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#1 User is offline   Liz 

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  Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:11 AM

Voter Fraud Concerns Hang Over Gov Races In Virginia, New Jersey

Thousands of noncitizens have been found on the rolls in both states, and no one knows how many more there may be

PoliZette
by Brendan Kirby
Updated 07 Nov 2017 at 2:09 PM

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A potentially messy fight over absentee ballots in Atlantic City, New Jersey, highlights Election Day concerns Tuesday about the possibility of fraudulent voting.

The Atlantic City mayoral race — which went to court Monday — turns on absentee ballots, which elections experts say is the easiest part of the voting system to exploit. In addition to organized fraud, however, some experts contend America’s failure to safeguard voter rolls creates the potential to influence the outcome of very close elections.

This is especially true in two closely watched states, Virginia and New Jersey. The Public Interest Legal Foundation has uncovered thousands of noncitizens who have been illegally registered to vote, including hundreds who have cast ballots.

"Yes, noncitizens are going to vote in this election," said Logan Churchwell, a spokesman for the election-integrity watchdog. "And some of them might do it in a completely innocent, naïve way."

The Atlantic City race pits incumbent Republican Don Guardian against City Councilman Frank Gilliam, the Democratic challenger. The Guardian campaign has objected to what it alleges is widespread fraud. On Monday, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer, New Jersey Superior Court Judge Julio Mendez ordered the Board of Elections to preserve all documentation associated with the mail ballots. But he denied a request by Guardian to be present when the board reviews the 6,100 mail-in ballots.

The newspaper reported that the election board met Monday evening to review ballots flagged by its staff. The Guardian campaign challenged 101 voters registered to a needle-exchange program, along with voters the campaign alleges were not properly registered to vote. In addition, the campaign contends voters named on a list 61 pages long received undisclosed assistance.

The Inquirer reported last week that Guardian hired two private detectives, who sent an informant with a recorder to volunteer for the Gilliam campaign, helping with an absentee ballot drive. The informant turned a requested absentee ballot in to a Democratic operative rather than taking it to the voter, and received a $30 fee.

The Gilliam campaign has accused Guardian of "desperation."

Churchwell said absentee voting is the weakest link in the voting system because many states have few safeguards to prevent fraud.

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Churchwell acknowledged that these numbers are small compared to the total number of registered voters. They are more likely to sway close local elections and statewide contests with millions of voters. But he noted that Democrat Mark Herring defeated Republican Mark Obenshain by fewer than 1,000 votes out of almost 2.2 million cast in the 2013 Virginia attorney general's race.

Given the state's history with close races, Churchwell said, the reaction of Virginia officials to documented illegal voters is disturbing. He said officials have downplayed the issue by noting that the noncitizen voters have been removed from the rolls.

"Virginia's response to our report is, 'Hey, the system's working,'" he said.

But Churchwell said the illegal voters came to light only because they asked to be removed. He said it is impossible to know how many noncitizens might be registered — and voting — who have not voluntarily come forward.

Churchwell said the voting by noncitizens could trigger cancellation of their legal immigration status. That is why it is unconscionable for state officials to tolerate and even encourage noncitizens to register to vote, he said. That is true even if ballots cast by ineligible voters are unlikely to change the outcome of most elections.

"Tell that to them at their deportation hearing," he said.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:01 AM

There's no such thing as voter fraud, and if there is, it never influences the outcome of any election ever.

Nothing to see here.

Move along.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:47 AM

How close were Tuesday's races? I had been told that these were going to be a huge juggernaut for Trump. Was there that much fraud, or is the country more evenly divided that some of my dear friends thought? (Or will we ever know?)
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 03:17 PM

View PostWag-a-Muffin (D), on 08 November 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

How close were Tuesday's races? I had been told that these were going to be a huge juggernaut for Trump. Was there that much fraud, or is the country more evenly divided that some of my dear friends thought? (Or will we ever know?)

Not sure about NJ, but VA did what it's been doing for a while now: became more blue. This shouldn't be surprising as it isn't new and because their governor legalized felon voting, and traditionally criminals are a favored Democrat demographic.
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:05 PM

View PostModerator T, on 08 November 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Not sure about NJ, but VA did what it's been doing for a while now: became more blue. This shouldn't be surprising as it isn't new and because their governor legalized felon voting, and traditionally criminals are a favored Democrat demographic.

And let's not forget, Terry McAuliffe, Virginia's outgoing governor, is a close friend and associate of America's Number 1 crime family, the Clintons.
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:05 AM

View PostLiz, on 08 November 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

And let's not forget, Terry McAuliffe, Virginia's outgoing governor, is a close friend and associate of America's Number 1 crime family, the Clintons.


I don't call that Clinton Crony, "McAwful" for nothing.

He belongs in the same prison cell with Bill and Hill.
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:19 AM

YA THINK? :blink:

The Obamunist was the lowest polling and least popular president within the last 100 years and was the only one that EVER got re-elected under those circumstances?

Of course it's voter fraud when these widely hated politicians get re-elected!
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:57 AM

Maybe it was juniors fault. He twice told voters to vote for Gillespie on the wrong day.

http://www.independe...n-a8043951.html
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 07:33 PM

I have a question regarding a sentence in the topic-article. Here's the paragraph with the sentence highlighted in bold:

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… Churchwell acknowledged that these numbers are small compared to the total number of registered voters. They are more likely to sway close local elections and statewide contests with millions of voters. But he noted that Democrat Mark Herring defeated Republican Mark Obenshain by fewer than 1,000 votes out of almost 2.2 million cast in the 2013 Virginia attorney general's race…

Should that read:

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They are more likely to sway close local elections THAN statewide contests with millions of voters.

I think, in context, that would be a more logical observation.
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Posted 10 November 2017 - 08:04 PM

View PostLiz, on 08 November 2017 - 05:05 PM, said:

And let's not forget, Terry McAuliffe, Virginia's outgoing governor, is a close friend and associate of America's Number 1 crime family, the Clintons.

I guess we can refer to him as "The Soon to Be Late" Terry McAuliffe.
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