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#1 User is offline   grimreefer 

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 12:34 PM

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Migrant caravan considering whether to stay in Mexico or risk danger, deportation heading north to US

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Greg Norman
November 7, 2018

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The leading migrant caravan pushing its way to the U.S. border appears to be at a crossroads Wednesday, as members weigh offers to stay in Mexico or continue their journey northward -- which in recent days has included perilous rides on the sides of trucks barreling down highways.

The 4,500 Central American migrants in Mexico City have been hunkering down since Monday at the Jesus Martinez stadium, a temporary respite and relatively safe environ where volunteers, city employees and other officials have been dishing out aid in the form of clothing, food donations and legal advice. But soon they'll be back on the road.

“Any kind of accident can happen to you,” Nora, a 35-year-old mother who fled Honduras with her husband and 2-year-old daughter, told the Washington Post earlier this week. She described riding 116 miles to the city of Puebla in a double-decker truck meant for hauling vehicles. “Either I take the risk, or I stay poor.”

Puebla was one of many stops for the caravan on the way to Mexico City, and those onboard the same double-decker truck as Nora reported being jolted violently every time the vehicle hit a bump in the road.
U.S.-bound Central American migrants riding on a truck that left Cordoba, Mexico, on Monday.

U.S.-bound Central American migrants riding on a truck that left Cordoba, Mexico, on Monday. (AP)

Other migrants, the Post says, have been left gasping for air inside sweltering box trucks. One 25-year-old man died in late October after falling off a truck in the Mexican state of Chiapas.

“It’s bad. I’m really worried,” Kenia Hernandez, a 26-year-old single mother from Honduras, told the Washington Post. “On this road, you do what you have to do.”

Mexico has been denying requests by the migrants to send organized buses to ferry the caravan to the U.S. border. Instead, Mexico has offered work visas or the granting of status as a refugee or asylum seeker.

The government says 2,697 temporary visas so far had been issued to individuals and families to cover them while they waited for the 45-day application process for a more permanent status.

Rina Valenzuela, who is from El Salvador, was one of the migrants in Mexico City listening attentively Tuesday to aid workers from the nonprofit Institute for Women in Migration as they explained the difficulties of applying for and securing asylum in the U.S. The Associated Press reported she ended up deciding she'd be better off applying for refugee status in Mexico.

"Why go fight there, with as much effort and as much suffering as we have gone through, just for them to turn me back? Well, no," Valenzuela said.

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Looks like they might be getting the message?
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:01 PM

View Postgrimreefer, on 07 November 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

Looks like they might be getting the message?

Hopefully that is true. One of the problems with Republicans or conservatives is we get roped into using their language. Why do we still use the word caravan?? It sounds like they're loading up their Woodies and headed to the beach for the day. Let's communicate with correct terms like invasion force, etc. There are many Leftest words that when we use them we have already lost the fight. Why do we say he or she identifies as....?, Homophobe, Xenophobe, LGPTQ, he or she is transitioning, etc? Why is it that when someone wants to abort a child it is a POC (product of conception), tissue, fetus-not that fetus is inaccurate but it is used by some to dehumanize the unborn. However for another mother who is planning to keep her child it is considered a baby. Both with the same gestational age.

If Republicans can learn to be proactive and not reactive, we could take the initiative to control the public discourse. Who said, "He who controls the language controls the argument".
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:12 PM

What?

They suddenly don't want to be welcomed by barbed wire, K9 dog units, the military, or border patrol officers? :huh:

This post has been edited by Rock N' Roll Right Winger: 07 November 2018 - 01:27 PM

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:13 PM

Rush said if the Dems didn't take the House the caravan would turn around.looks like the victory was nowhere near as large as expected. . .
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:15 PM

I wonder if their funding disappeared with the election over??
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Posted 07 November 2018 - 04:44 PM

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“Any kind of accident can happen to you,” Nora, a 35-year-old mother who fled Honduras with her husband and 2-year-old daughter, told the Washington Post earlier this week. She described riding 116 miles to the city of Puebla in a double-decker truck meant for hauling vehicles. “Either I take the risk, or I stay poor.”


Interesting. She's quite certain that as soon as she gets to the US that she's no longer going to be poor.

As if it's a foregone conclusion that she's going to find work instantly, and so is her husband, so that their 2 year old can live a safe life and they can pay a babysitter to take care of her.

Except that's not going to happen. Jobs aren't hanging like ripe fruit on trees, you have to have documentation, you have to have skills and you need to have a place to live.

The ONLY way she can be sure that she won't 'stay poor' is to get on the dole as soon as she gets here so that she has reliable income to pay for herself, her husband and their child.

That doesn't sound like they're coming here for work, it sounds like they're coming here for WELFARE.

And this is just the orchestrated 'family' units that are coming in here.

The single males who are the majority of the caravan don't seem to have a problem with the 'dangers' of the trip or have a concern about how they'll be earning their keep once they get on this side of the border.

Just a little something to think about for those leftard morons who think these folks aren't a problem.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:00 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 07 November 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

Interesting. She's quite certain that as soon as she gets to the US that she's no longer going to be poor.

As if it's a foregone conclusion that she's going to find work instantly, and so is her husband, so that their 2 year old can live a safe life and they can pay a babysitter to take care of her.

Except that's not going to happen. Jobs aren't hanging like ripe fruit on trees, you have to have documentation, you have to have skills and you need to have a place to live.

The ONLY way she can be sure that she won't 'stay poor' is to get on the dole as soon as she gets here so that she has reliable income to pay for herself, her husband and their child.

That doesn't sound like they're coming here for work, it sounds like they're coming here for WELFARE.

And this is just the orchestrated 'family' units that are coming in here.

The single males who are the majority of the caravan don't seem to have a problem with the 'dangers' of the trip or have a concern about how they'll be earning their keep once they get on this side of the border.

Just a little something to think about for those leftard morons who think these folks aren't a problem.


Totally agree. Plus the answer to the Third World's problems are not, drop what you are doing and head to the US to have them take care of you. Here's an idea. Maybe these people aught to work together to make their country better. As I sad before. What makes a country bad or good? The weather?, the geography?, the natural resources?, etc. No it is the people. The people make a country good or bad. So why in hell are we suppose to believe that the worse people from the worse countries are somehow magically going to make our country better after they proved they can't make their country better? Oh I forgot the all-powerful magic word that makes everything right.....Diversity.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:31 AM

View PostBubbajoebob, on 07 November 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

I wonder if their funding disappeared with the election over??

Could be..
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 03:44 PM

View PostDave H., on 08 November 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

Totally agree. Plus the answer to the Third World's problems are not, drop what you are doing and head to the US to have them take care of you. Here's an idea. Maybe these people aught to work together to make their country better. As I sad before. What makes a country bad or good? The weather?, the geography?, the natural resources?, etc. No it is the people. The people make a country good or bad. So why in hell are we suppose to believe that the worse people from the worse countries are somehow magically going to make our country better after they proved they can't make their country better?

There are many different reasons why some countries are prosperous and others aren't, and those factors can interact with each other in complicated ways. Good or bad leadership and the leadership class is usually very different from the type of people who would emigrate. Natural Resources. Neighboring countries. Many circumstances.

As evidence, I'd offer the many different countries whose fortunes have changed drastically over time. There are a number of countries that were very poor mid 20th century and are wealthy now. Ireland went from a poor, conflict-ridden state that was the source of millions of immigrants to our country, to a thriving country today. There are the four "Asian Tigers", South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong that also used to be very poor but are now thriving. Comparing South Korea and North Korea in particular, South Korea has grown from poor to thriving while North Korea is a basket case. The people are roughly the same, the difference is their governments, their allies, their economic system, and their recent political history over the last 70 years.

What you seem to be doing is assuming that all people in any particular country are roughly the same and ignoring the fact that it is made up of individuals who all have their own individual characteristics. In any country, some people will be hardworking, others will be lazy. Some will be open minded and support freedom and democracy, others close-minded and authoritarian. Some fanatically religious, others not at all religious.
There are good people living in countries with bad leaders and bad people living in countries with good leaders. And there are many people in poor countries who could thrive as individuals if given the opportunity.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 03:55 PM

View PostTimothy, on 08 November 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

There are many different reasons why some countries are prosperous and others aren't, and those factors can interact with each other in complicated ways. Good or bad leadership and the leadership class is usually very different from the type of people who would emigrate. Natural Resources. Neighboring countries. Many circumstances.

As evidence, I'd offer the many different countries whose fortunes have changed drastically over time. There are a number of countries that were very poor mid 20th century and are wealthy now. Ireland went from a poor, conflict-ridden state that was the source of millions of immigrants to our country, to a thriving country today. There are the four "Asian Tigers", South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong that also used to be very poor but are now thriving. Comparing South Korea and North Korea in particular, South Korea has grown from poor to thriving while North Korea is a basket case. The people are roughly the same, the difference is their governments, their allies, their economic system, and their recent political history over the last 70 years.

What you seem to be doing is assuming that all people in any particular country are roughly the same and ignoring the fact that it is made up of individuals who all have their own individual characteristics. In any country, some people will be hardworking, others will be lazy. Some will be open minded and support freedom and democracy, others close-minded and authoritarian. Some fanatically religious, others not at all religious.
There are good people living in countries with bad leaders and bad people living in countries with good leaders. And there are many people in poor countries who could thrive as individuals if given the opportunity.


If you're so determined to champion illegals, you should put your money where your mouth is. I suggested the same to another of your brethren here.

Open up YOUR home to one of these caravan members, BUT YOU DON'T GET TO PICK WHO YOU TAKE AND YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR HISTORY.

Then, you pay for their food, their clothing, their medical needs and you make sure that they follow all of the rules and regulations to get LEGAL.

When you've done that, then you come back here and tell the rest of us why America should have open arms to people who demand entrance and use violence if they don't get their way along their route.
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Posted 08 November 2018 - 03:57 PM

View PostBubbajoebob, on 07 November 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

I wonder if their funding disappeared with the election over??

Pretty sure Beto has cut them off.
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