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  Posted 28 November 2017 - 03:41 PM

Australian police foil New Year’s Eve terror
Jana J. Pruet
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The Blaze.com
11/28/17

Police in Australia foiled a plot to commit mass murder on New Year’s Eve in one of Melbourne’s most popular areas to ring in the new year.

Officials arrested Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20, Monday for “preparing to commit a terrorist attack and gathering documents to facilitate a terrorist act,” according to Australia’s ABC News. An Australian court formally charged Ali on Tuesday.

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Authorities said Ali intended to shoot and “kill as many people as he could” in Federation Square on New Year’s Eve, one of Melbourne’s most popular areas, Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton told ABC. Last year, nearly 500,000 people gathered there for New Year’s festivities.

Ali is an Australian citizen with Somalian parents, ABC reported.

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Whoa, wait a minute. This must be a lie because:

1. Muslims are peaceful.
2. Guns are banned in Australia.
3. Public events are "no gun" areas.

The most logical response is to ban guns and import more muslims, right? Whatever you do don't share this story with a liberal friend.

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 04:52 PM

View Postvectorsrule, on 28 November 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Australian police foil New Year’s Eve terror
Jana J. Pruet
SR. STAFF WRITER
The Blaze.com
11/28/17

Police in Australia foiled a plot to commit mass murder on New Year’s Eve in one of Melbourne’s most popular areas to ring in the new year.

Officials arrested Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20, Monday for “preparing to commit a terrorist attack and gathering documents to facilitate a terrorist act,” according to Australia’s ABC News. An Australian court formally charged Ali on Tuesday.

Special: Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin are on fire this year
Authorities said Ali intended to shoot and “kill as many people as he could” in Federation Square on New Year’s Eve, one of Melbourne’s most popular areas, Deputy Commissioner Shane Patton told ABC. Last year, nearly 500,000 people gathered there for New Year’s festivities.

Ali is an Australian citizen with Somalian parents, ABC reported.

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Whoa, wait a minute. This must be a lie because:

1. Muslims are peaceful.
2. Guns are banned in Australia.
3. Public events are "no gun" areas.

The most logical response is to ban guns and import more muslims, right? Whatever you do don't share this story with a liberal friend.




Good points, Australia is a favorite example of 'what to do about guns' by the anti gun left. Where was he going to get all the guns from?
After all isn't Australia an Island where they can check every single ship and plane coming in?

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Posted 28 November 2017 - 06:07 PM

Guns aren't banned in Australia. Myth.
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Posted 28 November 2017 - 06:35 PM

View Postvectorsrule, on 28 November 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Australian police foil New Year’s Eve terror
Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20

Would never have guessed it was a Muslim
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Posted 28 November 2017 - 10:05 PM

View Postzurg, on 28 November 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

Would never have guessed it was a Muslim

When I saw the post title, I was sure it was one of those uppity Mennonites
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:59 PM

View Postscotsman, on 28 November 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

Guns aren't banned in Australia. Myth.


That is true, but is it so difficult to legally obtain one that a criminal can safely assume that a potential victim will not be armed?
By the way it isn't illegal to own a gun in Japan either, it's just very expensive and difficult, much the same though any criminal can safely assume a victim will not be armed.

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View PostHowsithangin, on 28 November 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

When I saw the post title, I was sure it was one of those uppity Mennonites


I was gonna' say Amish, deranged beard system(D.B.S.) is a real problem ya' know....

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:08 PM

View Postoki, on 29 November 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

That is true, but is it so difficult to legally obtain one that a criminal can safely assume that a potential victim will not be armed?
By the way it isn't illegal to own a gun in Japan either, it's just very expensive and difficult, much the same though any criminal can safely assume a victim will not be armed.

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I was gonna' say Amish, deranged beard system(D.B.S.) is a real problem ya' know....

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Remember that recent POS article by some radio motormouth that some RN'er posted?. As the Aussies replying to Mr Mouth pointed out, that despite the clearly kneejerk, bad laws on the books, gun ownership in Australia esp places like NSW (where I have gun owning relatives) is actually UP.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:18 PM

View Postscotsman, on 29 November 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:

Remember that recent POS article by some radio motormouth that some RN'er posted?. As the Aussies replying to Mr Mouth pointed out, that despite the clearly kneejerk, bad laws on the books, gun ownership in Australia esp places like NSW (where I have gun owning relatives) is actually UP.



Is gun ownership common enough that a criminal can assume a potential victim to be armed or un armed? Ownership may be up, but is it up enough to dissuade criminals and terrorists? What city do you think a criminal would choose for a home invasion or even attacking someone on the street , New York City, London, Melbourne or Kennesaw Georgia(United States). Explain why the decision.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:27 PM

View Postoki, on 29 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Is gun ownership common enough that a criminal can assume a potential victim to be armed or un armed? Ownership may be up, but is it up enough to dissuade criminals and terrorists? What city do you think a criminal would choose for a home invasion or even attacking someone on the street , New York City, London, Melbourne or Kennesaw Georgia(United States). Explain why the decision.

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Do you think 'ownership' deters criminals and terrorists?

These are not rational people.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 05:39 PM

View Postoki, on 29 November 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Is gun ownership common enough that a criminal can assume a potential victim to be armed or un armed? Ownership may be up, but is it up enough to dissuade criminals and terrorists? What city do you think a criminal would choose for a home invasion or even attacking someone on the street , New York City, London, Melbourne or Kennesaw Georgia(United States). Explain why the decision.

Oki


If a nation does not own guns or have guns at the centre of its culture like the US, that does not make it inferior, weak or stupid. It just is. Some things are more part of a nation's culture than others. End of.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 07:48 PM

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Officials arrested Ali Khalif Shire Ali, 20,


Those Amish are pesky and persistent rascals.
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:43 PM

View Postscotsman, on 29 November 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

If a nation does not own guns or have guns at the centre of its culture like the US, that does not make it inferior, weak or stupid. It just is. Some things are more part of a nation's culture than others. End of.


Aren't issues with crime and how they are dealt with just as much a reflection of a society? Again, What city do you think a criminal would choose for a home invasion or even attacking someone on the street , New York City, London, Melbourne or Kennesaw Georgia(United States). Explain why the decision.
How a nation allows it's citizens to deal with criminals and defend against them is also a reflection of it as much as anything as well.

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 08:52 PM

View PostSARGE, on 29 November 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Do you think 'ownership' deters criminals and terrorists?

These are not rational people.


It's not a guarantee of coarse, but so far I have not heard of one single mass shooting or terrorist attack where they can be sure that victims are armed. People think Japans low crime rate is due to legal gun ownership being next to non existent, truth is it's neither accepted in society and the prison system is amongst the harshest on the planet. IN all crime categories(except sex crimes) their recidivism rate is a fraction of what ours is. This despite the fact that their system is in no way shape or form based on rehabilitation, it's all about structure, discipline(to the point of not even being able to sit on your bed) and punish you for your crime. IE there is no street cred for being a thug, and there is no early release. Hell, if anything being rich and famous will probably net you a harsher term.


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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:48 AM

View Postscotsman, on 28 November 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

Guns aren't banned in Australia. Myth.


Semi auto rifles are illegal and the Govt required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. So for all intents and purposes guns are banned. If an average citizen can't own what the military has, and doesn't have a "genuine reason" then they won't have a gun. That is a ban. Although, though twisted logic you can be technically correct. Claiming it is a myth is absurd.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 08:58 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 29 November 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

Those Amish are pesky and persistent rascals.

All that butter churning can really mess with the mind, ya know.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:00 AM

View Postvectorsrule, on 30 November 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Semi auto rifles are illegal and the Govt required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. So for all intents and purposes guns are banned. If an average citizen can't own what the military has, and doesn't have a "genuine reason" then they won't have a gun. That is a ban. Although, though twisted logic you can be technically correct. Claiming it is a myth is absurd.


Very good point. A lot like saying black people could vote way back when, but then failing to mention the poll taxes, 'tests' and all the other 'requirements' only they had to meet.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 10:04 AM

View Posterp, on 30 November 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

All that butter churning can really mess with the mind, ya know.



Funny you should mention this.... Just before the opening of deer season me and a buddy went out to the Amish community near Bonduel Wisconsin to fill some propane tanks and boy oh boy you should have seen the anger from the Amish working at the country store and guy filling our tanks. I thought for sure the young lady working in the store was going to crack us over the head with a butter churn at any moment!

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:44 AM

View Postoki, on 30 November 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

Very good point. A lot like saying black people could vote way back when, but then failing to mention the poll taxes, 'tests' and all the other 'requirements' only they had to meet.

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Exactly. Or in Tuskegee Study where people claimed the government gave black men syphilis. I've heard the response is the Govt didn't GIVE these men syphilis, but failed to treat them, or notify them, to see how the illness progressed. MMM, kind of splitting hairs. For all intents and purposes the Govt was responsible. When you have to resort to semantics, you've lost the debate.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 12:11 PM

View Postvectorsrule, on 30 November 2017 - 11:44 AM, said:

Exactly. Or in Tuskegee Study where people claimed the government gave black men syphilis. I've heard the response is the Govt didn't GIVE these men syphilis, but failed to treat them, or notify them, to see how the illness progressed. MMM, kind of splitting hairs. For all intents and purposes the Govt was responsible. When you have to resort to semantics, you've lost the debate.


Yup. When something is INTENTIONALLY made difficult or EXPENSIVE to legally own, participate in, or exercise use of it, it essentially causes a de facto ban but still allows people to say it isn't actually banned. If the government decided to impose a $50,000 vehicle tax, background checks, psychological tests and a good reason to have one test they could claim it isn't a ban, but damn well the goal would be to stop private vehicle ownership.

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 05:22 PM

View Postvectorsrule, on 30 November 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Semi auto rifles are illegal and the Govt required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. So for all intents and purposes guns are banned. If an average citizen can't own what the military has, and doesn't have a "genuine reason" then they won't have a gun. That is a ban. Although, though twisted logic you can be technically correct. Claiming it is a myth is absurd.


Nope. The blanket statement guns are banned in Australia or the UK or anywhere is quite simply false. There may be bad laws, there may be restrictions (your country has restrictions as well), but to say guns are banned is simply false. Now we can debate whats legal and whats not, we can debate the laws, but guns are not banned in Australia. End of. Some may be, some are not. The only twisting of logic is yours.

So I am correct to state 'guns are banned in Australia' is a myth.
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