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  Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:15 AM

SLAVE REGISTERS FROM LONDON Name The Slaves Kamala Harris' Ancestor Owned



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By Patrick Howley
on Jul 1, 2019




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Democrat presidential candidate Kamala Harris is descended from Irish slave owner Hamilton Brown, the namesake of Brown's Town in Jamaica, who recruited massive numbers of Irish migrants to Jamaica to work on his sugar plantations after the British empire abolished slavery.

Kamala Harris' father Donald Harris wrote an essay entitled "Reflections of a Jamaican Father" for Jamaica Global Online, in which he made a startling admission (emphasis added):

"My roots go back, within my lifetime, to my paternal grandmother Miss Chrishy (née Christiana Brown, descendant of Hamilton Brown who is on record as plantation and slave owner and founder of Brown's Town) and to my maternal grandmother Miss Iris (née Iris Finegan, farmer and educator, from Aenon Town and Inverness, ancestry unknown to me). The Harris name comes from my paternal grandfather Joseph Alexander Harris, land-owner and agricultural 'produce' exporter (mostly pimento or all-spice), who died in 1939 one year after I was born and is buried in the church yard of the magnificent Anglican Church which Hamilton Brown built in Brown's Town (and where, as a child, I learned the catechism, was baptized and confirmed, and served as an acolyte)."

Harris' father's passage ends

Hamilton Brown was not only a slave owner, but also an engineer of mass Irish migration to Jamaica after the British empire abolished slavery in 1834.



Jamaican Family Search recorded: "Hamilton Brown owned several plantations over the years 1817 to about 1845. According to the 1818 Almanac which can be found on this site, (Jamaican Family Search) , he was the owner of Minard (128 slaves) which he must have acquired from its previous owner (John Bailie) in 1815 or later. The number of slaves on this estate approximates the number of slaves in one of the registers attributed to his ownership (124 slaves). The other register (86 slaves) cannot be assigned to any estate, although he is listed in Almanacs for subsequent years as owning several, (Antrim, Grier Park, Colliston, Little River, Retirement and Unity Valley)."

Here is a full accounting of the slaves owned by Hamilton Brown, according to the National Archives in London, as of June 28, 1817 in the parish of St. Ann in Jamaica:



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Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:23 AM

This is why I'm so against the government giving out reparations.

Kamala Harris, whose family owned slaves would get money. While there were thousands of white (for example poor, first generation Americans from Ireland) men who died in the Civil War. Their families will get nothing.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:25 AM

View PostWag-a-Muffin (D), on 05 July 2019 - 08:23 AM, said:

This is why I'm so against the government giving out reparations.

Kamala Harris, whose family owned slaves would get money. While there were thousands of white (for example poor, first generation Americans from Ireland) men who died in the Civil War. Their families will get nothing.


Because whites are eeeeevil
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:30 AM

Of course, Kamala Harris isn’t personally responsible for any of this slave ownership stuff in her family. The point about this background is that Kamala Harris should understand that OTHER people also have things being attributed to them that they couldn’t have controlled and did in no way select. Today’s Americans were never slave owners. Today’s Americans must not be expected to pay reparations in any way. Etc. Or on a smaller scale, this background shoves it in her face and tells her to be honest about responsibility. Trump didn’t build immigration “cages”, Obama already used them. If she’s not honest about that stuff, then this background can be used against her to maybe persuade her to be less of a hypocrite, at least publicly.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:43 AM

View Postzurg, on 05 July 2019 - 08:30 AM, said:

Of course, Kamala Harris isn’t personally responsible for any of this slave ownership stuff in her family. The point about this background is that Kamala Harris should understand that OTHER people also have things being attributed to them that they couldn’t have controlled and did in no way select. Today’s Americans were never slave owners. Today’s Americans must not be expected to pay reparations in any way. Etc. Or on a smaller scale, this background shoves it in her face and tells her to be honest about responsibility. Trump didn’t build immigration “cages”, Obama already used them. If she’s not honest about that stuff, then this background can be used against her to maybe persuade her to be less of a hypocrite, at least publicly.


:yeahthat:

In general, I find the whole idea of 'reparations' not just ludicrous but asinine.

But on a political level? If Kami-from-the-Block and her party want to open that door, the she should be the first to be frogmarched right through it.


Or, as Billy S. once wrote,

"... Let it work,
For ’tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard; and ’t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon. O, ’tis most sweet
When in one line two crafts directly meet."

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 09:37 AM

Like this matters?

Because democraps are not ever held to any morals, rules or standards because they don't have any and they always get a free pass from hypocrisy.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 10:00 AM

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Hamilton Brown was not only a slave owner, but also an engineer of mass Irish migration to Jamaica after the British empire abolished slavery in 1834.


The Brits abolished slavery in 1834, we did so in 1865 and had to fight a damn war to do it. How are we the only one's that get "credit" for oppressing the masses? Oh that's right, racism.



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Posted 05 July 2019 - 10:48 AM

The likelihood that someone who is a descendant of American slaves having an ancestor who was a slave owner doesn’t seem that remote. What is the point here? How do we know who benefited here?

The Irish slave owner in my family fathered children with one of his slaves (who was actually Seminole) who is my great great great grandmother.

I have no beef against the reparations movement, but personally feel it’s a waste of time.

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Posted 05 July 2019 - 11:39 AM

View PostLadybird, on 05 July 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

The likelihood that someone who is a descendant of American slaves having an ancestor who was a slave owner doesn’t seem that remote. What is the point here? How do we know who benefited here?

The Irish slave owner in my family fathered children with one of his slaves (who was actually Seminole) is my great great great grandmother.

I have no beef against the reparations movement, but personally feel it’s a waste of time.

The point is that the democrats, the race grievance groups and others who try to make their existence by holding white Americans morally hostage to the past of slavery forget that it is a much more complicated history than they want to admit. Kamala can preach about slavery and reparations all she wants, but in her past is that very stain she condemns, but she doesn’t seem to take responsibility for that.

Who benefited from slavery? Nobody in my family was in this country before 1880. Slavery was gone by then. They never owned slaves, Harris’ family did. Just because I am white? Well, Kamala seems to have had a much cushier life than I did, so tell me again about that white privilege?
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 11:54 AM

View PostRock N, on 05 July 2019 - 09:37 AM, said:

Like this matters?

Because democraps are not ever held to any morals, rules or standards because they don't have any and they always get a free pass from hypocrisy.


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Posted 05 July 2019 - 01:18 PM

View PostLadybird, on 05 July 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

I have no beef against the reparations movement, but personally feel it’s a waste of time.

Why do you have no beef against the reparations movement?
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 02:55 PM

The problem with reparations is that the dems don't really give a crap about 'righting-a-wrong'; all they want is to use the issue to dupe enough voters 'of-color', and whites 'with-overwhelming-white-guilt' into thinking the dems give a crap about it so they will vote for them. It is just another example of dems duping a group of people into thinking that they have a grievance, or should have a grievance about some issue, and then claiming that they (the dems <_< ) are their champion for the issue, and that somehow it will help you if you vote for them because they 'care' so much - of course all these issues will result in taking $$ away from whoever-is-the-deep-pocket-target-of-the-moment, and funding those who the dems say care about the issue (generally a dem donor in need of payback, or a left-wing 'cause' probably headed by dem supporters in need of payback) - great way to 'money-launder' if needed, also great way to skim off the top, and funnel to your own offshore treasure chest, or a family member doing your bidding, etc.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 05:38 PM

View PostWag-a-Muffin (D), on 05 July 2019 - 08:23 AM, said:

This is why I'm so against the government giving out reparations.

Kamala Harris, whose family owned slaves would get money. While there were thousands of white (for example poor, first generation Americans from Ireland) men who died in the Civil War. Their families will get nothing.

You are correct they will actually have to pay out instead. My ancestors were indentured servants when my family came over to the colonies.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 05:42 PM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 05 July 2019 - 10:00 AM, said:

The Brits abolished slavery in 1834, we did so in 1865 and had to fight a damn war to do it. How are we the only one's that get "credit" for oppressing the masses? Oh that's right, racism.

You forgot to add that slavery is still practiced in some African nations today as well as in the Mideastern countries as well.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 04:49 AM

Well, if we’re all responsible for the sins of our fathers then so is she. I hope she gets questioned on this.

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 06:04 AM

View Postzurg, on 05 July 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

Why do you have no beef against the reparations movement?

The statement does seem to be contradictory.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 09:21 AM

If anyone should pay reparations, it should be the democrats since they're the ones who owned the slaves. It seems only fair.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 10:07 PM

View PostJerryL, on 06 July 2019 - 06:04 AM, said:

The statement does seem to be contradictory.

Yup. And I’m genuinely interested in her answer on this.
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Posted 06 July 2019 - 11:18 PM

View PostLadybird, on 05 July 2019 - 10:48 AM, said:

The likelihood that someone who is a descendant of American slaves having an ancestor who was a slave owner doesn’t seem that remote. What is the point here? How do we know who benefited here?

The Irish slave owner in my family fathered children with one of his slaves (who was actually Seminole) who is my great great great grandmother.

I have no beef against the reparations movement, but personally feel it’s a waste of time.

View PostBootsieBets, on 05 July 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

The point is that the democrats, the race grievance groups and others who try to make their existence by holding white Americans morally hostage to the past of slavery forget that it is a much more complicated history than they want to admit. Kamala can preach about slavery and reparations all she wants, but in her past is that very stain she condemns, but she doesn’t seem to take responsibility for that.

Who benefited from slavery? Nobody in my family was in this country before 1880. Slavery was gone by then. They never owned slaves, Harris’ family did. Just because I am white? Well, Kamala seems to have had a much cushier life than I did, so tell me again about that white privilege?

I'm generally with Ladybird on this. I think talking about reparations is generally a waste of time, better to focus on problems that exist now within the framing of what is happening now. A couple of points though:

1) Our economy in large part was built on the industrial revolution which depended in large part on slavery to provide raw resources.

2) Most talk of reparations also refers to Jim Crow and institutional racism, things that both existed within living memory.

3) Wealth and institutional power often do pass down from generation to generation.

4) Class is also huge, but it's not mutually exclusive with race having a significant impact. For poor whites or rich blacks, class may have a bigger impact than race. And personal attributes have even bigger impacts, there's a big mix of factors at play.

5) Any "reparations" shouldn't be about punishment but restorative justice. What that means is complicated. I support some things in that direction and not others.
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Posted 07 July 2019 - 01:00 AM

View PostTimothy, on 06 July 2019 - 11:18 PM, said:

I'm generally with Ladybird on this. I think talking about reparations is generally a waste of time, better to focus on problems that exist now within the framing of what is happening now. A couple of points though:

1) Our economy in large part was built on the industrial revolution which depended in large part on slavery to provide raw resources.

2) Most talk of reparations also refers to Jim Crow and institutional racism, things that both existed within living memory.

3) Wealth and institutional power often do pass down from generation to generation


1. American slaves were concentrated in the agrarian south, not the Industrial North. The bigger, '2nd' Industrial Revolution, aka the Gilded Age of American industrial burst occurred in the late mid-1800s and early 1900s, and it did not depend upon slaves. That is unless you want to begin discussing the underpaid Irish and Chinese (and yes, blacks) who built the railroad. But to do that, one must broaden the spectrum of 'victims'.

2,Ah yes, "institutionalized racism", also known as the invisible racism that nobody can see, with no proof, but the race-pimps are sure is there. That's my personal favorite. :)

3. Less so here than anywhere on Earth. And how does one explain the extraordinary success of East Asians who arrived here with nothing but literally the shirts on their backs? Are you familiar with the term 'Entrepreneur'? Would you like to see a laundry list of entrepreneurs that started with nothing and became millionaires and billionaires? How about America's global reputation from the late 1890s until recently (a graph would show an inverse relationship with the growth of crony corporatism and socialist, redistributive tax policy) as the land of opportunity? It is this well-earned reputation that brought tens of millions to these shores, people of all stripes. That one particular group cannot seem to make it, and blames racism, when every other race does rather well reminds me of the old saying: "maybe it's not everyone else".

Particularly in light of your issue #3, it would be clear, without even knowing you, that you have attended college recently. This is the Zinn worldview that's being taught in todays hallowed halls of indoctrination.

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