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#1 User is offline   Liz 

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  Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:50 AM

Medicaid For All

PowerLine
by Paul Mirengoff
Posted on September 7, 2018

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Following the lead of Bernie Sanders, many Democrats advocate “Medicare for All.” It’s a smart move. Most old folks, including me, are very happy with the insurance Medicare provides. Many non-old folks realize this and wish they had coverage as good.

But Wesley Smith argues that Sanders is actually offering Medicaid for all. Medicaid is a troubled health insurance program for the poor and, thanks to expansion, some who are not poor.

Smith writes:

[A] close look at Sanders’s bill (S-1804, “The Medicare for All Act of 2017”) shows that it has much more in common with Medicaid — the health-insurance welfare program for the poor — than it does Medicare so beloved by seniors.

How so? For one thing, “Medicare for All” promises “free” health care, meaning no out-of-pocket costs for patients. Medicaid provides that benefit now. But Medicare doesn’t. Beneficiaries under Medicare are responsible for about 50 percent of their health-care bills, according to Smith.

That’s one reason why “Medicare for All” is astronomically expensive. Another reason, the main one, is that it would cover 300 million people compared to the 44 million or so covered by Medicare. Sanders’ bill is projected to cost $32 trillion in its first ten years. Meanwhile, says Smith, Medicare is scheduled to go broke in 2028.

Sanders’ proposal also differs from Medicare because it outlaws all private health insurance. Unlike Medicaid, Medicare permits a thriving private supplemental-insurance industry.

Supporters of Sanders’ legislation might counter that, with no out-of-pocket expenses, there is no need for supplemental insurance. Indeed, they might tout the fact that “Medicare for All” provides free health case as an improvement over actual Medicare.

There are obvious problems with this line of argument, though. As Smith points out, total government control of health-care insurance means total control of what will and will not be covered. Rationing — either by invidious discriminatory categories (such as age or “quality of life”) or long waits for care — is a hallmark of all socialized systems. “Medicare for All” would be no exception.

Indeed, Smith points out that “Medicaid itself is a mess with many doctors refusing to participate due to low payment schedules and beneficiaries often fac[ing] lines and delays in treatment.” Things would be even worse if every American were forced into such a program.

And Sanders’ program wouldn’t just cover every American.

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Posted 09 September 2018 - 10:01 AM

Back when Hillary was pushing health insurance overhauls during Bubba's administration, a friend of mine and I were discussing it. He made a brilliant point, no matter what kind of medical system you have, Medicaid for all or the old system at the time, there will never be enough doctors and money and such for everyone to get the same care, unless no one gets care. And it's made worse in fee limited setups like Medicaid as you'll have fewer people deciding to practice medicine.

So, it boils down to, what is the "coin of the realm" for getting better doctors and procedures? In the traditional US system, it's money. In socialized medicine, it's influence, who you are or who you know who can manipulate the system for your benefit. As he said, money is much more just and egalitarian than influence. There are plenty of ways to get money. You can work and earn it, you can beg for it, you can get people to help in multiple ways, you can even steal it. That is much easier than suddenly figuring out how to get connected to the rich and powerful politicians to get them to give a damn about your plight.
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 10:17 AM

Reality ultimately bites utopia in the ass every time.. ..
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 02:48 PM

It's all about how you "frame" the argument.


Let's call it "VA for all" and see how this idea sinks faster than a turd in a punch bowl.
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 02:57 PM

Let me know when Congress signs up for it applying to them.
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 03:26 PM

View PostSeverian, on 09 September 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Let me know when Congress signs up for it applying to them.

Sure thing. :rofl:
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