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  Posted 09 July 2019 - 01:21 AM

Relying on the Same Illogic That Trump Used to Ban Bump Stocks, a New Lawsuit Argues That Customizable Rifles Are Illegal

JACOB SULLUM
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A new lawsuit against the manufacturers of guns used in the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting claims that AR-15-style rifles are illegal because they are compatible with bump stocks, which increase their rate of fire. The plaintiffs, parents of a woman who was murdered in the Las Vegas massacre, argue that bump stocks like the ones used in that attack convert semi-automatic rifles into illegal machine guns—a position that has been endorsed by the Trump administration. Therefore, they argue, AR-15s are themselves illegal, since the federal definition of machine guns includes firearms that "can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

That claim is important, since the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which generally shields gun makers from liability for crimes committed with their products, includes an exception for "an action in which a manufacturer or seller of a qualified product knowingly violated a State or Federal statute applicable to the sale or marketing of the product." And while the complaint (for reasons that will become clear) does not mention the Trump administration's extralegal administrative ban on bump stocks, the logic of that policy reinforces the plaintiffs' central argument.

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 06:34 AM

It's a bullshidt stretch claim and it won't work.
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Posted 09 July 2019 - 08:26 AM

View PostRock N, on 09 July 2019 - 06:34 AM, said:

It's a bullshidt stretch claim and it won't work.

Maybe. But they have an opportunity now thanks to that nonsense he created.
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Posted 09 July 2019 - 10:57 AM

View PostModerator T, on 09 July 2019 - 08:26 AM, said:

Maybe. But they have an opportunity now thanks to that nonsense he created.

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I've been on a lot of ranges in my life, seen a boatload of AR15s, including one suppressed one (and it weren't quiet), and have never seen or heard about anyone seeing a bump stock let alone a full rock and roll AR. Banning bump stocks was a knee jerk response to a non-existent problem and just shoved the camel's head into the tent all the way. Bad precedent, to "solve" nothing.
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Posted 09 July 2019 - 12:14 PM

View PostSeverian, on 09 July 2019 - 10:57 AM, said:

:yeahthat:

I've been on a lot of ranges in my life, seen a boatload of AR15s, including one suppressed one (and it weren't quiet), and have never seen or heard about anyone seeing a bump stock let alone a full rock and roll AR. Banning bump stocks was a knee jerk response to a non-existent problem and just shoved the camel's head into the tent all the way. Bad precedent, to "solve" nothing.

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Blame the NRA. It's their fault.

They approved of it and encouraged Trump to do it.
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Posted 09 July 2019 - 04:06 PM

View PostRock N, on 09 July 2019 - 12:14 PM, said:

:yeahthat:

Blame the NRA. It's their fault.

They approved of it and encouraged Trump to do it.

Is Trump a clockwork monkey or not? No matter who "encouraged" him, doesn't he make his own decisions?

As my mother would say: If the NRA "approved and encouraged" Trump to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, should he do it.

Those of us who pay attention knew this was a dumb thing to do and said so.
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