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Posted 11 September 2018 - 09:17 PM

Is Chaos An Impeachable Offense?

Trump is destabilizing the status quo, as he promised to do. The keepers of the status quo cry foul.

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By Victor Davis Hanson
September 11, 2018 6:30 AM

Excerpt:

Until 2017, there were certain political assumptions that most people no longer really believed but also preferred not to question — given the likely animus from the so-called bipartisan establishment, a naked entity which, by convention, we all agreed was splendidly clothed.

China could freely cheat on trade, and the U.S. could take the commercial hit, because one day its misbegotten riches would force liberalization and thereby make China a member in good standing of the family of democratic nations. After 40 years, we are still waiting on the promised democratic transformation — at great cost to the industrial and manufacturing heartland of the United States.

NATO member nations always would promise, indeed swear, that they would meet their military spending commitments, even as they had no intention at all of doing so. Fine, we shrugged, since World War II it has been the duty of the United States to lead and protect the West. What other nation had America’s inexhaustible wealth and power to subsidize rich socialist democracies, and commensurate unconcern with its own insidiously hollowed-out industrial interior? Accordingly, American presidents would lecture NATO nations about their promised obligations and meanwhile expect public nods and private snickers. In the New York and Washington corridor, the gospel was never to question the changing role or funding of NATO but always to utter “NATO is the linchpin of the West.” End of discussion.

The Palestinians will always remain “refugees” in a way that similar contemporaneously displaced people who were also forced out of their homeland — Prussians, Jews of the Middle East, or Volga Germans — no longer have refugee status, after more than 70 years. A chaotic Trump recently accepted reality and quit funding the United Nations relief organization that supposedly attends to “refugees” who in reality are a political construct deemed useful for demonizing Israel around the world.

Jerusalem has long been privately accepted as both the historic and natural capital of Israel, and it’s now far more open and freer than it was prior to 1967. But we were not supposed to say that given fears of Palestinian pique, or terrorist attacks, or inflaming the Middle East. Trump in his supposedly reckless fashion simply moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and other nations strangely are beginning to follow.

No one really believed that the Iran deal would stop Iranian nuclear proliferation, or even prune back Iran-backed terrorism. The deal’s asymmetrical nocturnal ransom-for-hostages payments, its myriad exceptions to spot inspections, and its inability to check ballistic-missile construction were all ignored. The fallback excuse for the deal was that it would take a little longer for Iran to gain nuclear weapons, and would make Iran a little nicer to the United States. Yet few even believed those yarns. And no one had been willing to invoke a crisis with Iran by saying so. So we shrugged that the Iran deal was bad, but it was at least our bad deal — and then Trump dashed our illusions.

*snip*

Again, the stance toward all these paradoxes was that it was more of a problem to tell the truth, address reality, and make the necessary difficult adjustments than to shrug, continue on, and maintain the façade of normality. Then a president came along with no prior investment in the economic and foreign-policy establishment, and apparently no desire to create any, or to worry much about his own ignorance of past conventional wisdom. And so in breakneck speed he began cancelling deals, renegotiating asymmetrical agreements, and questioning protocols of decades past — and he did so without adopting the comportment of past presidents and the advice of either the administrative state or the Washington political-media establishment.

The ensuing reaction was that the Trump medicine was said to be worse than the preexisting disease, although no one could really explain why that was so.

So we are left only with “Trump did it,” and therefore he should be impeached, declared insane, sued, forced to resign, or face an intervention from “loyal” patriot aides because of his impulsiveness and lack of “first principles” that had given us the above status quo. Even the recent anonymous New York Times op-ed author offered no real explanations of what exactly Trump has done wrong that would warrant anti-democratic removal other than to concede that Trump has done things that most felt were long overdue. And he made changes in a rude and uncouth manner that the establishment did not like — just as a nude emperor in invisible clothes does not like it when an outsider observes that he is naked.

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:16 PM

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:02 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 11 September 2018 - 11:16 PM, said:

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He cuts right to the core, doesn't he?
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:12 AM

View PostLiz, on 12 September 2018 - 01:02 AM, said:

He cuts right to the core, doesn't he?


I've always liked that about Victor Davis Hanson.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 03:54 AM

View PostLiz, on 11 September 2018 - 09:17 PM, said:

The ensuing reaction was that the Trump medicine was said to be worse than the preexisting disease, although no one could really explain why that was so.


Which is why I laugh at them.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 04:30 AM

Doing something to heal this country after the repeated abuses heaped upon it during the Obama Atrocity is impeachable?

Leftards should be quarantined lest their disease spread any further.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM

View PostLiz, on 11 September 2018 - 09:17 PM, said:

Again, the stance toward all these paradoxes was that it was more of a problem to tell the truth, address reality, and make the necessary difficult adjustments than to shrug, continue on, and maintain the façade of normality.


Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”

This post has been edited by That_Guy: 12 September 2018 - 05:34 AM

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 05:45 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”


Truth does not have different "versions".
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:00 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”


You'll have to do better than that, there's no getting around America's deterioration or China's trade policies, the situation in Israel, or the ridiculous Iran nuke deal. The author doesn't mention our steel industry, revitalizing the coal industry, sanctuaries for Illegals, the country's debt, etc., but kicking the can down the road isn't an option with this president, except when Congress and the Left get in his way. Are we better off under Trump than we were under Obama? Absolutely!

This post has been edited by NH Populist: 12 September 2018 - 06:01 AM

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:10 AM

What has PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump done that is "authoritarian"? Other than void a bunch of his predecessor's executive orders, he has put the burden of legislation on Congress where it belongs. Even then, Trump's attempts at immigration "reform" have been thwarted by activist judges who treat DACA as law not as an unConstitutional executive order.

Congress refuses to do jacksh!t about illegal immigration. So families (real and fake) continued to be separated at the border. Which is a decades-old policy not Trump's. That smug jackass Dick Durbin told Trump "You can stop this". Which Trump finally did through an executive order. Because Congress will not do its job!

"Authoritarian" only because the establishment wants to play by its rules. The whole d@mn reason that Americans elected Donald Trump was to burn the old way of doing things. As outlined in the OP, Trump has been very successful at resetting the world order to America's benefit.

"Authoritarian"... GFY.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:18 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these "necessary difficult adjustments"; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called "the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader's) is the only acceptable version of "truth."


Ummm, the democratic process enshrined in our Republic gave us this President. He is the established one responsible for creating public and foreign policy. He's responsible for enforcing existing laws and signing new laws into being. Thus your concerns are not important because they are already validated THROUGH the approved democratic processes.

Oh and we aren't a democracy, as you well know, we are a Republic. Most of which last for a very damn long time, and you had no problem with authoritarian leadership when Obama "heard" the voices of those that didn't vote, and notified the nation he had a pen and a phone and wasn't afraid to use them.

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:21 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”

You’re so full of it.

Simple majority democracy wasn’t authoritarian when Harry Reid invoked his nuclear option, but suddenly became very much authoritarian when GOP try to get a SC Justice confirmed.

Is that about right?
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:31 AM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 12 September 2018 - 04:30 AM, said:

Doing something to heal this country after the repeated abuses heaped upon it during the Obama Atrocity is impeachable?

Leftards should be quarantined lest their disease spread any further.

The libturds felt obozo was a kind of God-the "lightbringer"-so whatever he did was divine and must be kept in religious perpetuity. Amazing what the left will believe.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:56 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”





You are so out of your league it's laughable.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 11:18 AM

View Postgravelrash, on 12 September 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

What has PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump done that is "authoritarian"? Other than void a bunch of his predecessor's executive orders, he has put the burden of legislation on Congress where it belongs. Even then, Trump's attempts at immigration "reform" have been thwarted by activist judges who treat DACA as law not as an unConstitutional executive order.

Congress refuses to do jacksh!t about illegal immigration. So families (real and fake) continued to be separated at the border. Which is a decades-old policy not Trump's. That smug jackass Dick Durbin told Trump "You can stop this". Which Trump finally did through an executive order. Because Congress will not do its job!

"Authoritarian" only because the establishment wants to play by its rules. The whole d@mn reason that Americans elected Donald Trump was to burn the old way of doing things. As outlined in the OP, Trump has been very successful at resetting the world order to America's benefit.

"Authoritarian"... GFY.


Authoritarian for a marxist means anything they disagree with that the President has the right to do within the law.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 02:16 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 12 September 2018 - 05:27 AM, said:

Or it could be that there is a wide range of views about these “necessary difficult adjustments”; and that the stances (plural) toward these political disagreements are still being reconciled into effective public policy via the democratic process - which is why democracy has been called “the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

Perhaps the military historian who wrote this piece prefers a more authoritarian system in which his (or his dear leader’s) is the only acceptable version of “truth.”




Unlike the spinmasters on the left Hanson deals in reality (truth) and draws conclusions based on historical experience. Leaders buck the conventional group think by changing policy to attack and solve rather than wait on solutions to bubble up from some collective wisdom.

The Founders were wise enough to be sure we had a Commander In Chief who could lead. It was a bit of a gamble which is why we have elections every four years. Pray that our current Commander In Chief is re-elected to solve as many problems as possible. God Bless the Republic.
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