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Posted 16 May 2019 - 09:50 AM

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...literally (for you Monty! :whistle: )...


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:22 AM

Athletes usually don稚 sing along to the national anthem, but it would be entertaining if they did.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:19 AM

View PostLadybird, on 16 May 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

Athletes usually don稚 sing along to the national anthem, but it would be entertaining if they did.


You don't watch a lot of sports, do you? Even at a Professional Bull Riding event, the bulls are singing along!
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:27 AM

View PostRedSoloCup, on 16 May 2019 - 07:05 AM, said:

Send her to a Muslim country.



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Posted 16 May 2019 - 11:39 AM

She has a right to her opinion. But she also can do what her boss and the company says. In this case it would be the USA or get fired. As a sports person she has no more rights then I do as an employee. Guess how long I壇 be employed even if I went on a local tv show stating my company sucked. Why should She have job protected when she does the same thing? For that matter I壇 be fired and not allowed back on company property, for her I guess that would mean us soil. I know that痴 going to far but firing her is not only reasonable but responsible. Sorry you feel that way and we wish you the best of luck in your future job.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:11 PM

View PostCoach, on 15 May 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

Soccer is a commie sport.


Not this again.

Its AMERICAN AND CANADIAN sports that are the socialist sports,not soccer.

NFL, CFL, NBA, MLB etc ALL have the draft system, so the worst team can get the best players. That means equality, that no team can dominate. Your sports are designed to give all a fair shake every season. That's socialism my friend. No franchise can simply buy up and dominate the leagues, be they gridiron or baseball or whatever. So its N American sports that are set up in a socialist fashion. You also do not have relegation, which allows clubs and teams to simply stagnate, does not challenge the status quo. YOU, not us, rewards stagnation and poor teams/players.

Soccer?. The ultimate CAPITALIST sport. Bar none. The game and the leagues are set up in a way that allows the major clubs in any league to dominate others.
Quite simply, the biggest clubs get the best players and win the most trophies. The biggest risk to a major soccer club is OVER-spending, which most have done, and several famous world soccer clubs, inc my own beloved Glasgow Rangers, have either gone bust or near to it (thankfully my club didn't go bust). Soocer is money. And money. And money. Big teams, big clubs, big stadia, big bucks, big players. Pure capitalism. If you get relegated in soccer and start a downward spiral, tough ****. You go bust or if you don't, you become a sleeping giant.

Soccer isn't the commie sport. N American sports are.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:32 PM

Scotsman, American and Canadian sports leagues are franchises. They operate under a corporate model like McDonald's. A franchise owner is beholden to the corporation. The corporation provides support and standards to make you profitable so they can make money off you. However, in the interest of all franchisees, the corporation can only allot so many of its resources to just one store. Competition between franchises spurs profit. Having a dominate franchise stales the product. People lose interest. Corporation loses profit.

European soccer lends itself to dynasties. The economic term is monopolies. As you say, clubs outspend each other into oblivion. Not a very effective business model. The United States has laws against the practice. Which work and don't work to varying degrees. It also explains why we organize professional sports along the franchise model.

I lost interest in European soccer because it was the same teams year after year. In some cases week after week because its seems every Saturday is a championship match of some kind. Among the NFL's other problems, the New England Patriots' dominance has worn the fans' interest. Roger Goodell has allowed them to skirt many of the rules of franchise. That is how I view the storied European soccer teams. They boast tradition when they are simply putting their thumb on the scale.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:39 PM

View Postgravelrash, on 16 May 2019 - 12:32 PM, said:

Scotsman, American and Canadian sports leagues are franchises. They operate under a corporate model like McDonald's. A franchise owner is beholden to the corporation. The corporation provides support and standards to make you profitable so they can make money off you. However, in the interest of all franchisees, the corporation can only allot so many of its resources to just one store. Competition between franchises spurs profit. Having a dominate franchise stales the product. People lose interest. Corporation loses profit.

European soccer lends itself to dynasties. The economic term is monopolies. As you say, clubs outspend each other into oblivion. Not a very effective business model. The United States has laws against the practice. Which work and don't work to varying degrees. It also explains why we organize professional sports along the franchise model.

I lost interest in European soccer because it was the same teams year after year. In some cases week after week because its seems every Saturday is a championship match of some kind. Among the NFL's other problems, the New England Patriots' dominance has worn the fans' interest. Roger Goodell has allowed them to skirt many of the rules of franchise. That is how I view the storied European soccer teams. They boast tradition when they are simply putting their thumb on the scale.


I know this and get what you say, I am just tired of the soccer is socialist/commie nonsense. Its a million miles from it. IMO if any major sports aren't even remotely 'socialist/commie' (which for the reasons you gave, I don't), then for me, the N American system with drafts and no relegation smacks much more of socialism and communism than soccer or rugby or cricket etc.


The other argument (har) against it from some Stateside is that anyone can play it. As if that's a bad thing. That its players aren't all physical behemoths. The genius of soccer is that its greatest players can be 6'4 and 220, but can be 5'4 or 5'6. Diego Maradona was 5'6 and built like a tank, even Pele was only 5'9. Skill is the prime, not the size. Not that men who play 60-70 games a season, 50 wks of the year, have anything to be taught about physical endurance and strength*.

*rugby players will play an equal number of games each season over 10 months, compared to the NFLs paltry 16-20/24 at best.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:24 PM

To Americans, soccer is a commie sport because of its association with third-world regimes in the Western Hemisphere. "Commie" is interchangeable with a declared communist country such as Cuba or some dysfunctional de facto dictatorship such as Venezuela.

Straying from my original point about the arrogance and entitlement of Megan Rapinoe and fellow travelers. How their toddler "defiance" showcases TDS. How she is a prime example of irrational hate and bigotry. That she should really GTFOH.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 04:45 PM

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 07:04 PM

View Postscotsman, on 16 May 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

Not this again.

Its AMERICAN AND CANADIAN sports that are the socialist sports,not soccer.

NFL, CFL, NBA, MLB etc ALL have the draft system, so the worst team can get the best players. That means equality, that no team can dominate. Your sports are designed to give all a fair shake every season. That's socialism my friend. No franchise can simply buy up and dominate the leagues, be they gridiron or baseball or whatever. So its N American sports that are set up in a socialist fashion. You also do not have relegation, which allows clubs and teams to simply stagnate, does not challenge the status quo. YOU, not us, rewards stagnation and poor teams/players.

Soccer?. The ultimate CAPITALIST sport. Bar none. The game and the leagues are set up in a way that allows the major clubs in any league to dominate others.
Quite simply, the biggest clubs get the best players and win the most trophies. The biggest risk to a major soccer club is OVER-spending, which most have done, and several famous world soccer clubs, inc my own beloved Glasgow Rangers, have either gone bust or near to it (thankfully my club didn't go bust). Soocer is money. And money. And money. Big teams, big clubs, big stadia, big bucks, big players. Pure capitalism. If you get relegated in soccer and start a downward spiral, tough ****. You go bust or if you don't, you become a sleeping giant.

Soccer isn't the commie sport. N American sports are.

Hey for once: I completely agree.

I値l tell you the most socialist sports league too: the NHL. National Hockey League. Not only do worse finishers get top picks, there痴 also a salary cap that is meaningful in that rich areas can稚 totally dominate. And then, richer teams have to share some of their proceeds.

And to cap it off, hockey by its nature is an equalizer sport. The puck travels so much faster than a player, and the puck bounces wildly at times, and the battles for the puck along the boards are as frustrating as rugby scrums. So, very even, anyone can win kind of sport and league.

Which makes it interesting IN THAT CONTEXT. The playing itself, because the setup makes any two teams quite even, makes the players fight for every edge. To be about as far from sharing anything as possible. Their behavior is entirely un-socialist. Which makes this game the best spectator sport in person in the world, bar none.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:23 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 15 May 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

I can't tell if you're serious or joking, because most people I know seem to consider curling a "silly" sport. But I'd like to see any of them try to DO it sometime. I tended bar for two years at Seattle's "Granite Curling Club", and got to know the game and the players very well. That is not an easy game to play.

B)

I was only half joking. Growing up near Canada meant not only Hockey Night in Canada but also curling and 9 pin bowling (I think it's 9) on CBET 9 from Windsor. I have always liked watching it, but have never tried it. And the part about the sportsmanship is very true.

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:26 PM

View Postzurg, on 16 May 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

Hey for once: I completely agree.

I値l tell you the most socialist sports league too: the NHL. National Hockey League. Not only do worse finishers get top picks, there痴 also a salary cap that is meaningful in that rich areas can稚 totally dominate. And then, richer teams have to share some of their proceeds.

And to cap it off, hockey by its nature is an equalizer sport. The puck travels so much faster than a player, and the puck bounces wildly at times, and the battles for the puck along the boards are as frustrating as rugby scrums. So, very even, anyone can win kind of sport and league.

Which makes it interesting IN THAT CONTEXT. The playing itself, because the setup makes any two teams quite even, makes the players fight for every edge. To be about as far from sharing anything as possible. Their behavior is entirely un-socialist. Which makes this game the best spectator sport in person in the world, bar none.

Playoff hockey is and always will be the best postseason tournament. Parity does rule the NHL. That is why Tampa, which won the Presidents Trophy in the regular season (by a lot), got swept out of the first round of the playoffs by the Blue Jackets, the lowest seeded team.
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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:32 PM

View Postscotsman, on 16 May 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

I know this and get what you say, I am just tired of the soccer is socialist/commie nonsense. Its a million miles from it. IMO if any major sports aren't even remotely 'socialist/commie' (which for the reasons you gave, I don't), then for me, the N American system with drafts and no relegation smacks much more of socialism and communism than soccer or rugby or cricket etc.


The other argument (har) against it from some Stateside is that anyone can play it. As if that's a bad thing. That its players aren't all physical behemoths. The genius of soccer is that its greatest players can be 6'4 and 220, but can be 5'4 or 5'6. Diego Maradona was 5'6 and built like a tank, even Pele was only 5'9. Skill is the prime, not the size. Not that men who play 60-70 games a season, 50 wks of the year, have anything to be taught about physical endurance and strength*.

*rugby players will play an equal number of games each season over 10 months, compared to the NFLs paltry 16-20/24 at best.

The thing European sports leagues have that aren't in North American Leagues is relegation. The difference in money for a team in English Premiere League team as opposed to The Championship one level below is big. The NBA and NFL should have relegation. It not only adds importance to the regular season, but can also dissuade teams from engaging in this tanking business people seem to like talking about.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 12:51 AM

View PostHieronymous, on 16 May 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

I was only half joking. Growing up near Canada meant not only Hockey Night in Canada but also curling and 9 pin bowling (I think it's 9) on CBET 9 from Windsor. I have always liked watching it, but have never tried it. And the part about the sportsmanship is very true.


I'll tell you something else about the people who curl: They're some of the heaviest drinkers I've ever encountered. And believe me, playing in a bar band and riding with a Harley club you meet plenty of heavy drinkers. But nobody can outdrink a curler.

Early on I sometimes wondered if maybe this only applied to the Seattle Granite Curling Club members, and not necessarily to all curlers everywhere. But after my first Bonspiel (a huge curling tournament that lasts several days and involves teams from all over the world) I was convinced it's pretty much universal, LOL. They all drink like fish. In fact, the team from Scotland showed me something - Y'know those brooms they use:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31XtEaQ4GTL._SY355_.jpg

Well many brands have hollow handles and screw-off end-caps...That's right, they fill those handles with their favorite hard liquor so they can keep drinking during the actual match, without having to visit the bar.

True story.

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 03:06 AM

View PostDutch13, on 16 May 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

I would bet that 50% of the Liverpool fans on rightnation fit that description.....maybe closer to 100%. Outside of rightnation, I see a lot of Liverpool fans on twitter (since I don't follow many other fans from other teams) and I would agree. Anecdotally, the majority are ultra liberals (labor party) as well......which may partially explain them becoming a-holes. If you can find a Liverpool fan in England that does not love Jeremy Corbyn and has does not hate Margaret Thatcher, they are an outcast among the Liverpool fan base.

LOL. You are right.

My initial distaste, however, came from a Norwegian D-Bag who was a "Liverpool Shareholder" who was teaching a class I went to with NATO. Insufferably arrogant twit.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 05:48 AM

View Postzurg, on 16 May 2019 - 07:04 PM, said:

Hey for once: I completely agree.

I’ll tell you the most socialist sports league too: the NHL. National Hockey League. Not only do worse finishers get top picks, there’s also a salary cap that is meaningful in that rich areas can’t totally dominate. And then, richer teams have to share some of their proceeds.

And to cap it off, hockey by its nature is an equalizer sport. The puck travels so much faster than a player, and the puck bounces wildly at times, and the battles for the puck along the boards are as frustrating as rugby scrums. So, very even, anyone can win kind of sport and league.

Which makes it interesting IN THAT CONTEXT. The playing itself, because the setup makes any two teams quite even, makes the players fight for every edge. To be about as far from sharing anything as possible. Their behavior is entirely un-socialist. Which makes this game the best spectator sport in person in the world, bar none.

You are so going to enjoy the Boston Bruins winning the Stanley Cup....Boston sports fans have endured 3 whole months without a championship...And it was 3 months before that....Cue the duck boats

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 06:59 AM

View Postfirecoco, on 17 May 2019 - 05:48 AM, said:

You are so going to enjoy the Boston Bruins winning the Stanley Cup....Boston sports fans have encored 3 whole months without a championship...And it was 3 months before that....Cue the duck boats

I used to be a Bruins fan before moving to South FL where my son was born, he eventually became a local team fan...so did I.

The Bruins can win it IF Rask can stay in the zone. The problem is, they値l have a longish break which will likely affect them negatively. And their next opponent will be way stronger than the Canes, who were lucky to get as far as they did.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 07:13 AM

View Postzurg, on 17 May 2019 - 06:59 AM, said:

I used to be a Bruins fan before moving to South FL where my son was born, he eventually became a local team fan...so did I.

The Bruins can win it IF Rask can stay in the zone. The problem is, they値l have a longish break which will likely affect them negatively. And their next opponent will be way stronger than the Canes, who were lucky to get as far as they did.

It's not only Rask is in the zone but the whole team is in the zone right now....Time off is a double edged sword....Players get to heal

I have a fever and the only cure is a Stanley Cup...Go Bruins
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 07:36 AM

View Postscotsman, on 16 May 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

I know this and get what you say, I am just tired of the soccer is socialist/commie nonsense. Its a million miles from it. IMO if any major sports aren't even remotely 'socialist/commie' (which for the reasons you gave, I don't), then for me, the N American system with drafts and no relegation smacks much more of socialism and communism than soccer or rugby or cricket etc.


The other argument (har) against it from some Stateside is that anyone can play it. As if that's a bad thing. That its players aren't all physical behemoths. The genius of soccer is that its greatest players can be 6'4 and 220, but can be 5'4 or 5'6. Diego Maradona was 5'6 and built like a tank, even Pele was only 5'9. Skill is the prime, not the size. Not that men who play 60-70 games a season, 50 wks of the year, have anything to be taught about physical endurance and strength*.

*rugby players will play an equal number of games each season over 10 months, compared to the NFLs paltry 16-20/24 at best.


I get both your opinion and that of Gravelrash. I love the European model of promotion and relegation amongst the leagues. Using Major League baseball as a comparison, a soccer team can literally be a "single A" team one year and each year it can earn promotion to the next higher league.....while the worst performing teams in each league, including the majors, get sent down a league. If the Cleveland Indians suck, they get dropped from MLB and relegated into AAA baseball, while the top AAA team gets promoted into MLB. Gravel's complaint that the same top teams are in the hunt every year is a complaint of many American's.

I enjoy that the US leagues do try to keep the leagues competitive by allowing the WORST performing team to draft the best players first........but that is socialistic. Why should we reward teams for performing so poorly. I am not a huge NBA fan and I don't understand their draft lottery system (because I put zero thought/ interest in it), but at least the worst team isn't guaranteed the first pick every year.

I wish that the NFL draft was totally randomized and did not reward failure. Many media figures for various NFL teams haven spoken of their local teams need to #TankForTua, including the Miami Dolphins. Screw that.....don't incentivize failure. Take 32 balls with a number inside and put them in a Bingo machine. Let league ranking decide in which order everyone gets to spin the wheel.......but each team gets a random ball with a number from 1-32 inside and that is your selection order for that year.




View PostHieronymous, on 16 May 2019 - 10:32 PM, said:

The thing European sports leagues have that aren't in North American Leagues is relegation. The difference in money for a team in English Premiere League team as opposed to The Championship one level below is big. The NBA and NFL should have relegation. It not only adds importance to the regular season, but can also dissuade teams from engaging in this tanking business people seem to like talking about.


BAM.....you hit all the major points. There is no way that relegation will ever take hold in America. The owners will never allow their franchise to lose value by being demoted to a lower league.


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