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Posted 19 September 2018 - 12:38 PM

Every time I hear the mid term elections discussed the experts hammer their belief that suburban college educated women will determine the outcome and it will lead to a democrat victory. I'm sorry but that makes me wonder if college educated suburban women are that stupid ?

I see and hear democrat members of congress behave as blithering idiots. One example, a female democrat senator from Hawaii boldly condemns all men and tells them to get out of her world. How many of her sisters in suburban America agree with her or can stomach such arrogance ? Another, Diane Fienstien totally screws up the confirmation of a supreme Court nominee and behaves like a senile old woman posing as a feminine leader. The second in command of the DNC is credibly accused of abuse and molestation and continues his pursuit of office untouched.

An age old question is how to remain sane in an insane world. Beer helps but nothing beats common sense. It is my firm conviction that college educated suburban women have common sense.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 01:12 PM

View PostCoach, on 19 September 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

An age old question is how to remain sane in an insane world. Beer helps but nothing beats common sense. It is my firm conviction that college educated suburban women have common sense.

Say you ?


I say it depends entirely on how old they are (i.e. when they went to college.) I can still remember decades ago when a college education was worthwhile; It actually meant something. Colleges were honorable places, professors were (for the most part) intelligent, honest purveyors of facts, college graduates tended to be better educated than everybody else, etc etc etc.

But nowadays? Pfffffft. Most colleges are nurseries that coddle snowflakes and censor as many facts as they can. Modern college diplomas are pretty much only good for wrapping fish or lining bird cages.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 01:28 PM

View PostCoach, on 19 September 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Every time I hear the mid term elections discussed the experts hammer their belief that suburban college educated women will determine the outcome and it will lead to a democrat victory. I'm sorry but that makes me wonder if college educated suburban women are that stupid ?

I see and hear democrat members of congress behave as blithering idiots. One example, a female democrat senator from Hawaii boldly condemns all men and tells them to get out of her world. How many of her sisters in suburban America agree with her or can stomach such arrogance ? Another, Diane Fienstien totally screws up the confirmation of a supreme Court nominee and behaves like a senile old woman posing as a feminine leader. The second in command of the DNC is credibly accused of abuse and molestation and continues his pursuit of office untouched.

An age old question is how to remain sane in an insane world. Beer helps but nothing beats common sense. It is my firm conviction that college educated suburban women have common sense.

Say you ?


Are ALL college educated suburban women are that stupid? No. Definitely "some". Possibly "many". Perhaps even "enough" to throw the mid-terms.

Women are somewhat over half of college attendees, I think the percentage is in the high 50's... but less than 1/5 of STEM graduates. And closer to 1/10 if you exclude "soft" sciences like psychology and various "social sciences" from the definition of STEM. That makes for a LOT of women graduating with Liberal Arts degrees, with the emphasis on the word "liberal".
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 02:10 PM

What the ‘liberal’ in ‘liberal arts’ actually means

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In America today liberal more often than not brings to mind the meaning opposite to conservative, particularly in the political sense of liberals versus conservatives. But the liberal in liberal arts and liberal education does not stand in contrast to conservative. Rather, it derives from the Latin liberalis, associated with the meaning of freedom. Liberal, not as opposed to conservative, but as free, in contrast to imprisoned, subjugated, or incarcerated. Free citizens studied the trivium and quadrivium as part of their liberal education, as these skills were considered the ones that would enable them to function successfully as free citizens in society.

These liberal skills were also free in the sense that they were not tied or constrained to skills used for the purpose of production of artifacts as in the case of the servile arts. Thus, the word liberal in liberal arts and liberal education does not refer to the opposite of conservative; it refers to free, the opposite of constrained and subjugated, an education for free citizens.

It’s no wonder there is so much confusion about the phrases liberal arts and liberal education. In addition, the use of the word sciences appears in the phrase arts and sciences! Different variations of these phrases can be found throughout today’s discussions: the liberal arts, the liberal arts and sciences, a liberal education, a liberal arts education, and a liberal arts and sciences education. Each time one is used it has the potential to mean different things to different people.

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.

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Bottom line, I agree with Monty's point. The quality and worth of a college degree in any field depends greatly upon the era in which it was acquired. Several years ago, a degree actually had to be earned with hard work and study.

Today, the standards are practically non-existent. Just witness the accomplishments of many of our recent college graduates.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 02:21 PM

View PostLiz, on 19 September 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

What the ‘liberal’ in ‘liberal arts’ actually means

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In America today liberal more often than not brings to mind the meaning opposite to conservative, particularly in the political sense of liberals versus conservatives. But the liberal in liberal arts and liberal education does not stand in contrast to conservative. Rather, it derives from the Latin liberalis, associated with the meaning of freedom. Liberal, not as opposed to conservative, but as free, in contrast to imprisoned, subjugated, or incarcerated. Free citizens studied the trivium and quadrivium as part of their liberal education, as these skills were considered the ones that would enable them to function successfully as free citizens in society.

These liberal skills were also free in the sense that they were not tied or constrained to skills used for the purpose of production of artifacts as in the case of the servile arts. Thus, the word liberal in liberal arts and liberal education does not refer to the opposite of conservative; it refers to free, the opposite of constrained and subjugated, an education for free citizens.

It’s no wonder there is so much confusion about the phrases liberal arts and liberal education. In addition, the use of the word sciences appears in the phrase arts and sciences! Different variations of these phrases can be found throughout today’s discussions: the liberal arts, the liberal arts and sciences, a liberal education, a liberal arts education, and a liberal arts and sciences education. Each time one is used it has the potential to mean different things to different people.

The phrase liberal arts today does not refer to The Arts, or even the humanities; it is a broader concept. In fact, in phrases like liberal arts core, or liberal arts education, the word arts is meant to encompass the humanities, and the social sciences, and the natural and physical sciences, including mathematics. The phrase liberal education does not refer to a curriculum that contrasts with a conservative education; it refers to a curriculum designed to provide students with the knowledge and abilities to become successful, productive members of a free society. It provides them the opportunity to practice free-thinking. (Remember, liberal as in free, as opposed to constrained or subjugated.) It teaches them how to think critically, communicate clearly, analyze and solve complex problems, appreciate others, understand the physical world, and be prepared to learn continuously so they can work with others and on their own to meet the challenges of the future.

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Bottom line, I agree with Monty's point. The quality and worth of a college degree in any field depends greatly upon the era in which it was acquired. Several years ago, a degree actually had to be earned with hard work and study.

Today, the standards are practically non-existent. Just witness the accomplishments of many of our recent college graduates.





I'm a victim of my age and naivete. Maybe I should be more worried. I just find democrat propaganda so shallow it's hard for me to think it could be effective.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 02:54 PM

View PostCoach, on 19 September 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

I'm a victim of my age and naivete. Maybe I should be more worried. I just find democrat propaganda so shallow it's hard for me to think it could be effective.

I think that just proves that you're not naive, Coach. If you were, you'd be falling for their line.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 03:19 PM

Columbia freshmen required to undergo 3-hour identity politics workshop during orientation

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The First-Year Experience, a widely adopted college freshman program, indoctrinates students in radicalism, identity politics, and victimology.


My daughter started at her school with enough AP credits to be a sophomore, and with some wrangling we managed to get her out of the mandatory freshman indoctrination class.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 03:29 PM

Would you rather transfer your income to your wife on your own or would you prefer that the government transfer your income to women you have never even heard of? The main economic effect of both marriage and government programs is to transfer income from men to women, but the marital income transfer is under your control while the government income transfer is under Congressional control. The marital income transfer is possible, of course, only among those who are married. Their firm preference for the marital income transfer is the reason for the marriage gap in voting among both sexes. Trump got 52% of the married voters vs. Clinton's 44%. Clinton got 55% of the unmarried voters vs. Trump's 37%.

When men earn higher incomes, they naturally pay more income tax under a progressive tax structure (the higher the income, the higher the rate). Even under a flat tax like the payroll tax, they pay more. Yet, most Social Security benefits go to women and Medicare benefits even more so, mainly due to longer female longevity. The intramarital income transfer is mainly through men supporting wives as well as inheritance since wives outlive husbands 80% of the time.

Do you remember "The Life of Julia", the faceless female stick figure from the 2012 election? She was supported by the state, which is to say supported by mostly male taxpayers, from cradle to grave. She gets pregnant but never marries. The father of her son Zachary never appears in the cartoon and certainly never pays any child support. He certainly plays no role in her decision to have a baby, since the cartoon says "she decides to have a child" and not "they decide to have a child." Maybe he's an anonymous sperm donor. This is clearly an ad for single voters who expect the taxpayers to support them and their children, not for married voters who expect to support themselves and their children, since the former is what "The Life of Julia" was written to offer the voters.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:17 PM

View PostLiz, on 19 September 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

What the ‘liberal’ in ‘liberal arts’ actually means


Yes, I'm aware what the ‘liberal’ in ‘liberal arts’ was supposed to mean. But it is self-evident that most colleges these days that call themselves "liberal arts" ARE flaming bastions of leftism.

The left has corrupted the term 'liberal' in that sense just as much as they have in the political sense as well.

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:17 PM

I think there are a lot of conservative women who come out of colleges. It may even be the majority. But, the institutions they attend are leftist, so the women just keep their thoughts private, and only reveal them after the institutions can’t really hurt them.

If the roles were reversed (most educational institutions being conservative and majority of attending women being leftists), demand for safe spaces would be a huge business.

How to tell the difference? Conservative women rock, leftist women whine.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:21 PM

View PostMartin, on 19 September 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

Would you rather transfer your income to your wife on your own or would you prefer that the government transfer your income to women you have never even heard of? The main economic effect of both marriage and government programs is to transfer income from men to women, but the marital income transfer is under your control while the government income transfer is under Congressional control. The marital income transfer is possible, of course, only among those who are married. Their firm preference for the marital income transfer is the reason for the marriage gap in voting among both sexes. Trump got 52% of the married voters vs. Clinton's 44%. Clinton got 55% of the unmarried voters vs. Trump's 37%.

When men earn higher incomes, they naturally pay more income tax under a progressive tax structure (the higher the income, the higher the rate). Even under a flat tax like the payroll tax, they pay more. Yet, most Social Security benefits go to women and Medicare benefits even more so, mainly due to longer female longevity. The intramarital income transfer is mainly through men supporting wives as well as inheritance since wives outlive husbands 80% of the time.

Do you remember "The Life of Julia", the faceless female stick figure from the 2012 election? She was supported by the state, which is to say supported by mostly male taxpayers, from cradle to grave. She gets pregnant but never marries. The father of her son Zachary never appears in the cartoon and certainly never pays any child support. He certainly plays no role in her decision to have a baby, since the cartoon says "she decides to have a child" and not "they decide to have a child." Maybe he's an anonymous sperm donor. This is clearly an ad for single voters who expect the taxpayers to support them and their children, not for married voters who expect to support themselves and their children, since the former is what "The Life of Julia" was written to offer the voters.





Excellent example of how screwed up democrat/progressive/socialists are.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:27 PM

View PostDean Adam Smithee, on 19 September 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

The left has corrupted the term 'liberal' in that sense just as much as they have in the political sense as well.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 06:52 PM

View PostGertie Keddle, on 19 September 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

Columbia freshmen required to undergo 3-hour identity politics workshop during orientation

Reeducation Campus
The First-Year Experience, a widely adopted college freshman program, indoctrinates students in radicalism, identity politics, and victimology.


My daughter started at her school with enough AP credits to be a sophomore, and with some wrangling we managed to get her out of the mandatory freshman indoctrination class.
I got lucky-my daughter did not wish to spend 4-6 expensive years in glorified high school. She aced the ASVAB and joined the US Navy in the nuclear program. 2 hard years of schooling and the 4 years on a carrier including 2 combat tours of the Gulf. She now has a great job with great pay and benefits doing engineering testing, money in the bank, and no debt. She also got a lot of travel adventure she would never have gotten without the Navy. I, of course, am button busting proud of her!
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Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:51 AM

View PostDean Adam Smithee, on 19 September 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

Yes, I'm aware what the ‘liberal’ in ‘liberal arts’ was supposed to mean. But it is self-evident that most colleges these days that call themselves "liberal arts" ARE flaming bastions of leftism.

The left has corrupted the term 'liberal' in that sense just as much as they have in the political sense as well.





Liberal is not the only word the left has corrupted............this could be a whole new thread.
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Posted 21 September 2018 - 01:26 AM

As of this date I would like to officially nominate the phrase College Educated for inclusion in the list of oxymorons, such as the following classics:

airline food
hospital food
Amtrak schedule
liberal thinking
good morning
Long Island Expressway
bipartisan cooperation
modern art
House Ethics Commmittee
UN Human Rights Commission
government worker
benevolent dictator
union worker
luxury compact
good lawyer
rap artist
rap music
rap culture
country rock
Middle East peace process
Hyundai Excel
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Posted 21 September 2018 - 01:58 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 19 September 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

I say it depends entirely on how old they are (i.e. when they went to college.) I can still remember decades ago when a college education was worthwhile; It actually meant something. Colleges were honorable places, professors were (for the most part) intelligent, honest purveyors of facts, college graduates tended to be better educated than everybody else, etc etc etc.

But nowadays? Pfffffft. Most colleges are nurseries that coddle snowflakes and censor as many facts as they can. Modern college diplomas are pretty much only good for wrapping fish or lining bird cages.

B)

My co-worker has degrees in recumbent DNA technology, microbiology, chemistry and bio-chemistry.

He has been with the district for 6 years longer than I have.

We now both have the same job.

I make a lot more money than he does and I'm a high school grad with several vocational/tech school diplomas for "working with hands" kinds of skilled professions.

He spent tens of thousands of dollars on his college education and eventually ended up as a an industrial chemist for most of his career making only $35,000 per year with the district until he moved into the control room and makes more than double that now.

The pay scale for chemists has dropped significantly over the last 20 years as have many other such college degree required jobs. He was making six figures when he first graduated college back in 1998 working for a company to develop drug testing kits before they suddenly decided with "bean counter executive" corporate greed that chemists shouldn't be paid that much and didn't deserve any incentives for inventing or developing new products that make hundreds of millions of dollars for the company. Most other big name corporate companies followed suit nationwide and cut their chemist's pay in half and ended paying out bonuses and dividends for discovering and inventing new chemical processes and products to sell.

So many talented chemists have since left the field for new lines of work and it has really hurt progress in discovering better ways of making things and cures for diseases.It's a damned shame that greed suppresses such talented people and great new inventions will never see the light of day. They have killed their own golden geese, much the same way that the proggies have in cheating and overburdening the middle class producers in this country and the world.

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 08:30 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 19 September 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

I say it depends entirely on how old they are (i.e. when they went to college.) I can still remember decades ago when a college education was worthwhile; It actually meant something. Colleges were honorable places, professors were (for the most part) intelligent, honest purveyors of facts, college graduates tended to be better educated than everybody else, etc etc etc.

But nowadays? Pfffffft. Most colleges are nurseries that coddle snowflakes and censor as many facts as they can. Modern college diplomas are pretty much only good for wrapping fish or lining bird cages.

B)



My older daughter (20) has some stories to tell and isn't to impressed with many in her generation nor many in the U.W. system either.
Plus, one of my neighbors works for U.W. (billing dept) and she has already told a few 'interesting stories' which speaks volumes as well.
And let's just say it ain't just the students either.

Lordy, in 95' I changed jobs in the Army. This meant having to go to a new Advanced Training/Tech School/Job training(what ever a person wants to call it). It also meant having to deal with people who had just finished basic training. I ya yie, as bad as this sounds there was one base where damn near every single soldier coming from was utterly worthless. It was also the only one which (at the time at least) was co ed. As awful as this is to say I probably would have ended up shooting or at least beating the ever loving sh$t out of them had I gone to war with some of them.
I hope to God it has changed since.

But, rest assured my kids don't have their heads up their asses and at least most of their friends don't either.

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 05:49 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 19 September 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

I say it depends entirely on how old they are (i.e. when they went to college.) I can still remember decades ago when a college education was worthwhile; It actually meant something. Colleges were honorable places, professors were (for the most part) intelligent, honest purveyors of facts, college graduates tended to be better educated than everybody else, etc etc etc.

But nowadays? Pfffffft. Most colleges are nurseries that coddle snowflakes and censor as many facts as they can. Modern college diplomas are pretty much only good for wrapping fish or lining bird cages.

B)


I think it also depends on WHY they went to college. When we lived in Portland ORE** and were members of the hoity-toity Multnomah Athletic Club (MAC), the standing joke was that at least half the female members had an "M-R-S" degree; they went to the "right" colleges and enrolled in whatever-studies, just to be in the "right" place to find the "right" husband. One would think that meme would have fallen by the wayside in the '60s/'70s with women's lib and all, but apparently it's still going strong even with the recent generation. What's old is new again. Or, as the good book tells us, "there is nothing new under the sun".



** = Yeah, I know, it's supposed to be "Portland OR". Sounds too much to me like an interrogative: "Portland... OR...?"

Portland OR what?

Portland OR bust? Well, Portland IS known for strip clubs. Oregon isn't known as the "Beaver State" for nothing.

Portland OR else? Nah, Sounds too much like a stepmom saying "You'll eat your broccoli young man, or else."

SECOND greatest movie line ever, next to Casablanca, was in the otherwise dismissible Into The Night (1985):

"Are you CIA, or what?"

"I think I fall into the "Or What" category.




It's the flip side of guys getting a scholarship to play Football and then getting handed the most lightweight courses possible like Geology 101 aka "rocks for jocks" wherein the subject matter is almost as smart as the student is.

How much to BLAME the colleges? I dunno. At the top level / regents level, MUCH blame to go around. But at the administrator level? I dunno. If I was a college administrator and my job depended on keep the regents and/or major alumni donors happy? You can bet your ass that I could design a curriculum that would grant football player Johnnie or M-R-S candidate Joanna a BS degree (pun intended) in advanced navel-gazing. Yeah, sure, for $100K a pop I could let them party for 4 years and hand them a piece of paper at the end.

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Dog in the fight (full disclosure): several years ago I turned down a position with the "Technical College System of Georgia" as a "curriculum designer". Not for the above reasons, but because I didn't expect to be in GA that much longer (And yet, here I am, on a "6 months, tops" DoE project from 2013) Now, if FL ever offers me the same role, I am SO outta here (DoE be damned) faster than you can say "I-75". I *LIKE* technical colleges, but maybe a different topic.

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THAT SAID, There are SOME University programs that ARE worthwhile. MOSTLY STEM, if we remove psychology and "social "sciences" " from that definition. Want to design computer chips? Well, you're not going to learn it "on the job". Heck, most of the '00s, I contracted to Intel Corp in the Portland ORE area; I was the "low man on the totem pole" with (merely) an MS in Applied Physics. (An MS and $7.50 will get you a veggie-burger in the Intel cafeteria.) Most were at the PhD level; I doubt ANY were making less than 6-figures.

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