs and a man who's only relevant due to his very public, very loud antisemitism and racism.
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Posted 20 November 2019 - 08:57 AM

View PostModerator T, on 19 November 2019 - 11:53 PM, said:

I don't see this slippery slope. There's a difference between your mechanic's privately held beliefs and a man who's only relevant due to his very public, very loud antisemitism and racism.


Both my Uncle and a couple people whose vehicles I fixed where extremely vocal about their beliefs. They made no secret of it. Well, I take that back somewhat, as I was in the Army when I was fixing cars they largely kept it to themselves. BUT, some where in positions of limited authority. In this case the S.O.B. is like you said only relevant due to social media. Although it does look like Malkin was wrong for doing business or supporting him, that doesn't however make her a racist or connect her to White Supremacist groups like the article and author are trying to do. Neither would be welcome in any White Power group. And, that's the problem, the moment someone says something, supports something or has any type of inkling others don't like they are racist in the eyes of the left.
In part because these clowns often have no logical arguments they can stand on and in part because many don't want this label so they fold. Malkin doesn't fold, she fights.
If knowing, or in even the smallest fashion supporting a racist makes you one, then I guess I am one in the eyes of some due to my Uncle and due to people I did at least some business with.
Funny thing though, when my the G.F. had come to the U.S. for the first time(not the same day but a few days later) my knucklehead Uncle had stopped by. His jaw about hit the floor when he saw her. Lord I wish had a camera, it was priceless. Also, this was not a brother to either of my parents.
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