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  Posted 17 May 2019 - 02:42 AM

Nolte: New York Times Debunks CNNís Fake School Shootings Statistics

JOHN NOLTE
Breitbart
5/16/19

EXCERPT:

CNN, a fake news outlet that stokes violence and spreads conspiracy theories, has broadcast and published a series of provably false statistics over the past week involving school shootings. (In an effort to stop the spread of fake news, the CNN reports and video will not be linked or embedded here.)

Among other lies, CNN claims there have already been 15(!) school shootings in the first 19 weeks of 2019; 336 school shootings since 2008; and 35 school shootings since last fall.

The Daily Wire reports that two of CNNís most left-wing commentators, Brooke Baldwin and Chris Cuomo, who pose as objective news anchors, have been running emotionally driven propaganda on their basement-rated shows as a means to spread these lies.

To begin with, as my colleague AWR Hawkins pointed out Wednesday, in a cynical effort to deliberately deceive news consumers and inflate its absurd claim of 15 school shootings in 2019, CNN counted an incident involving a pellet gun, a drug deal gone bad in a school parking lot after dark, an accidental discharge in a dorm room, and a kid shot in the hand on a school bus by a person who probably wasnít even on the bus.

In fact, if you use the legitimate definition of a school shooting, the FBIís definition in ďwhich an assailant is actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people, on school property or inside school buildings,Ē there have been exactly TWO school shootings this year.

As far as CNNís laughable claim of 336 school shootings since 2008, the New York Times reports that there have been only 111 school shootings over the last 50 years ó FIFTY years ó and 16 of those did not result in anyone being killed or injured.

Other things CNN refuses to report are the studies that show ďU.S. schools overall are safer today than they were in the early 1990s, and there is not an epidemic of such shootingsĒ:

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 06:20 AM

Imagine that. . . .
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 05:56 PM

So apparently the definition of "Fake News" is "Anything that John Nolte, the author of the piece, doesn't want to believe".

I dunno about CNN, but it's definitely FAR MORE than the two that Mr. Nolte Suggests.

Definition of school shooting: Shots were fired. On school property. Any definition OTHER THAN THAT is just someone like Mr. Nolte trying to weasel out of recognizing that there IS a problem. And EVEN IF there WAS only two this year - in 4-1/2 months - does that somehow mean there ISN'T a problem. Hey, only two "Columbines". Fuggeddabodit, let's go have a beer."

So far, I count (And I'm ignoring the Jan 31 one in Memphis where the weapon turned out to be a pellet gun):

Feb. 8, Baltimore "A man entered Frederick Douglass High School and shot and injured a staff member, prompting students to hide in their classrooms at the sound of gunfire. The police said they believed the gunman had targeted the victim, a 56-year-old special education assistant".

Feb. 12, Kansas City, Mo. A teenage girl was shot and killed outside a high school in Kansas City after an argument at an evening basketball game. The police said that the assailant and girl knew each other, and that it appeared the suspect had waited in the parking lot and shot the girl as she left the game.

Feb. 26, Montgomery, Ala. A 17-year-old student at Robert E. Lee High School was shot and wounded in an arm by another student, the police said. The school was placed on lockdown and the assailant was arrested. According to news media reports, it was the second time in two years that a student had taken a gun to that school and shot another student. Local newspaper account:"Mayor Todd Strange said initial investigations show the incident was not random, but he lauded the response to the "active shooter situation." The school was placed on lockdown immediately by MPS staff at the school. Montgomery Police Department responded to the scene and was soon backed up by Alabama Law Enforcement Agency and the FBI."

Apr. 1, Prescott, Ark. A 14-year-old eighth grader at Prescott High School was shot and injured by a classmate, who the authorities said took a concealed handgun to school. Local Newspaper Account: 14-year-old student shot at Arkansas school in apparent 'premeditated attack'.

Apr. 30, Charlotte, N.C. Two students were killed and four others were wounded after a gunman opened fire in an anthropology class at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. One of the students who was killed, Riley Howell, was credited with charging and body-slamming the gunman, stopping the massacre.

May 7, Highlands Ranch, Colo. One student was killed and eight others were injured earlier this week in an attack on an English class at STEM School Highlands Ranch. Two students were apprehended and charged with the shooting, which took place just miles from Columbine High School, the site of a massacre 20 years ago.

May 7, Savannah, Ga. A Savannah State University student was shot and wounded in a residential hall on campus. The authorities said a man who was not a student was arrested in the shooting.


So, which of these, precisely, would Mr. Nolte say is NOT a "school" shooting per what he claims is the FBI's definition????
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 07:33 PM

Adam, your list looks reasonable and counts 7 school shootings. CNN said 15. So Nolte has a point.... but he didnít make it without exaggeration, which is a shame.
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Posted 17 May 2019 - 11:57 PM

View PostDean Adam Smithee, on 17 May 2019 - 05:56 PM, said:

So apparently the definition of "Fake News" is "Anything that John Nolte, the author of the piece, doesn't want to believe".

I dunno about CNN, but it's definitely FAR MORE than the two that Mr. Nolte Suggests.

Definition of school shooting: Shots were fired. On school property. Any definition OTHER THAN THAT is just someone like Mr. Nolte trying to weasel out of recognizing that there IS a problem. And EVEN IF there WAS only two this year - in 4-1/2 months - does that somehow mean there ISN'T a problem. Hey, only two "Columbines". Fuggeddabodit, let's go have a beer."

So far, I count (And I'm ignoring the Jan 31 one in Memphis where the weapon turned out to be a pellet gun):

Feb. 8, Baltimore "A man entered Frederick Douglass High School and shot and injured a staff member, prompting students to hide in their classrooms at the sound of gunfire. The police said they believed the gunman had targeted the victim, a 56-year-old special education assistant".

Feb. 12, Kansas City, Mo. A teenage girl was shot and killed outside a high school in Kansas City after an argument at an evening basketball game. The police said that the assailant and girl knew each other, and that it appeared the suspect had waited in the parking lot and shot the girl as she left the game.

Feb. 26, Montgomery, Ala. A 17-year-old student at Robert E. Lee High School was shot and wounded in an arm by another student, the police said. The school was placed on lockdown and the assailant was arrested. According to news media reports, it was the second time in two years that a student had taken a gun to that school and shot another student. Local newspaper account:"Mayor Todd Strange said initial investigations show the incident was not random, but he lauded the response to the "active shooter situation." The school was placed on lockdown immediately by MPS staff at the school. Montgomery Police Department responded to the scene and was soon backed up by Alabama Law Enforcement Agency and the FBI."

Apr. 1, Prescott, Ark. A 14-year-old eighth grader at Prescott High School was shot and injured by a classmate, who the authorities said took a concealed handgun to school. Local Newspaper Account: 14-year-old student shot at Arkansas school in apparent 'premeditated attack'.

Apr. 30, Charlotte, N.C. Two students were killed and four others were wounded after a gunman opened fire in an anthropology class at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. One of the students who was killed, Riley Howell, was credited with charging and body-slamming the gunman, stopping the massacre.

May 7, Highlands Ranch, Colo. One student was killed and eight others were injured earlier this week in an attack on an English class at STEM School Highlands Ranch. Two students were apprehended and charged with the shooting, which took place just miles from Columbine High School, the site of a massacre 20 years ago.

May 7, Savannah, Ga. A Savannah State University student was shot and wounded in a residential hall on campus. The authorities said a man who was not a student was arrested in the shooting.


So, which of these, precisely, would Mr. Nolte say is NOT a "school" shooting per what he claims is the FBI's definition????


Nolte's both right and wrong here. The 15 number is technically correct in that 15 shootings have taken place at schools. What's more, he's right that its broad to the point of being a useless statistic due to the types of incidents it covers. When most people talk about school shootings, they are talking about the successful or attempted "Columbines" that have happened - mass murder. What they're not talking about are suicides, drug deals gone bad, domestic violence, robberies, gang problems, accidents, etc. Nolte's definition of school shooting is actually the FBI's definition of an active shooter situation, where someone enters a confined location or gathering, in this case a school, with the intent to shoot people.

Even if you limit the CNN definition of school shooting to the one that you use, it is still broad to the point of being useless. Its like talking about the issue of domestic violence and operating based on the number of assaults that occurred in houses rather than significant others beating their partner/spouse/gf/bf/child. It entirely ignores motive, effective response, and underlying reasons behind the incident. That isn't to say that the other shootings aren't an issue. However, you're not going to solve the issue of "Columbines" by including data from, or even discussing drug deals gone bad, angry husbands shooting their teacher wives, accidental shootings, or even an angry student hunting down and killing someone they hate at school. Context matters.

Using that definition, of the shootings you list, I'd put UNC Charlotte and Highlands Ranch in that category.

Savannah was a single person being shot a single time in a dorm where multiple armed robberies occurred recently. It might be a shooting at a school, but is that the sort of thing you'd lump in with "Columbines" when trying to come up with a solution or even during casual conversation? The Montgomery, AL shooting was again a targeted shooting that resulted in four arrests - the shooter and 3 other random students who just happened to have guns at the school for reasons completely unrelated to the shooting.

Nolte does fail in that he spends so much time attacking CNN that he doesn't discuss the actual numbers, his "FBI definition," or why some shootings should or shouldn't be included.

For what it is worth, https://www.chds.us/ssdb/ is where everyone here is getting their data, CNN, NYT, Nolte, and the FBI. The fact that everyone here can discuss the topic and using the same numbers claim opposite things is pretty sad. Statistics without context are useless.
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Posted 18 May 2019 - 12:22 PM

CNN... The special Olympics of TV news.

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 04:21 PM

View PostModerator T, on 17 May 2019 - 11:57 PM, said:

Nolte's both right and wrong here. The 15 number is technically correct in that 15 shootings have taken place at schools. What's more, he's right that its broad to the point of being a useless statistic due to the types of incidents it covers. When most people talk about school shootings, they are talking about the successful or attempted "Columbines" that have happened - mass murder. What they're not talking about are suicides, drug deals gone bad, domestic violence, robberies, gang problems, accidents, etc. Nolte's definition of school shooting is actually the FBI's definition of an active shooter situation, where someone enters a confined location or gathering, in this case a school, with the intent to shoot people.

Even if you limit the CNN definition of school shooting to the one that you use, it is still broad to the point of being useless. Its like talking about the issue of domestic violence and operating based on the number of assaults that occurred in houses rather than significant others beating their partner/spouse/gf/bf/child. It entirely ignores motive, effective response, and underlying reasons behind the incident. That isn't to say that the other shootings aren't an issue. However, you're not going to solve the issue of "Columbines" by including data from, or even discussing drug deals gone bad, angry husbands shooting their teacher wives, accidental shootings, or even an angry student hunting down and killing someone they hate at school. Context matters.

Using that definition, of the shootings you list, I'd put UNC Charlotte and Highlands Ranch in that category.

Savannah was a single person being shot a single time in a dorm where multiple armed robberies occurred recently. It might be a shooting at a school, but is that the sort of thing you'd lump in with "Columbines" when trying to come up with a solution or even during casual conversation? The Montgomery, AL shooting was again a targeted shooting that resulted in four arrests - the shooter and 3 other random students who just happened to have guns at the school for reasons completely unrelated to the shooting.


I disagree but only as a quibble; I make no distinction between individual (targeted) shootings and "mass" shootings. If you're dead, does it really matter???

There is definitely a difference between "My Day" and "These days".

MY Day = HS Class of '78. Which means that for 12 years I'd been in (various) schools since '66 or so. NEVER a shooting in ANY school. Closest was 'National' news, some a-hole (I wont print his name) in a bell tower in texas

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 04:52 PM

Could have been one more..
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