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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:22 PM

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What if Trump loses but refuses to leave the White House? We have to start to contemplate the possibility
New York Daily News
By Jerry H. Goldfeder and Lincoln Mitchell
December 3, 2018


With the midterm elections now in the rear-view, we continue to have this nagging thought: If President Trump appears to be headed toward defeat in his presumed bid for re-election, which is he more likely to do: Give a graceful concession speech, and resume his wheeling-dealing life, or claim that the election was stolen from him and refuse to move out of the White House?

Some may call this neurotic speculation. Unfortunately, the facts compel us to consider that the second option is a definite possibility. The first option, which has been the choice of every American President defeated for reelection, runs counter to Trump's personality and distorted view of our constitutional democracy.

In 2016, when he thought he would lose, Trump threatened to reject the outcome as "rigged." This year, in support of Florida senatorial candidate Rick Scott and a slew of other Republicans, the President bellowed about "fraud," "stolen elections" and the like all but guaranteeing that a Democratic victory would not be accepted as legitimate by his followers.

We have never seen this level of attack on the legitimacy of our elections from the White House. In 1960, then-Vice President Richard Nixon had every reason to believe that Sen. John Kennedy's supporters fixed the outcome in Illinois and Texas, but, nevertheless, gave short shrift to Republican election lawyers who wished to pursue litigation on his behalf. Nixon simply conceded.

Similarly, Vice President Al Gore undoubtedly felt that the Supreme Court's ruling against him in 2000 was not justified, but congratulated Gov. George W. Bush nonetheless. President Gerald Ford similarly accepted defeat gracefully upon losing his race by a very close margin.

Indeed, in every election since 1796, when President John Adams lost a bitter race to his own vice president, Thomas Jefferson, presidential losers whether or not they actually believed in the outcome stepped aside. Armed forces have never been called out to protect the White House; supporters of a losing candidate have never stormed the barricades.

Vehement feelings were expressed; marches and protests occurred. But, unlike so many other countries, peaceful succession has always prevailed.

There is no doubt Trump will soon start raising the specter that the 2020 election is going to be rigged against him, thus attempting to lay a dubious legal groundwork for his refusal to leave office if he is defeated.

After all, if he loses, it is highly unlikely that he would retire to a life of philanthropy or building houses, as former Presidents have done. Instead, he and those closest to him may face years of litigation on issues ranging from their relationship with Russia to a variety of questionable real estate dealings. For Trump, the best and perhaps only way to avoid the wheels of justice turning against him is to remain in office. In that context, it is very possible that Trump will conjure up whatever rationale is required to hold onto office.

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The first step in ensuring that this nightmare scenario does not occur is to understand its possibility. Our constitutional democracy's survival may depend upon it.


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"Some may call this neurotic speculation."
Huh. Can't imagine why.

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:35 PM

This sort of ridiculousness pops up with every President and never happens.

The simple answer is the Secret Service will escort him out or arrest him as appropriate. Its the exact thing that would have happened if Obama refused to leave. Or Bush. Or anyone else.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 05:38 PM

I hope the two authors remain completely consumed by this thought for the next two years...night and day, 24/7/365x2, EVERY SINGLE SECOND....NOT ANOTHER THOUGHT.

Suicide is painless, guys.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:03 PM

LOL? :lol:

Like this would be a bad thing? :shrug:
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:20 PM

View PostModerator T, on 03 December 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

This sort of ridiculousness pops up with every President and never happens.

The simple answer is the Secret Service will escort him out or arrest him as appropriate. Its the exact thing that would have happened if Obama refused to leave. Or Bush. Or anyone else.

I remember reading that after the Lincoln assassination Mary Todd refused to leave the White House. For two weeks Andrew Johnson had to work out of a hotel. Of course, this was during a time when presidents had an open door policy, where people could walk in off the street to voice grievances, requests, etc.

But the premise of this article is ridiculous.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:27 PM

It's pretty rich having this fever dream when Stacey Abrams is suing because she LOST her election in Georgia.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 06:38 PM

LOL, the Clintons walked off with $200K worth of furniture and china that they had to return, and every 'W' on every keyboard, then Hill tried her damnedest to get back in there for another shot at the goodies, and these two idiot writers fantasize about Trump not leaving? http://www.rightnation.us/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/froehlich214.gif
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:11 PM

View PostCensport, on 03 December 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

"Some may call this neurotic speculation."


Yes, yes it is.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:18 PM

 Hieronymous, on 03 December 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

I remember reading that after the Lincoln assassination Mary Todd refused to leave the White House.

Damn! You are really really old!

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Posted 03 December 2018 - 07:26 PM

I am a giant supporter of Trump, but I wouldn't be ok with him not stepping down. Doubt the author really thought out the premise of the article.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:24 PM

View Posterp, on 03 December 2018 - 07:18 PM, said:

Damn! You are really really old!

;)

I swear to you I wasn't there. Monty was and he told me about it...
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 08:41 PM

View PostHieronymous, on 03 December 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

I swear to you I wasn't there. Monty was and he told me about it...


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Posted 03 December 2018 - 10:49 PM

A couple things.
Seems like more of the same old lefty transference .
Clinton asking if he would accept the results of the election, while they still haven`t.
And still seem worried whether he will in 2 years "if" loses.
They don`t seem to have learned anything either, they were so sure he`s lose in 16, and seem pretty confident he will lose again in 20.

The other is, if the election is close, like in 16, and we have credible evidence of illegals voting, or say 106% of the population, from a single county, ALL voting blue, I would want him to fight it `til the end.
We need to stop this BS or we lose this country, and I think Trump is the only one with the ba.........um, gravitas to do it.
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Posted 03 December 2018 - 11:48 PM

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Similarly, Vice President Al Gore undoubtedly felt that the Supreme Court's ruling against him in 2000 was not justified, but congratulated Gov. George W. Bush nonetheless.

Oh, please. Gore's lack of proper upbringing and refusal to accept the results of the election are what led to the Supreme Court getting involved in the first place.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:40 AM

This is so rich! I wonder if these guys lay awake at night thinking this stuff up?
What if? Maybe...it's possible that...there might have been...How about coming up with a real story where speculation plays no part? You just got out, did the research and investigated, wrote your story with the FACTS you garnered, and went on your merry way.

Their fake speculation is getting more and more ridiculous each day.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 01:45 AM

View PostGrumpyOldMan, on 03 December 2018 - 10:49 PM, said:

A couple things.
Seems like more of the same old lefty transference .
Clinton asking if he would accept the results of the election, while they still haven`t.
And still seem worried whether he will in 2 years "if" loses.
They don`t seem to have learned anything either, they were so sure he`s lose in 16, and seem pretty confident he will lose again in 20.

The other is, if the election is close, like in 16, and we have credible evidence of illegals voting, or say 106% of the population, from a single county, ALL voting blue, I would want him to fight it `til the end.
We need to stop this BS or we lose this country, and I think Trump is the only one with the ba.........um, gravitas to do it.

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Posted 04 December 2018 - 02:08 AM

Seems these two want to get the moronic sheeple all frothy so that they can push for some legislation to insure that they can boot out Trump... Kinda like that nuclear move that the Dim senators pulled...

Except we know how that turned out when they were no longer in control...
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:17 AM

Typical leftist BS.

Try to make people afraid about something that will never happen in order to get more power.

These people are pathetic.
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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:35 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 03 December 2018 - 08:41 PM, said:

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Hey you kids!

Get off my lawn!


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Posted 04 December 2018 - 05:37 AM

View PostLongKnife, on 03 December 2018 - 11:48 PM, said:

Oh, please. Gore's lack of proper upbringing and refusal to accept the results of the election are what led to the Supreme Court getting involved in the first place.

Well, I figure it was because he knows that the democrats always cheat, so through Freudian projection he assumed that the Republicans just discovered how to cheat as well? :lol:

He knows how he would have cheated?
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