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#1 User is offline   Liz 

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  Posted 15 May 2017 - 02:16 AM

Trump May Be The Real 'Smart Cookie' On North Korea After All

Washington Examiner
by Jamie McIntyre
May 15, 2017, 12:01 AM

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President Trump faced bipartisan condemnation when he called North Korea's brutal dictator "a smart cookie" and suggested it would be an "honor" to meet with Kim Jong Un face-to-face to try to resolve the impasse over his unconstrained pursuit of the capability to threaten the U.S. with nuclear weapons.

Take, for example, Sen. Lindsey Graham's withering criticism.

"I'd find it very hard for me to sit down across the table from the guy who makes Bashar al-Assad look like a choirboy," Graham said on CNN this month. "If you understand what he does to his own people, you'd be repugnant (sic) to be in the same room."

But some foreign policy experts argue that after the abject failure of three successive presidential administrations, Trump's overture to Kim — however distasteful to some — may be just the ticket to avoiding the collision course that could result in a costly second Korean war. That possibility became even more clear on Saturday, when a North Korean diplomat said Pyongyang is willing to hold talks with Washington "under the right conditions," South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported, although the statement came out a day before the regime launched yet another missile.

If the U.S. were to take steps toward direct negotiations, it has to take a certain set of conditions for granted, one expert said.

"North Korea has come to believe that nuclear weapons are its only protection," wrote Eric Li, a political scientist based in Shanghai.

"The fate of Moammar Gaddafi, who had given up Libya's nuclear weapons program in exchange for the lifting of American-led economic sanctions, is not lost on the North," Li wrote in an opinion piece this month in The Washington Post. "Obama sided with Arab Spring insurgents after Gaddafi's violent crackdown on them, and the Libyan leader died on a desert highway, trying to escape the rebels."

Li argues the critical mistake made by both the Bush and Obama administrations is the simultaneous pursuit of two conflicting goals: the immediate denuclearization of the Korean peninsula and eventual toppling of the communist government.

Trump's Secretary of State Rex Tillerson made clear that the U.S. now has a single goal of convincing Kim that for him to retain his grip on power, he must give up his nuclear arsenal.

"Our goal is not regime change. Nor do we desire to threaten the North Korean people or destabilize the Asia-Pacific region," Tillerson said at the United Nations last month. "We look forward to resuming our contributions once the DPRK begins to dismantle its nuclear weapons and missile technology programs."

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 03:00 AM

THe number of times I've read "well, Trump was right after all" is starting to rival, in its predictability, the "unexpected" excuse after the release of every economic report from 2009-2016
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 07:59 AM

The media just may as well make a stamp that reads, "trump was right, dagnabbit."
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 09:17 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.

You are the one who doesn't understand.

Trump extends an invitation for talks. He goes for the diplomatic route extensively. No one can say he isn't trying that first. But note the difference from Obama: he's not buying them off with $400M in exchange for prisoners and letting them continue centrifuge development and missile launch development. No - his carrot is that they can continue their governing approach, minus nuclear weapons and missiles. No caving in on that goal.

If the diplomatic approach doesn't work, then NK have sealed their fate. And the ROW can't complain.

What's not smart about that?
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 10:37 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.

It's not that he hasn't shown any results it's that you don't want him to get any results...Because that would show President Trump in a positive light

Can't have that
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 11:16 AM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.


Ever done this to a dog(training)?

Held a treat on one hand and nothing in the other and let the dog decide?
Guess what almost always happens, it takes the treat then comes back and checks the empty hand to see if there is something more. Always trying to push the envelope.

But one the other hand, if one hand has a treat and the other is something the dog doesn't like or knows that it will be disciplined it won't even bother. It will take what it can get and be happy with it. It may come back later trying to beg for more, but sure as hell it won't try to push it because it knows what will happen if it does.

North Korea never had to worry about consequences before, know they do.

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 11:54 AM

View PostLiz, on 15 May 2017 - 02:16 AM, said:

"The fate of Moammar Gaddafi, who had given up Libya's nuclear weapons program in exchange for the lifting of American-led economic sanctions, is not lost on the North," Li wrote in an opinion piece this month in The Washington Post. "Obama sided with Arab Spring insurgents after Gaddafi's violent crackdown on them, and the Libyan leader died on a desert highway, trying to escape the rebels."



Gaddafi put on a happy face for the world knowing that he was on borrowed time. He was also doing the world a favor by crushing the "insurgents" in his country. 0bama illegally used our military to overthrow Gaddafi for his Muslim butt-buddies. No question about that.

We would not have the threat of a nuclear North Korea if Bill Clinton and Al Gore had not sold state and military secrets for a couple of lousy campaign bucks. North Korea is not developing nukes to defend itself. North Korea has this fantasy that they are a global power that can bully even the Chinese and Russians.

What Trump is doing is smart. He is being direct and decisive to that pudge-bucket's face. He got the Chinese on board. The Chinese are working their own angle. The Russians just chimed in. North Korea now faces multiple diplomatic fronts.

The Norks have plenty of options. They can make a deal or they can go running to their allies for protection. Whichever direction North Korea goes will result in nuclear deterrence. Undoubtedly, this is driving libtards nuts. Not naming names... but refer to a post above.
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:11 PM

View Postfirecoco, on 15 May 2017 - 10:37 AM, said:

It's not that he hasn't shown any results it's that you don't want him to get any results...Because that would show President Trump in a positive light

Can't have that


:rolleyes:

What results has Trump shown on North Korea?

That's not on me, that is the fact of the matter.
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:24 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

:rolleyes:

What results has Trump shown on North Korea?

That's not on me, that is the fact of the matter.

He apparently got China to go along.

He apparently got a NK official to speak with US officials off the record.

He's positioned the US well strategically to deal with either diplomacy or "other methods".
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:31 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 12:11 PM, said:

:rolleyes:

What results has Trump shown on North Korea?

That's not on me, that is the fact of the matter.

I feel The Wolfs warning from Pulp Fiction coming on.
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:41 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.


Nothing has been accomplished, but the lack of talks certainly hasn't helped.

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"The fate of Moammar Gaddafi, who had given up Libya's nuclear weapons program in exchange for the lifting of American-led economic sanctions, is not lost on the North," Li wrote in an opinion piece this month in The Washington Post. "Obama sided with Arab Spring insurgents after Gaddafi's violent crackdown on them, and the Libyan leader died on a desert highway, trying to escape the rebels."


Time for a reality check - Obama made the world a much less safe place by his actions.



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Posted 15 May 2017 - 01:05 PM

View PostAntonToo, on 15 May 2017 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ohh isn't that cute?

Clinton, Bush and Obama failed because they weren't nice enough to NK dictators and didn't say how much honor their presence is worth...
:biglaugh:

Jesus, Trumpsters will fall for anything. Time for a reality check - Trump has ZERO results on NK issue.


Games still early sparky, how much money did Clinton and Obama pay to the North Koreans so they wouldn't build a nuke (they did anyway_)

http://nypost.com/20...h-koreas-nukes/

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For all this, thank Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. North Korea couldn’t have done it without their gullibility. Back in 1994, President Clinton prepared to confront North Korea over CIA reports it had built nuclear warheads and its subsequent threats to engulf Japan and South Korea in “a sea of fire.”

Enter self-appointed peacemaker Carter: The ex-prez scurried off to Pyongyang and negotiated a sellout deal that gave North Korea two new reactors and $5 billion in aid in return for a promise to quit seeking nukes.

Clinton embraced this appeasement as achieving “an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula” — with compliance verified by international inspectors. Carter wound up winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his dubious efforts.

But in 2002, the North Koreans ’fessed up: They’d begun violating the accord on Day One. Four years later, Pyongyang detonated its first nuke.



http://www.cnn.com/2...a-nuclear-deal/

http://www.cnn.com/2...e---fast-facts/

So your Messiah's have done nothing more than provide them the materials to create the nukes, and the missiles. (if we are feeding their people then those same resources can be used in other programs like nuke's and missiles). (it's called opportunity costs.)



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