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  Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:50 AM

Like the Cubans Before Them, Venezuelan Exiles Are Transforming Florida Politics



https://www.wsj.com
By José de Córdoba and Arian Campo-Flores
Updated Dec. 4, 2017



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One August day, hundreds of Venezuelans packed the pews at a local church to hear Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Marco Rubio preach against Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and pledge to help restore democracy in the oil-rich nation.

“We will not stand by as Venezuela crumbles,” said Mr. Pence. “Libertad! Libertad!” many in the crowd shouted, waving tricolor Venezuelan yellow, blue and red flags, and giving the Republican officials standing ovations.

Tens of thousands of Venezuelans, pushed by a failed economy and repression back home, are finding their way to South Florida. Their growing numbers and Venezuela’s dramatic implosion could tip the political balance in this crucial swing state, where presidential elections are decided by the thinnest of margins.

Little Caracas

More than a third of Venezuelans living in the U.S. are in the Miami area.

The arrival of the Venezuelans echoes an earlier era when Cuban exiles fleeing Fidel Castro’s Communist regime settled in Miami decades ago. Eventually they morphed into Cuban-Americans and organized themselves into a potent economic and political force, particularly for the Republican Party.

Venezuela’s meltdown, and the regime’s Cuban connection—Cuba’s President Raúl Castro remains Mr. Maduro’s closest ally and adviser—have focused the imagination of U.S. politicians of both parties. Many believe Venezuelan-Americans could develop into a powerful and perhaps captive voting bloc.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:28 AM

Leftists will probably say that they're not real refugees and haven't been sufficiently vetted.... but it has nothing to do with politics.... :whistling:
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:29 AM

I know several Venezuelans in Florida. They are good people who just want to live their lives like Americans. They are all working, paying taxes, not committing crimes or looking for welfare. They are SICK at what has happened to their country, which is in fact now happening to ours.

I would be surprised if the US is not exactly like Venezuela in about 25-50 years. It's only a matter of time before we go down the road of full blown Socialism. Nearly every left wing friend I have is pushing it to the max without a clue of what it really means. The "educated" ones are the worst.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:38 AM

View Postvectorsrule, on 04 December 2017 - 11:29 AM, said:

I know several Venezuelans in Florida. They are good people who just want to live their lives like Americans. They are all working, paying taxes, not committing crimes or looking for welfare. They are SICK at what has happened to their country, which is in fact now happening to ours.

I would be surprised if the US is not exactly like Venezuela in about 25-50 years. It's only a matter of time before we go down the road of full blown Socialism. Nearly every left wing friend I have is pushing it to the max without a clue of what it really means. The "educated" ones are the worst.


The worst part is that because this country is so wealthy, the horrible effects of socialism won't show up right away, because our leaders will just keep borrowing from the future. Until, one day, its reckoning time. The US economy will crash and the rest of the world will be whining and moaning right alongside Americans, and no one in power will admit the truth. That the world actually NEEDS a free market engine like the USA in order to continue to make progress and prosper.

People who favor socialism and all these expensive social programs are complete and utter idiots. Whom other idiots elect into office. Because we are "democratic".
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 11:56 AM

I remember predicting the fall of Venezuela when Chavez instituted price controls and allowed the "workers" to take over land illegally. It was the same, almost exact, path that Zimbabwe had gone down. My liberal friends were saying I was just being negative and I insisted I was being a realist. Of course the liberals loved Chavez but I have been proven right. At least my liberal friends have seen the failure of Venezuela and many have admitted that I was right in my prediction.

Venezuela is ruined. It will take decades if not half a century to get back to where they were, one of the most prosperous nations in the Americas. They are so far into debt and have trashed the agricultural industry which alone will take at least a decade to get back to pre-Chavez levels.

From the current situation they can go one of two way. A Zimbabwe bloodless coup or a violent revolution. They way things are going I am thinking it will get a lot worse before either one those things happen. The government has taken away all the guns from the citizens and revolutions from those take a lot more time. They will have to import some guns, then kill some soldiers to get more guns and ammo and the revolution will build slowly. In the US a revolution would be very fast and decisive as the citizens are well armed and have lots of ammo.

At any rate it had been fun to watch the leftists fail big time. Leftists have very little understanding of economics. I think that economics is hard wired into the brain and conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to economics. Liberals run on emotions and fell good policies that have nothing to do with common sense.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:15 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 04 December 2017 - 11:56 AM, said:

I remember predicting the fall of Venezuela when Chavez instituted price controls and allowed the "workers" to take over land illegally. It was the same, almost exact, path that Zimbabwe had gone down. My liberal friends were saying I was just being negative and I insisted I was being a realist. Of course the liberals loved Chavez but I have been proven right. At least my liberal friends have seen the failure of Venezuela and many have admitted that I was right in my prediction.

Venezuela is ruined. It will take decades if not half a century to get back to where they were, one of the most prosperous nations in the Americas. They are so far into debt and have trashed the agricultural industry which alone will take at least a decade to get back to pre-Chavez levels.

From the current situation they can go one of two way. A Zimbabwe bloodless coup or a violent revolution. They way things are going I am thinking it will get a lot worse before either one those things happen. The government has taken away all the guns from the citizens and revolutions from those take a lot more time. They will have to import some guns, then kill some soldiers to get more guns and ammo and the revolution will build slowly. In the US a revolution would be very fast and decisive as the citizens are well armed and have lots of ammo.

At any rate it had been fun to watch the leftists fail big time. Leftists have very little understanding of economics. I think that economics is hard wired into the brain and conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to economics. Liberals run on emotions and fell good policies that have nothing to do with common sense.


A lot of leftists don't understand economics because they don't know how money works because they do not work. Their money magically appears in their bank account once a month. They get their money from the government, either a do nothing government job or some form of welfare, or a trust fund.

They don't understand about growing the economic pie. I know of a trust funder who broke off his engagement when he found out any children he fathered would get a share of "his" money once they turned 18.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 01:24 PM

View PostJoe the Pagan, on 04 December 2017 - 01:15 PM, said:

A lot of leftists don't understand economics because they don't know how money works because they do not work. Their money magically appears in their bank account once a month. They get their money from the government, either a do nothing government job or some form of welfare, or a trust fund.

They don't understand about growing the economic pie. I know of a trust funder who broke off his engagement when he found out any children he fathered would get a share of "his" money once they turned 18.


I was reading some college stuff the other day and the left it trying to co-opt the acronym STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) with STEAM (A for Arts). An art degree is worthless but shows how desperate the left is to try and convince the rest of the world that there is lots of money to be made in the arts. Arts degrees are pretty worthless but liberals love them. They are easy to get and as my wife says anyone can get one. Liberals just want people to spend money for worthless degrees that will never return near the amount of money that then will spend to get it. This is typical liberal economics. Spend money to get a worthless degree.

There are signs everywhere that says don't feed the animals. The animals will get used to having food delivered to them and will lose the ability to hunt on their own. The same principle can be used to for humans. Don't feed the humans or they will lose the ability to go out and get jobs to feed themselves.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:23 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 04 December 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

I was reading some college stuff the other day and the left it trying to co-opt the acronym STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) with STEAM (A for Arts). An art degree is worthless but shows how desperate the left is to try and convince the rest of the world that there is lots of money to be made in the arts. Arts degrees are pretty worthless but liberals love them. They are easy to get and as my wife says anyone can get one. Liberals just want people to spend money for worthless degrees that will never return near the amount of money that then will spend to get it. This is typical liberal economics. Spend money to get a worthless degree.

There are signs everywhere that says don't feed the animals. The animals will get used to having food delivered to them and will lose the ability to hunt on their own. The same principle can be used to for humans. Don't feed the humans or they will lose the ability to go out and get jobs to feed themselves.


Ok, I have to disagree. Arts degrees are not all worthless. Technically, Economics is an Arts degree. History and political science are arts degrees. Psychology, philosophy, and yes, art, literature, music and such. There are a lot of talented people who can do great things with these degrees. I agree a lot of art degrees in gender and race and ethnic studies and some of the programs progressives are pumping out now are worthless, but calling into question classical courses of study and degrees I don't believe is correct either.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 03:49 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 04 December 2017 - 01:24 PM, said:

I was reading some college stuff the other day and the left it trying to co-opt the acronym STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) with STEAM (A for Arts). An art degree is worthless but shows how desperate the left is to try and convince the rest of the world that there is lots of money to be made in the arts. Arts degrees are pretty worthless but liberals love them. They are easy to get and as my wife says anyone can get one. Liberals just want people to spend money for worthless degrees that will never return near the amount of money that then will spend to get it. This is typical liberal economics. Spend money to get a worthless degree.

There are signs everywhere that says don't feed the animals. The animals will get used to having food delivered to them and will lose the ability to hunt on their own. The same principle can be used to for humans. Don't feed the humans or they will lose the ability to go out and get jobs to feed themselves.


Sounds similar to what happened in one of the early American Utopian communities a group realized they could get out of working the fields by proclaiming music was just as important as bread for man's survival. So they started a band, and spent all day practicing.

STEM takes work. Get your sums wrong or write buggy code and you accomplished nothing. With modern art you can take 2 seconds, scribble on a piece of paper, and that is art. Add some post-modern obscurantism and now it has meaning. If you can't understand my mumbojumbo it is your fault for not being smart enough or enlightened enough.

I know a women who's daughter a few years ago got her theater arts degree. Every few months the mother posts about her daughter getting a part in a move. It is always things like 7th person in crowd, or 2nd woman at 3rd table on the left.

Children are told if they want to be writer get and English degree and the Pulitzer is theirs. if they want to be an actor they need a theater arts degree, and the Oscar is theirs. If someone wants to be the next sports star they get told how improbable it is and they need a college degree to fall back on.

I know of young man who wanted to become a documentary film maker. He was told he needed a film studies degree. He found his classes watching documentary films and discussing them. The same thing he was already doing, but now he was paying for it.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:28 PM

View PostWeaseljd, on 04 December 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

Ok, I have to disagree. Arts degrees are not all worthless. Technically, Economics is an Arts degree. History and political science are arts degrees. Psychology, philosophy, and yes, art, literature, music and such. There are a lot of talented people who can do great things with these degrees. I agree a lot of art degrees in gender and race and ethnic studies and some of the programs progressives are pumping out now are worthless, but calling into question classical courses of study and degrees I don't believe is correct either.


I'll go 50/50. Arts degrees are not necessarily "worthless", but there's nowhere NEAR the $Tangible$ connection between degree and earning power as with STEM.

ME? Foot-in-the door was BS Industrial Engineering. 100% of my earnings come from having had that. MS Applied Physics because it was interesting and, more importantly, the German company I was working for paid for it :) but it didn't really add anything to my paycheck. Currently pursing a JM in Business Law at Emory. I also don't expect that to be "worth it" - I've no desire to be a Lawyer, and I don't think that (only) a JM will get you there anyway; I just want the "bragging rights" and a piece of paper that vouches that I know something about the law.

Next up would probably be world history or antiquities. Purely for fun. If I can find the right program. I wouldn't expect to make a nickel off it.

CONTRAST WITH: I've mentioned before, counselor within my church organization (Board certifiedAACC). Mostly PTSD type stuff.

To do EXACTLY the same thing as a "civilian"? In most places I'd need at least a Master's in "Social Work" which would then qualify me to start out by leading "group counseling" session... for $12/hr. (Have I mentioned that my professional rate as an engineer is $260/hr? And I would presume that as a JD you're at least in that ballpark.) F## that, I'd rather GIVE it away, and give it away on My Church Organization's terms.
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