[MontyPython]

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

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That would sound fine, if it had come from a person "of good will". But it's pretty hypocritical (and hilariously ironical) coming from the very same person who also said white people "can't be reasonably expected to understand" non-white people:

You can't reasonably be expected understand the experience of living life as a black person in America.

So you keep saying. *yawn* It's true I will never understand the defeatist compulsion to spend my whole life playing a hopeless helpless victim. Well I've got the perfect theme song for you - It's from the old show "Hee Haw" and it goes:

Gloom, despair and agony on me
Deep dark depression, excessive misery
If it wasn't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all
Gloom, despair and agony on me

And in any case, as usual you dodged the point. Here it is again: You're the one who specifically stated that "people of good will can build community with one another - it's pretty easy, and happens quite a lot." And yet you directly contradict that assertion every time you declare no white person can ever understand "the experience of living life as a black person in America". Kinda difficult to "build community with one another" when you deliberately set yourself on the other side of a "social gap" and insist it can never be bridged.

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

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How can a person "build community with" another person who refuses to accept the first person's ability to understand the second person?

First, you have to be willing to try.

ROFL! Oh the incredibly hypocritical affectation.

You tell me I must be willing to try, and yet repeatedly declare I cannot possibly succeed no matter how much I might try, because I'm white and therefore can never "understand".

Are you drunk?

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

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And best (worst?) of all, you will undoubtedly be incapable of grasping, let alone admitting, your conspicuous self-contradiction.

FYI - That is not a demonstration of good will.

Aww...Need a hanky?

:comfort:

[Natural Selection]

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

You can't reasonably be expected understand the experience of living life as a black person in America.

I'm sure it sucks. Just don't blame Whitey. Blame the blacks who give your race a bad reputation. There's so many of them that most Whites just assume the blacks they see are part of the troublemakers until proven otherwise. The ball's in your court. We're doing just fine. It's your problem to solve. Just remember you can't legislate what people think. You must convince them in real life.

[Buckwheat Jones]

Blacks tell you you cannot understand what it’s like to be black, but they keep throwing it in our faces as though we are supposed to do something about it. What do they want?

[MontyPython]

Buckwheat Jones, on 12 October 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

Blacks tell you you cannot understand what it’s like to be black, but they keep throwing it in our faces as though we are supposed to do something about it. What do they want?

I won't speculate about what they all might or might not "want", but it's clear what The_Poster who makes that claim here at RN wants: He wants to be able to disavow any and all accountability for his own choices, his own failures or successes, his own shortcomings, his own personal efforts (or lack thereof) to overcome obstacles and make a better life. Nope, he wants to delude himself it's all "Whitey's" fault for "keeping him down".

:rolleyes:

[Ladybird]

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

I disagree.

There is a long history of Americans being made to feel ashamed of their physical attributes, regardless of their skin color - and there is nothing short of a museum's worth of examples of overtly racist memorabilia.

History? The former first lady was referred to as an ape in heels.

[Buckwheat Jones]

 Ladybird, on 12 October 2018 - 06:23 AM, said:

History? The former first lady was referred to as an ape in heels.

What would you like white people to do about that?

[corporal_little]

 That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 09:10 PM, said:

For a long time, black people were legally prohibited from participating fully in American life. By turning themselves into examples to be followed by the next generation of black Americans - which is something they have total control over - they are continuing the tradition of lifting our people up out of bondage and closer to achieving the dream of full equality (also known as the fight for freedom or the civil rights movement).

IMHO there is nothing wrong with them being proud of being role models for other black kids.

I’m white and I’m being a roll model for 6 kids. Their race doesn’t matter to me and my race doesn’t matter to them.

What you are advocating for is a kind of mental segregation and it’s the worst possible thing for all races.

[That_Guy]

Magic Rat, on 11 October 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

Nice Yelp search! However, theme restaurants bore me. But I'll be sure to give you a good tip if you deliver my pie in a reasonable amount of time.

Why do you still try to sell me that you are anything more than a phony hack? You know I won't believe you...

For the record, with all your posing and bull<censored>, I don't buy that you're really black. I know you troll on this site for jerk off fuel. I don't believe one thing you've ever posted, so save the crap for someone who is buying it.

[That_Guy]

MontyPython, on 11 October 2018 - 11:22 PM, said:

And in any case, as usual you dodged the point. Here it is again: You're the one who specifically stated that "people of good will can build community with one another - it's pretty easy, and happens quite a lot." And yet you directly contradict that assertion every time you declare no white person can ever understand "the experience of living life as a black person in America". Kinda difficult to "build community with one another" when you deliberately set yourself on the other side of a "social gap" and insist it can never be bridged.


You tell me I must be willing to try, and yet repeatedly declare I cannot possibly succeed no matter how much I might try, because I'm white and therefore can never "understand".

You've misunderstood.

The quote was, "You can't reasonably be expected understand the experience of living life as a black person in America." That doesn't mean you're incapable, it means expecting you to understand the experience of being black in America would be unreasonable.

[That_Guy]

Natural Selection, on 12 October 2018 - 01:00 AM, said:

I'm sure it sucks.

It doesn't...

Ladybird, on 11 October 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

Say it loud!!

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/james-brown-say-it-loud.jpg

...though you can't reasonably be expected to understand. ;)

[That_Guy]

MontyPython, on 12 October 2018 - 02:43 AM, said:

I won't speculate about what they all might or might not "want", but it's clear what The_Poster who makes that claim here at RN wants: He wants to be able to disavow any and all accountability for his own choices, his own failures or successes, his own shortcomings, his own personal efforts (or lack thereof) to overcome obstacles and make a better life. Nope, he wants to delude himself it's all "Whitey's" fault for "keeping him down".

Tell you what, buddy...

If you ever have the occasion to visit New York City, I'll give you a look at how I'm being "kept down" - but bring a jacket and tie because some of the places we'll visit have dress codes. ;)

Buckwheat Jones, on 12 October 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

What would you like white people to do about that?

As an individual white person, you could condemn it when you see it.

[That_Guy]

corporal_little, on 12 October 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

I’m white and I’m being a roll model for 6 kids. Their race doesn’t matter to me and my race doesn’t matter to them.

What you are advocating for is a kind of mental segregation and it’s the worst possible thing for all races.

By definition, you cannot be a role model for a black child; and deliberately choosing not to educate them on their/our peoples' tradition of struggling for equality in America is doing them a disservice.

[Buckwheat Jones]

 That_Guy, on 12 October 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

Tell you what, buddy...

If you ever have the occasion to visit New York City, I'll give you a look at how I'm being "kept down" - but bring a jacket and tie because some of the places we'll visit have dress codes. ;)



As an individual white person, you could condemn it when you see it.

Okay. You shouldn’t call black people apes. Is there anything else or are you satisfied now?

[zurg]

 Ladybird, on 11 October 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

Say it loud!!

OBAMA IS A RACIST SOCIALIST!!!

Thanks for asking.

[zurg]

 That_Guy, on 12 October 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

By definition, you cannot be a role model for a black child;

Wow.

Of course, Ladybird won’t comment and tell you that this comment you made is horrible and racist, because you guys have to stick to party line.

[That_Guy]

 zurg, on 12 October 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Wow.

Of course, Ladybird won’t comment and tell you that this comment you made is horrible and racist, because you guys have to stick to party line.

FYI - A black child cannot grow up to be a white adult.

[zurg]

 That_Guy, on 12 October 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

FYI - A black child cannot grow up to be a white adult.

Keep digging that racist hole deeper.

[Italian Biker]

That_Guy, on 11 October 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

Not his skin color, his life experience.

He can't reasonably be expected to understand the experience of living life as a black person in America.

You were the one who brought up his skin color as the factor in what someone can or cannot do. Are you saying that it is completely impossible to understand something just because you haven't experienced it. I understand it's dangerous to swim in a waterway with several crocodiles, but I've never swam around crocodiles, and purposely would not do it, even if in the position to do so, would you say I can't possibly understand the danger. I can just as easily claim that you can't possibly understand what is was like to live as a black person in America 70 to 80 years ago, assuming you're not 80 years old or more.

[RedSoloCup]

 Magic Rat, on 11 October 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

Nice Yelp search! However, theme restaurants bore me. But I'll be sure to give you a good tip if you deliver my pie in a reasonable amount of time.

Why do you still try to sell me that you are anything more than a phony hack? You know I won't believe you...

For the record, with all your posing and bull<censored>, I don't buy that you're really black. I know you troll on this site for jerk off fuel. I don't believe one thing you've ever posted, so save the crap for someone who is buying it.

:clap:

[Italian Biker]

That_Guy, on 12 October 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

By definition, you cannot be a role model for a black child; and deliberately choosing not to educate them on their/our peoples' tradition of struggling for equality in America is doing them a disservice.

Are you serious. Number one, he said himself and these kids don't care each other's race. Secondly, how or where did he say he was choosing not to educate them on history, and maybe their interactions do not pertain to that history? Thirdly, I don't believe the definition of role model includes any mention of skin color.
And who the hell are you to say that any black child can't have a role model of his or her choosing because that role model maybe white. If a black child wants to be any given profession, and a white person of that profession is mentoring that child, why can't you accept it. How would you feel if one of us said a black adult can't be a role model for young whites? For years, blacks have been claiming whites don't do enough for the black community, and here you have someone doing something positive and you're belittling it. You fricken hypocrite.