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  Posted 12 January 2019 - 11:27 AM

Dems Fighting To Protect 2,500 Illegal Aliens Locked Up For Molesting Kids In Texas




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Daniel Greenfield
January 11, 2019


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If Republicans had a messaging operation, they would be hammering statistics like these at every event and at every encounter with the media.

This is what Speaker Pelosi, Senator Schumer and other Democrats have shut down the government for. To protect thousands of illegal alien rapists and pedophiles.


Let's put a face to what Democrats are fighting for.

A middle Tennessee repeat child rapist has been convicted for a second time. On Wednesday, a jury found Juan Abrego-Chavez guilty of rape of a child and two counts of aggravated sexual battery. Assistant District Attorney Emily Crafton prosecuted the case.

Right now, Abrego-Chavez is serving a 30 year sentence for rape of a child after being convicted in a different case in Maury County last year. The district attorney estimates that there are several victims not known about. Abrego-Chavez has faced allegations from four young children already.

Now, Abrego-Chavez faces another 24-64 years in prison for his latest child rape charge. He had a daughter of his own, and her friends would come to the house where "Alfredo" as he was known, would prey on them.

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:01 PM

Pelosi doesn't care when Illegals kill people, so why should or would she care if they are molesting children?
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 12:45 PM

View PostTicked@TinselTown, on 12 January 2019 - 12:01 PM, said:

Pelosi doesn't care when Illegals kill people, so why should or would she care if they are molesting children?

The democraps prefer that these criminals (that they love) get to murder and molest as many innocents as possible unimpeded.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 08:48 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.

The point is that a wall would keep them out of the country and make them someone else’s problem.
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Posted 12 January 2019 - 09:15 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.


Wow, that's really what you got out of the article?

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Posted 12 January 2019 - 09:16 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.


https://images.rapgenius.com/309a583bd60337624ab48d3a9b98db37.500x350x6.gif

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 01:25 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.


If your neighborhood had a problem with homes being broken into and people harmed, wouldn't you say that anyone who opposed locking doors and prosecution the people doing it are part of the problem? By the way, if the people harming the most defenseless and innocent weren't here in the first place would those children be victims?

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 02:25 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.

If the illegal hadn’t been here, encouraged and assisted by policies YOU support, no one would have been raped or molested by this animal in our country. No One!

As for the rest of your rant, your butthurt literally never gets old. I sincerely hope that Trump is re-elected, if for nothing else just to watch you SJWs continue to lose your shared Mind!

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 04:52 PM

View PostTimothy, on 12 January 2019 - 08:28 PM, said:

What a ridiculous headline. How is fighting a border wall "protecting" people "locked up for molesting kids."? If they are already locked up a wall on the border won't affect them one way or the other.

It's very telling that the writer and people like Trump care more about a molester's imigration status than about the fact that they are a sick individual who molests kids.

Blaimimg and demonizing an entire group of people for the actions of individuals that that individual is solely responsible for is bigoted. All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security.

The most significant demographic fact about murderers and child molesters is that they are overwhelmingly male. Yet you don't see Trump or any of the right wing media talking about it.


:rolleyes:

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Touche!

View PostJerryL, on 14 January 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

If the illegal hadn’t been here, encouraged and assisted by policies YOU support, no one would have been raped or molested by this animal in our country. No One!

As for the rest of your rant, your butthurt literally never gets old. I sincerely hope that Trump is re-elected, if for nothing else just to watch you SJWs continue to lose your shared Mind!


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View PostRock N, on 12 January 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

The democraps prefer that these criminals (that they love) get to murder and molest as many innocents as possible unimpeded.


:exactly:
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Posted 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM

View Postzurg, on 12 January 2019 - 08:48 PM, said:

The point is that a wall would keep them out of the country and make them someone else’s problem.

View PostJerryL, on 14 January 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

If the illegal hadn’t been here, encouraged and assisted by policies YOU support, no one would have been raped or molested by this animal in our country. No One!

Immigration status is entirely circumstantial when it comes to crimes like this. Someone isn't more or less likely to be a child molester because of their immigration status.

The overwhelming majority of these crimes are committed by men. So we should blame their mothers for not aborting their male offspring. After all, if men were never born, most crimes would not happen. That would make more sense than these arguments, at least there is a correlation between someone's propensity to commit crimes like these and their gender.

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As for the rest of your rant, your butthurt literally never gets old. I sincerely hope that Trump is re-elected, if for nothing else just to watch you SJWs continue to lose your shared Mind!

You are a glad to see people upset over bigotry and hate mongering. If that is the case, you are a pathetic, morally bankrupt person.

View Postoki, on 14 January 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

If your neighborhood had a problem with homes being broken into and people harmed, wouldn't you say that anyone who opposed locking doors and prosecution the people doing it are part of the problem?

A more apt analogy would be to blame the people who built the houses, because if the houses didn't exist than they could not have gotten robbed.

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By the way, if the people harming the most defenseless and innocent weren't here in the first place would those children be victims?

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See my response to JerryL and Zurg.
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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:55 PM

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

Immigration status is entirely circumstantial when it comes to crimes like this. Someone isn't more or less likely to be a child molester because of their immigration status.


It's nothing short of incredible that you can't recognize the speciousness of this "argument".

Yes, there are American criminals too. And when you do nothing to prevent illegal alien criminals from entering the country, there are even more criminals in America. Isn't 10 criminals worse than 9 criminals? Isn't 100 criminals worse than 99 criminals? Therefore doesn't adding even one single illegal alien criminal make things even worse than all the American criminals who were already here?


View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

A more apt analogy would be to blame the people who built the houses, because if the houses didn't exist than they could not have gotten robbed.


WOW, and I thought the previous "argument" was stupid.

Good GAWD Timothy, is there NO idiotic depth you won't sink to??? You realize having shelter to live in is necessary to human existence, and has been ever since we all lived in caves. The same simply isn't true of robbing.

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Posted 14 January 2019 - 11:56 PM

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

Immigration status is entirely circumstantial when it comes to crimes like this. Someone isn't more or less likely to be a child molester because of their immigration status.

The overwhelming majority of these crimes are committed by men. So we should blame their mothers for not aborting their male offspring. After all, if men were never born, most crimes would not happen. That would make more sense than these arguments, at least there is a correlation between someone's propensity to commit crimes like these and their gender.


You are a glad to see people upset over bigotry and hate mongering. If that is the case, you are a pathetic, morally bankrupt person.


A more apt analogy would be to blame the people who built the houses, because if the houses didn't exist than they could not have gotten robbed.


See my response to JerryL and Zurg.


You never change your tune and you never will because you refuse to see what is very simple, and until you or one of your family becomes a statistic, you will continue to spew your bilge.

Unfortunately, until that happens, others pay the price for your hubris, and that is what makes you pathetic and morally bankrupt.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 12:12 AM

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

Immigration status is entirely circumstantial when it comes to crimes like this. Someone isn't more or less likely to be a child molester because of their immigration status.

The overwhelming majority of these crimes are committed by men. So we should blame their mothers for not aborting their male offspring. After all, if men were never born, most crimes would not happen. That would make more sense than these arguments, at least there is a correlation between someone's propensity to commit crimes like these and their gender.


You are a glad to see people upset over bigotry and hate mongering. If that is the case, you are a pathetic, morally bankrupt person.


A more apt analogy would be to blame the people who built the houses, because if the houses didn't exist than they could not have gotten robbed.


See my response to JerryL and Zurg.


Is the house legally built and owned? That's what it boils down to, you just cannot and will not admit the fact that if these people were NOT HERE in the first place those children would not be victims. Locking your doors, closing your windows, fences, walls around yours and your hero Obama's property is a okay. But be damned if the same standards can be applied nationally. Tell ya' what, you want a good analogy? How about someone who wasn't supposed to be let out of prison breaks into your home and kills a loved one? How's that?
Your loved one wouldn't be murdered if someone didn't f' the hell up right? That person wouldn't have had the opportunity to commit the crime, CORRECT? Immigration is no different.

While your at it, why don't you tell this woman that a wall isn't needed.
Why don't you explain things to this woman? I dare you, go ahead, tell her and all the other victims all about it. Come on I DARE YOU.

https://occupationof...re-white-males/

On August 19, 2003, two Mexican farm laborers, illegal aliens, committed arguably the most heinous crime in the history of Wisconsin’s Green Bay. They abducted a 26-year-old woman from the parking lot of a Main Street nightclub, drove many miles to a remote area in another county, repeatedly gang-raped her, then doused her with lighter fluid and set her on fire.

“The woman testified she heard her attackers ‘laugh, get in the truck, and leave.'” Fortunately or unfortunately, she survived but with “burns on 61% of her body”, including her face. She will be grotesquely disfigured for life. She also “suffered” and survived, “respiratory failure”. [Man Enters Pleas In Kidnapping, Rape, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, April 7, 2005]

In non-diverse Green Bay, the victim, then a mother of two young children, can be assumed to be white, although of course the politically correct Wisconsin newspapers didn’t say.

The two monsters: Gregario Morales, then 27 with a wife and three children, and Juan Nieto, 24, apparently the more vicious of the two and rumored to have possibly committed a similar rape/burning in Arizona. Morales was offered a plea bargain in exchange for his testimony against Nieto. (more…)

https://www.stormfro.../forum/t690271/

https://www.abqjourn...ack12-02-05.htm
(Coarse no mention of their legal status).

http://www.thesocial...enty-woman.html


Like I said, go ahead and tell her and all the other victims all about your more or less crap.
Hard to commit a crime if your not there in the first place to do it, isn't it?

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 01:12 AM

You're twisting more knots than a pretzel Timothy.


That is all.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 02:40 AM

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

Immigration status is entirely circumstantial when it comes to crimes like this. Someone isn't more or less likely to be a child molester because of their immigration status.

Two very simple questions, Timothy. Really. Simple yes or no questions.

1. Does anyone who is in the United States illegally have the legal right to be here? Yes or no?
2. Would any illegal alien commit any crime against US Citizens if they were not in the US? Yes or no?

Their illegal status is absolutely NOT circumstantial to THEIR crimes because if they were not here, the crime would not have been committed in the United States.

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

The overwhelming majority of these crimes are committed by men. So we should blame their mothers for not aborting their male offspring. After all, if men were never born, most crimes would not happen. That would make more sense than these arguments, at least there is a correlation between someone's propensity to commit crimes like these and their gender.

See, this is the fun stuff you SJWs post because you are no longer getting your way unimpeded by adults. You simply can't wrap your head around the FACT that crimes committed by illegals would not be committed in the US if they were not ILLEGALLY HERE. Period. So you post emotional BS about blaming mothers for not aborting their male children and pretend that, somehow, that makes more sense than the obvious:

"If they were NOT HERE then the crime in the US would NOT have been committed."

That you accept the loss of life and suffering of your fellow citizens at the hands of people who shouldn't even be here in order to advance your political agenda shows that the bold in your next quoted section is nothing but projection.

View PostTimothy, on 14 January 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

You are a glad to see people upset over bigotry and hate mongering. If that is the case, you are a pathetic, morally bankrupt person.

:rofl:
Quit, Timothy! You are killing me!

Your emotional rants that turn support for the rule of law into "bigotry and hate mongering" are exactly what I am talking about!! You leftists really have a YUUUUUGGGEE problem with the meanings of words.

Like I said, it just never gets old.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 07:51 AM

I know what Timothy is going to say because we’ve had this argument before.

He’ll say that in a given population size, the amount of a specific crime is about constant. Out of 10000 people there are say 10 pedophiples. If there are 9000 Americans and 1000 illegals, there’ll be 9 American pedophiles and 1 illegal pedophile.

Next, if you’re able to remove the 1000 illegals, you’ll remove the one pedophile, but he’ll be replaced by another American one. So, there’s no change, Timothy will argue. Basically, after removing illegals, Americans will commit the crimes the illegals would have committed. So to him repealing this crime by illegals is not a reason to stop illegal immigration.

I’m not making this up, as many of you know. He’s not joking. He really believes he has a defensible position. We have no choice but to let illegals wander in, because they’re people too.
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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:21 AM

View Postzurg, on 15 January 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:

I know what Timothy is going to say because we’ve had this argument before.

He’ll say that in a given population size, the amount of a specific crime is about constant. Out of 10000 people there are say 10 pedophiples. If there are 9000 Americans and 1000 illegals, there’ll be 9 American pedophiles and 1 illegal pedophile.

Next, if you’re able to remove the 1000 illegals, you’ll remove the one pedophile, but he’ll be replaced by another American one. So, there’s no change, Timothy will argue. Basically, after removing illegals, Americans will commit the crimes the illegals would have committed. So to him repealing this crime by illegals is not a reason to stop illegal immigration.

I’m not making this up, as many of you know. He’s not joking. He really believes he has a defensible position. We have no choice but to let illegals wander in, because they’re people too.


All the while failing to understand that it's still 1000 less Pedophiles and 1000 less victims. 1000 less innocent lives destroyed, 1000 less families left to deal with the aftermath. 1000 less Animals to house, feed, and provide care for(if caught). In reality it's typically more victims as these animals usually abuse more than one before they are finally caught. THAT ANYONE would try and play a stats game or downplay this in any way shape or form is beyond imagination.

Plus.... there is this nice little nugget.
https://www.gao.gov/...tems/d11187.pdf
%25 percent of all Federal Inmates are illegals!


Or this one from the Department of Justice...
https://www.justice....-94-percent-all

The report found that more than one-in-five of all persons in Bureau of Prisons custody were foreign born, and that 94 percent of confirmed aliens in custody were unlawfully present.

So lets see... more than one in five... say two of five? Let's see what does that work out to when 94 percent of those are illegals? I think that's %37 percent. Nope not a problem. They should look at it this way, if we didn't have all those illegal aliens here to commit crimes, then that 37 percent more money the Federal Bureau of prisons would have to deal with rich people who cheat on their taxes and screw the little guy.

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 14 January 2019 - 11:55 PM, said:

It's nothing short of incredible that you can't recognize the speciousness of this "argument".

Yes, there are American criminals too. And when you do nothing to prevent illegal alien criminals from entering the country, there are even more criminals in America. Isn't 10 criminals worse than 9 criminals? Isn't 100 criminals worse than 99 criminals? Therefore doesn't adding even one single illegal alien criminal make things even worse than all the American criminals who were already here?


This is an incomplete question because "adding even one single illegal alien [violent] criminal" isn't happening in isolation, it's happening as part of a general movement of people that is bringing far more people than just those who end up committing violent crimes. Many people who aren't violent criminals, but good people who add to the community.

Would you say that New York City is more dangerous than Detroit? After all, New York City had 290 murders in 2017 and Detroit had 267 murders. According to your logic, New York City is more dangerous. However, New York is a city of more than 8 million, while Detroit has around 700,000 people.

What matters is the crime rate, the absolute number of crimes isn't only half of that equation.

By the standard you are setting, almost anything that might increase the general population of the country is bad because it will increase the absolute number of violent criminals.


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WOW, and I thought the previous "argument" was stupid.

Good GAWD Timothy, is there NO idiotic depth you won't sink to??? You realize having shelter to live in is necessary to human existence, and has been ever since we all lived in caves. The same simply isn't true of robbing.

:wacko: :pinch: :blink:

You misread my analogy. I was comparing the act of building the house to the act of leaving doors unlocked.

View Postoki, on 15 January 2019 - 12:12 AM, said:

Is the house legally built and owned?

Let's say that it wasn't built with the proper permits. Does that mean that the person who built it without a permit is now responsible for any type of violent crime that might happen in that house?

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That's what it boils down to, you just cannot and will not admit the fact that if these people were NOT HERE in the first place those children would not be victims.

I'm not disputing that it is a "fact" I am disputing it's significance and relevance.

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Locking your doors, closing your windows, fences, walls around yours and your hero Obama's property is a okay. But be damned if the same standards can be applied nationally.

Comparing a private residence of an individual or a family to a nation is comparing apples and oranges. It is not the same.

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Tell ya' what, you want a good analogy? How about someone who wasn't supposed to be let out of prison breaks into your home and kills a loved one? How's that?
Your loved one wouldn't be murdered if someone didn't f' the hell up right? That person wouldn't have had the opportunity to commit the crime, CORRECT? Immigration is no different.

If someone is supposed to be in prison, let's assume for a violent crime, they have shown that they are much more likely than the average person to commit a violent crime.

Immigration is very different because immigrants, legal or illegal, don't have a higher propsensity to commit violent crimes.

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While your at it, why don't you tell this woman that a wall isn't needed.
Why don't you explain things to this woman? I dare you, go ahead, tell her and all the other victims all about it. Come on I DARE YOU.

https://occupationof...re-white-males/

On August 19, 2003, two Mexican farm laborers, illegal aliens, committed arguably the most heinous crime in the history of Wisconsin’s Green Bay. They abducted a 26-year-old woman from the parking lot of a Main Street nightclub, drove many miles to a remote area in another county, repeatedly gang-raped her, then doused her with lighter fluid and set her on fire.

“The woman testified she heard her attackers ‘laugh, get in the truck, and leave.'” Fortunately or unfortunately, she survived but with “burns on 61% of her body”, including her face. She will be grotesquely disfigured for life. She also “suffered” and survived, “respiratory failure”. [Man Enters Pleas In Kidnapping, Rape, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, April 7, 2005]

In non-diverse Green Bay, the victim, then a mother of two young children, can be assumed to be white, although of course the politically correct Wisconsin newspapers didn’t say.

The two monsters: Gregario Morales, then 27 with a wife and three children, and Juan Nieto, 24, apparently the more vicious of the two and rumored to have possibly committed a similar rape/burning in Arizona. Morales was offered a plea bargain in exchange for his testimony against Nieto. (more…)

https://www.stormfro.../forum/t690271/

https://www.abqjourn...ack12-02-05.htm
(Coarse no mention of their legal status).

http://www.thesocial...enty-woman.html


Like I said, go ahead and tell her and all the other victims all about your more or less crap.
Hard to commit a crime if your not there in the first place to do it, isn't it?

Oki

I'll do it after you tell this girl and her family that she should be dead, because the illegal immigrant who saved her should not have been there: http://www.nbcnews.c...t/#.XD7iSFxKhEY

Also, using Stormfront as a source doesn't help your argument. I really hope that wasn't deliberate and you were just being very inattentive to your sources. Just saying...

View PostJerryL, on 15 January 2019 - 02:40 AM, said:

Two very simple questions, Timothy. Really. Simple yes or no questions.

1. Does anyone who is in the United States illegally have the legal right to be here? Yes or no?

No

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2. Would any illegal alien commit any crime against US Citizens if they were not in the US? Yes or no?

Yes.

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Their illegal status is absolutely NOT circumstantial to THEIR crimes because if they were not here, the crime would not have been committed in the United States.


See, this is the fun stuff you SJWs post because you are no longer getting your way unimpeded by adults. You simply can't wrap your head around the FACT that crimes committed by illegals would not be committed in the US if they were not ILLEGALLY HERE. Period. So you post emotional BS about blaming mothers for not aborting their male children and pretend that, somehow, that makes more sense than the obvious:

"If they were NOT HERE then the crime in the US would NOT have been committed."

And if they HAD NEVER BEEN BORN then the crime in the US would NOT have been committed.

It is JUST as factual as your statement. The question isn't whether it is factual. The question is what we should take from that fact and if that fact any meaning.

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That you accept the loss of life and suffering of your fellow citizens at the hands of people who shouldn't even be here in order to advance your political agenda shows that the bold in your next quoted section is nothing but projection.

You know that illegal immigrants are human beings right?

Concern for them as human beings and opposition to hate mongerers trying to hold them all collectively responsible for the acts of individual violent criminals is not just a "political agenda". The biggest "political agenda" here is demagogues like Trump using illegal immigrants as a scapegoat and fearmonger about.

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Quit, Timothy! You are killing me!

Your emotional rants that turn support for the rule of law into "bigotry and hate mongering" are exactly what I am talking about!! You leftists really have a YUUUUUGGGEE problem with the meanings of words.

Like I said, it just never gets old.

As I said earlier: "All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security." Nothing about "support for the rule of law" requires the hateful BS that is coming from Trump and his ilk and that poeple like you are lapping up. It's sad that you either can't see or won't acknowledge the difference.

View Postzurg, on 15 January 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:

I know what Timothy is going to say because we’ve had this argument before.

He’ll say that in a given population size, the amount of a specific crime is about constant. Out of 10000 people there are say 10 pedophiples. If there are 9000 Americans and 1000 illegals, there’ll be 9 American pedophiles and 1 illegal pedophile.

Next, if you’re able to remove the 1000 illegals, you’ll remove the one pedophile, but he’ll be replaced by another American one. So, there’s no change, Timothy will argue. Basically, after removing illegals, Americans will commit the crimes the illegals would have committed. So to him repealing this crime by illegals is not a reason to stop illegal immigration.

I’m not making this up, as many of you know. He’s not joking. He really believes he has a defensible position. We have no choice but to let illegals wander in, because they’re people too.

Building a strawman argument, as usual. The sad thing is you are so close to getting it.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 05:24 AM

View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

No

Correct.

View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

Yes.

Please explain how an illegal alien is going to commit a crime against a US citizen if they are not in the US? This should be good.
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View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

And if they HAD NEVER BEEN BORN then the crime in the US would NOT have been committed.

It is JUST as factual as your statement. The question isn't whether it is factual. The question is what we should take from that fact and if that fact any meaning.

I am talking about people who have been born making conscious decisions to illegally come to our country where, as even you have admitted, they have no right to be.

You are talking about someone not involved making a decision to abort a child that may (or may not) have decided at some point to illegally enter the United States. While factual, your example has absolutely no relevance to what is being discussed. It is nothing more than ridiculous emotional apples to baseball bats comparison.

View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

You know that illegal immigrants are human beings right?

Yes.

View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

Concern for them as human beings and opposition to hate mongerers trying to hold them all collectively responsible for the acts of individual violent criminals is not just a "political agenda". The biggest "political agenda" here is demagogues like Trump using illegal immigrants as a scapegoat and fearmonger about.

Wow, you are just pulling out the stops on your emotional rant in this post. "Hate mongerers," "demagogues," "scapegoat," "fearmonger." Top that off with the fact that your entire statement is one big strawman because no one is making that argument and you can see why watching you SJWs lose your collective hive mind is so entertaining.

I have concern for them as human beings, too, Timothy. Having concern, however, creates zero obligation on the part of the United States to accept mass illegal economic migration. None. Accepting it...or encouraging and aiding and abetting it, as the Dems are doing...is against United States law. Your party is doing this to force demographic change for political power. Period. If you think that Nancy Pelosi or other Dem leaders care one whit for these people as "human beings," you are more delusional that I imagined. Most Dem leaders are on the record in the recent past as being against illegal immigration and for strong border control...including building and funding barriers at the border.

I also notice that you have ZERO examples of all this purported hate. Putting American's first is not hate. Stating that illegal aliens do commit crimes in the US is not hate. Stating that if illegal immigrants were not in the US then illegal immigrants would not be committing crimes in the US is not hate. Even calling <censored> hole countries "<censored> hole" countries is not hate (it is crude and it is vulgar, but it is not hate). But if you have examples of what is spinning up your emotions to such heights, please do share.

View PostTimothy, on 16 January 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

As I said earlier: "All of this hate-mongering is sad and shameful, and goes far beyond any reasonable, respectable desire to see more border security." Nothing about "support for the rule of law" requires the hateful BS that is coming from Trump and his ilk and that poeple like you are lapping up. It's sad that you either can't see or won't acknowledge the difference.

One, I have been on record here NUMEROUS times calling out Trump for his over the top rhetoric and his sophomoric insults and taunts.

Two, just because you don't like something or the way it is said does not make it "hate mongering."

Three, again feel free to post examples of all this hate and I will be happy to comment on each and everyone of them. Right now, all I have is your emotion so that is what I am commenting on.

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