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  Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:16 AM

Orders to seize guns from prohibited buyers at 10-year high: report

MALLORY SHELBOURNE
The Hill
12/4/17

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The number of orders issued to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to take back guns reached a 10-year high last year, according to an investigation published Monday by USA Today.

The FBI provided ATF agents with 4,000 directives to take guns back from individuals who should not have been able to purchase the weapons due to mental health problems, criminal backgrounds or other concerns.

"These are people who shouldn't have weapons in the first place, and it just takes one to do something that could have tragic consequences," former ATF official David Chipman told the newspaper. "You don't want ATF to stand for 'after the fact.'"

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:54 AM

What we need are more laws to help plug the gaps left by poor enforcement of these old laws. :And if that doesn't work, then we make even more laws.

Do-loop defined

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:57 AM

View PostHowsithangin, on 05 December 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

What we need are more laws to help plug the gaps left by poor enforcement of these old laws. :And if that doesn't work, then we make even more laws.

Do-loop defined


Or like a poorly-tuned P-I-D Loop where the process just keeps swinging back and forth between two extremes without ever homing in on the setpoint.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:34 AM

View PostHowsithangin, on 05 December 2017 - 02:54 AM, said:

What we need are more laws to help plug the gaps left by poor enforcement of these old laws. :And if that doesn't work, then we make even more laws.

Do-loop defined


Like they say, to the criminal a law is but a piece of paper, meaningless and only worth something if their is both the will and ability to enforce it. Either way, passing more laws is the recourse of the week kneed and limp wristed who do it because they believe somehow repeating the same mistake over and over again will eventually yield a different result. Truth is it only harms those who aren't the problem in the first place.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:23 PM

This will do nothing and is just a feel good move by the FBI to make themselves look better in the climate of the FBI Clown Circus.

The real issue is all the blacks that are shooting other blacks and account for 85% off all murders by firearms. These folks are not going through regular legal means to get firearms. They are getting them from through illegal channels.

Government needs to put the effort where it will do the most good. Like 10 years in prison for every person caught with an illegal weapon.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:51 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 05 December 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

This will do nothing and is just a feel good move by the FBI to make themselves look better in the climate of the FBI Clown Circus.

The real issue is all the blacks that are shooting other blacks and account for 85% off all murders by firearms. These folks are not going through regular legal means to get firearms. They are getting them from through illegal channels.

Government needs to put the effort where it will do the most good. Like 10 years in prison for every person caught with an illegal weapon.


More-or-less how Florida does it with their 10-20-Life rule.

Use a gun justifiable, and you're okay - Florida is both a "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" state. And is 'Shall Issue" for CCW.

But use a gun illegally, and as the billboards say, "Use a Gun and you're Done".

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:18 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 05 December 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

This will do nothing and is just a feel good move by the FBI to make themselves look better in the climate of the FBI Clown Circus.

The real issue is all the blacks that are shooting other blacks and account for 85% off all murders by firearms. These folks are not going through regular legal means to get firearms. They are getting them from through illegal channels.

Government needs to put the effort where it will do the most good. Like 10 years in prison for every person caught with an illegal weapon.



Agreed. The Feds have been caught dropping the ball yet again and know feeling the pressure to 'do their jobs' they crow about all the guns they took out of the hands of potential bad guys. Well, how many where by mistake? What is the re coarse for anyone to get their property back? How many are because some ass hat judge who doesn't like guns decided someone incompetent? How many are simply family heirlooms and the 'owner' is simply no longer able to care for themselves and is know in the care of family? IE a WWII vet who has family living with him at his home.

Wanna' bet that this makes up a number of these 'seizures'. Fix the freaken' system in the first place and these types of instances will all but cease. Not like the Federal government has ever been known to exaggerate or outright lie to make it look like they are doing their jobs or fixing something. Care full, you will get labeled a racist anytime know for pointing out that black people both commit and are the majority of murder victims.
Much less the fact that key cities have incredibily disproportianate murders vs population.

IE Chicago with a population of about 2.5 million makes up about .008 percent of the population but with 700+ murders makes up about %6 of all all murders. Milwaukee with a population of about 600,000 makes up .0019 percent of the total U.S. population but with 140 murders makes up .012 percent of all murders. This is something the anti gun left refuses to acknowledge but instead like to paint the problem with a broad brush instead of a small local one.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:18 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 05 December 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

This will do nothing and is just a feel good move by the FBI to make themselves look better in the climate of the FBI Clown Circus.


That and I wonder if the previous administration had issued "stand down" orders. The idea being that enough criminals and crazies with guns would create a crisis. Not ones to ever "let a good crisis go to waste", 0bama and Holder would have stepped in with emergency and executive orders. These are the same clowns who effectively gave Mexican drug cartels free machine guns.

Another thought is that the new administration is deathly serious about "draining the swamp". Trump will fire people who don't do their jobs. So they have to show results rather than simply showing up for work.

I agree that we don't need more laws. Enforce the ones we have already. However, prison for illegal possession is worth consideration.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:35 PM

View Postoki, on 05 December 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

Agreed. The Feds have been caught dropping the ball yet again and know feeling the pressure to 'do their jobs' they crow about all the guns they took out of the hands of potential bad guys. Well, how many where by mistake? What is the re coarse for anyone to get their property back? How many are because some ass hat judge who doesn't like guns decided someone incompetent? How many are simply family heirlooms and the 'owner' is simply no longer able to care for themselves and is know in the care of family? IE a WWII vet who has family living with him at his home.

Wanna' bet that this makes up a number of these 'seizures'. Fix the freaken' system in the first place and these types of instances will all but cease. Not like the Federal government has ever been known to exaggerate or outright lie to make it look like they are doing their jobs or fixing something. Care full, you will get labeled a racist anytime know for pointing out that black people both commit and are the majority of murder victims.
Much less the fact that key cities have incredibily disproportianate murders vs population.

IE Chicago with a population of about 2.5 million makes up about .008 percent of the population but with 700+ murders makes up about %6 of all all murders. Milwaukee with a population of about 600,000 makes up .0019 percent of the total U.S. population but with 140 murders makes up .012 percent of all murders. This is something the anti gun left refuses to acknowledge but instead like to paint the problem with a broad brush instead of a small local one.


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I have been called a racist before for publishing data from the FBI, CDC and DOJ/BJS and if presenting government date makes me a racist then so be. I can take the heat.

The reality is that the government is trying to be PC and it is costing a lot of people their lives.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:38 PM

View Postgravelrash, on 05 December 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

That and I wonder if the previous administration had issued "stand down" orders. The idea being that enough criminals and crazies with guns would create a crisis. Not ones to ever "let a good crisis go to waste", 0bama and Holder would have stepped in with emergency and executive orders. These are the same clowns who effectively gave Mexican drug cartels free machine guns.

Another thought is that the new administration is deathly serious about "draining the swamp". Trump will fire people who don't do their jobs. So they have to show results rather than simply showing up for work.

I agree that we don't need more laws. Enforce the ones we have already. However, prison for illegal possession is worth consideration.


I think that is a very real possibility. I know the left loves mass shootings as it gives them ammunition for their cause. They are not into reducing firearm murders though the in place legal system because it doesn't deal with the explosion of gun purchases and the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 05 December 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

I have been called a racist before for publishing data from the FBI, CDC and DOJ/BJS and if presenting government date makes me a racist then so be. I can take the heat.

The reality is that the government is trying to be PC and it is costing a lot of people their lives.



Yuppers, some people just can't handle the truth and will do their damnedest to avoid it. Truth is that for many people having to show the data is heartbreaking. Heartbreaking in the fact that we know of everything people of color went through to achieve equality only to see all the chances and opportunities flushed down the toilet. The so called community activists and 'leaders' have no desire for the poor black to become successful and no longer dependent on Government for all their needs. Doing that would eliminate a massive gravy train and power base. Sad thing is up until the 1960's the Black Family was actually viewed as the most stable in the entire country.

If pointing out that the majority of both murders and victims are black is racist then so is talking about the make up of most serial killers and people who commit white collar crimes. Statistics themselves are not racist, in fact they are damned important in solving an issue, those who refuse or ignore them only prove their true desire is not in solving a problem but furthering an agenda.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

View Postintotheblackhole, on 05 December 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

I think that is a very real possibility. I know the left loves mass shootings as it gives them ammunition for their cause. They are not into reducing firearm murders though the in place legal system because it doesn't deal with the explosion of gun purchases and the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.



What you must understand is that to the left since every gun starts it's 'cycle' in the hands of a law abiding owner that's who you need to target first. Eliminate the supply via the law abiding owner and eventually the flow of guns will stop. Never mind the people left unable to defend themselves, never mind the rights and Constitution, it's 'for the better'. One of my favorite lines is this: Ever ask yourself why Chuck Norris is both a gun owner and gun rights advocate? Doesn't the fact that HE OF ALL PEOPLE FEELS the need to own a gun tell you something?

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