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#21 User is offline   GrimV 

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:42 AM

View PostMTP Reggie, on 17 October 2019 - 10:17 AM, said:

Let's see...



This describes my place and every other property on the planet. The tax-assessed value of my primary property is 75% of its market value. It's like this everywhere because tax values lag behind market values. At some point such as during a market downturn, it's entirely possible and even likely that my primary property's tax-assessed value will be greater than its market value.

:yawn:



Beat me to it.

A property's market value, assessed value and taxable value are never the same.

But hey, it paints a sinister story for the financially ignorant.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:49 AM

View PostGrimV, on 17 October 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

Beat me to it.

A property's market value, assessed value and taxable value are never the same.

But hey, it paints a sinister story for the financially ignorant.


You usually put it a little more colorfully than I do though.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:50 AM

Written by a Never Trumper in the mold of Stephen Hayes and Jonah Goldberg.

Tax laws are worse than Draconian, they are unintelligible by design. The tax gestapo can take anyone down if they want to badly enough and get public opinion twisted against the target.

It's a threat to the President but that doesn't mean it's legitimate.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 11:59 AM

Whatever they’re accusing you of, you can bet they’re doing it too.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:19 PM

View Postcorporal_little, on 17 October 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

No, absolutely not. This kind of stuff isn't aimed at people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. This is aimed at non-college educated, blue collar folks to try and paint a picture that Trump is just another rich crook. If they can turn even 5% of them to vote Democrat or not even vote at all in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and even Iowa.....that turns the election.

I know we are all predicting a Trump landslide....I think we need to be prepared to see him be impeached and the very real possibility of us having our first OPENLY socialist President, combined with control of Congress.

I was being facetious. ;)
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:36 PM

View Postmjperry51, on 17 October 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Remind me again what the outcome of the Whitewater part of the investigation was. . .

Where's that nothingburger emoticon??


The result of the independent council was impeachment.

View Postcorporal_little, on 17 October 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

No, absolutely not. This kind of stuff isn't aimed at people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. This is aimed at non-college educated, blue collar folks to try and paint a picture that Trump is just another rich crook. If they can turn even 5% of them to vote Democrat or not even vote at all in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and even Iowa.....that turns the election.

I know we are all predicting a Trump landslide....I think we need to be prepared to see him be impeached and the very real possibility of us having our first OPENLY socialist President, combined with control of Congress.


Trump is a rich crook. Just ask all of the contractors he stiffed.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:38 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

Trump is a rich crook. Just ask all of the contractors he stiffed.


Would you pay a contractor that did a bad job on your property?

That's what courts are for...to work that stuff out.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:39 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

The result of the independent council was impeachment.



Trump is a rich crook. Just ask all of the contractors he stiffed.


There you go again lying. The result of the independent council impeachment was Clinton lying under oath. Not for anything white water related, in fact HRC still has those documents hidden away on her person.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:40 PM

View Postcorporal_little, on 17 October 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

I know we are all predicting a Trump landslide....I think we need to be prepared to see him be impeached and the very real possibility of us having our first OPENLY socialist President, combined with control of Congress.


"prepared"?

We should get the impeachment paperwork in order. Just leave the name blank until we know who it is. :lol:
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 12:48 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 17 October 2019 - 10:21 AM, said:

Who did Trump cheat? The IRS? They would be all over him if he did. :nuts:

Did he use the power of his position to force lenders to lend him money? :rofl:

Is this supposed to be the next anti-Trump lie after the impeachment scam crashes and burns?


All they know how to do is fling poo to see if it will stick.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:01 PM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 17 October 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

There you go again lying. The result of the independent council impeachment was Clinton lying under oath. Not for anything white water related, in fact HRC still has those documents hidden away on her person.

Correct. They moved on to something else.

If there’s no malfeasance in this matter, there shouldn’t be a problem with a close inspection.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:06 PM

:biglaugh:

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:14 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

The result of the independent council was impeachment.



Trump is a rich crook. Just ask all of the contractors he stiffed.


The result of the Whitewater-focused investigation was nothing.No Whitewater charges, no Whitewater indictment


Leads to other potential issues don't count. . .
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:17 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 09:23 AM, said:

Trump's tax dodges look more serious than Whitewater
October 16, 2019 06:26 PM


Conservatives who spent years investigating and criticizing the Clinton family business dealings known as “Whitewater” and Hillary Clinton’s cattle futures scam ought to be equally outraged by President Trump’s obviously sketchy tax dodges.

In terms of the money involved, Trump’s dealings, as outlined today by ProPublica, are much worse than the Clintons’ pre-presidential self-dealing. Yet soon, if recent past is prologue, we will surely hear either silence from the Clintons’ strongest critics, or worse, some fevered attempts to explain away the tax dodginess as business-as-usual.

The basic outline is simple. With regard to two of Trump’s major real-estate investments, the “art of the deal” involved filing financial reports with lenders and with tax authorities that were radically different from each other. The discrepancies regularly involved hundreds of thousands of dollars. On insurance alone on one building, for example, the publication reported that “costs in 2017 were listed as $744,521 in tax documents and $457,414 in loan records.”

To quote ProPublica:

“A dozen real estate professionals told ProPublica they saw no clear explanation for multiple inconsistencies in the documents. The discrepancies are ‘versions of fraud,’ said Nancy Wallace, a professor of finance and real estate at the Haas School of Business at the University of California-Berkeley. ‘This kind of stuff is not OK.’ … The punishments for lying to tax officials, or to lenders, can be significant, ranging from fines to criminal fraud charges. Two former Trump associates, Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort, are serving prison time for offenses that include falsifying tax and bank records, some of them related to real estate.”

For another example, “Trump’s company told New York City tax officials it made about $822,000 renting space to commercial tenants there in 2017, records show. The company told loan officials it took in $1.67 million that year — more than twice as much.”

These are not differences involving tiny percentages or explainable accounting errors. These are immense disparities. Moreover, each individual variance played in Trump’s favor. If they were random errors, surely some of the errors would disfavor the billionaire. But, no, not here. There is no reasonable way to assert there was no intentionality involved here, and deceitful intentionality, at that.

Unless there is a really, really convincing explanation for this, it is easily as investigatable as Whitewater was, and, unlike the convoluted Whitewater dealings in which the Clintons were secondary investors, there is almost no way that Trump can pawn off responsibility to others.

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:22 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Correct. They moved on to something else.

If there's no malfeasance in this matter, there shouldn't be a problem with a close inspection.


No she hid the evidence, and chose to decline responding to the subpoena. Your ilk gave her a pass and now want all these people who claim executive privilege to be tossed in jail. Good to see you are consistent.

Just so you can catch up to the facts in the case against HRC and WhiteWater.

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A 4/10/98 OIC memo uses terms ‘crime(s),’ ‘criminal,’ ‘fraudulent,’ ‘misrepresented,’ ‘inaccurate,’ ‘deceive,’ ‘mislead,’ ‘misstatement,’ and ‘concealed’ 27 times in 20 pages to describe actions by Clinton and Whitewater associates

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:38 PM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 17 October 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

:biglaugh:

Fish gotta swim and trolls gotta troll...


:exactly:
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 01:51 PM

Meh, the latest trumped-up charge (pun intended) against the duly-elected president based purely on hatred and childish pouting.

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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:07 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

The result of the independent council was impeachment.



Trump is a rich crook. Just ask all of the contractors he stiffed.

You lie. :bs:
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:09 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 17 October 2019 - 12:38 PM, said:

Would you pay a contractor that did a bad job on your property?

That's what courts are for...to work that stuff out.

:exactly:

Yet she clings to hearsay that lost in court.
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Posted 17 October 2019 - 02:11 PM

View PostLadybird, on 17 October 2019 - 01:01 PM, said:

Correct. They moved on to something else.

If there’s no malfeasance in this matter, there shouldn’t be a problem with a close inspection.

You are so damned obtuse that you cannot see where you just now contradicted yourself in your lie?

<censored>ing amazing.
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