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#1 User is offline   MTP Reggie 

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 07:25 AM

An Open Letter to Megan Rapinoe, from America
As told to Joel Engel.
by JOEL ENGEL JULY 9, 2019 6:13 AM
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First, let us congratulate you and your teammates on a sensational World Cup championship. You made us proud.

You know us, right? The country you've represented so ably on the pitch? Because—hope this doesn't sound weird—we've kind of had some small role in your success. No question, you worked for what you've accomplished with the talents you were fortunate to be blessed with. But never forget you that had the opportunity to do so. That you've made the most of those opportunities delights us; it's what we're all about. But we do wonder why you'd discount the privilege you enjoyed of having had those opportunities that are, sad to say, deprived to most people around the world.

Correct us if we're wrong. But our understanding is that most or all of you and your teammates came from middle-class homes (or better) and were allowed and encouraged to take up organized sports at early ages. All (or most) of you went to college and I'd be surprised if any of you paid full-tuition.

This is . . . not the norm around the world. It should be! But this is a form of privilege that's been granted to you by dint of your birth and we kind of thought that you'd (1) be grateful for it, and (2) would recognize it for what it is and be humble about how many of the women you competed against in France did not have the same advantages.

Because let's be honest: If you're a female soccer player, being born in America is like winning the lottery. The U.S. women's teams have now won four World Cup titles, four Olympic gold medals, and eight CONCACAF gold cups—that's the kind of domination that no national team in any country in any sport, male or female, has ever achieved. Something must be going right with America and our support of women's athletics. USA! USA!

So we were kind of confused the other day when you explained your refusal to sing the National Anthem. We're not quite sure what upsets you. "I think for detractors," you said, "I would have them look hard into what I'm saying and the actions that I'm doing. Maybe you don't agree with every single way that I do it, and that can be discussed."

Well, back atcha. Aren't we entitled to the same benefit of the doubt?

Let's discuss whether there's a country that has made more progress on virtually every human rights front in little more than a generation? In fact, let's discuss how some countries are actually going backwards. Surely you've noticed that France and Germany and the UK and much of the rest of the world are trying to criminalize the kind of speech rights you're now famous for exercising.

"I know that I'm not perfect," you said, "but I think that I stand for honesty and for truth and for wanting to have the conversation and for looking at the country honestly. I think this country was founded on a lot of great ideals, but it was also founded on slavery. And I think we just need to be really honest about that and be really open in talking about that so we can reconcile that and hopefully move forward and make this country better for everyone."

What we hear you saying is, we should look past your imperfections and focus on your intentions. Okay, well, again, back atcha. Right there in the preamble to our Constitution it says, "in order to form a more perfect union…"

You see? "More perfect" expressly states that we're a work in progress. And aren't we all! And we have this Constitution—the oldest in the world—that allows for every generation to amend what was originally set down and try to make "this country better for everyone."

There've been 17 Amendments added to the original 10. True, not all of them have made things better. The 16th, 17th, and 18th were giant mistakes that backfired spectacularly (though fortunately the 18th was repealed). But all were passed with the intention of making things better: for example, the abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, and limiting presidents to two terms.

So if we're going to "be really honest" about slavery and "hopefully move forward," you might acknowledge that chattel slavery ended more than 150 years ago. It was a legacy of our colonial master, England, which at the time practiced slavery in every one of its colonies and territories, and had for over a century, before the American Revolution was a glint in the Founding Fathers' eyes.

Read the accounts of the Constitutional Convention to see how fiercely slavery was debated. Yes, it would've been wonderful if the antislavery voices had prevailed. But keep in mind that if slavery had been disallowed from the beginning, about half of the original 13 colonies wouldn't have joined the "united" states. Then what? Then no United States. The fact that it was a primary topic of discussion and argumentation at a time when slavery existed on every populated continent and had since the beginning of time was a moral victory without precedent in history.

Here's the progressive historian Sean Wilentz, from his book No Property in Man: Slavery and Antislavery at the Nation's Founding:

[A]lthough the framers agreed to compromises over slavery that blunted antislavery hopes and augmented the slaveholders' power, they also deliberately excluded any validation of property in man.


This exclusion, insisted upon by a majority of the delegates, was of profound and fateful importance. It rendered slavery solely a creation of state laws. It thereby opened the prospect of a United States free of slavery—a prospect some delegates deeply desired and many more believed was coming to pass. Above all, it left room for the new federal government to hinder slavery's expansion, something which, after the Constitution's ratification, slavery's opponents struggled to achieve.


Kind of amazing, no? Imagine the guts it took for the Founders to force this exclusion at a moment when it threatened to derail the entire creation of the country. Again: USA! USA!

About twenty years later, the importation of slaves was prohibited, and a few decades later, 2 percent of the country's population (4 percent of men) died fighting a civil war to end slavery. No other country did that. Have there been racial issues and prejudice since then? Absolutely. There's not a mixed-racial society on Earth that doesn't suffer issues like that, and ours are compounded by the lingering hangover from both slavery and Jim Crow. But has there been astounding progress, in law and hearts and minds? The answer is an unqualified yes. You can want to improve things more without misunderstanding the amazing scope of progress we've already made together.

Frankly, we don't really care if you sing the National Anthem or stand there like Han Solo in carbonite. Either one is your right. This isn't North Korea, where citizens fear they'll be tortured or killed if they stop applauding Fearless Leader. This is in itself another point in our favor. But whatever.

(snip)

You're probably too young to remember a term that used to be thrown about wherever Americans traveled after World War II: "The Ugly American." It was a pejorative that referred to, as Wikipedia puts it, "loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless, ignorant, and ethnocentric behavior of American citizens." Given that "USA" is on your jersey, we were embarrassed to hear that sentiment directed at you and the team, beginning with your 13-0 slaughter of Thailand in the first Cup game, when Team USA celebrated each goal as if it were the Cup clincher, and crescendoed when Alex Morgan mimed drinking a cup of tea after scoring against England.

"Wah-wah-wah," you said sarcastically, insisting that men aren't criticized for similar displays of grandiosity and unsportsmanship.

As it happens, you're right about that. Which explains why our national pastime is baseball, not football or basketball (or, for that matter, soccer). In baseball, guys make plays that defy the laws of physics, but baseball's culture is nonchalance, so players pretend it was no big deal; that it's what they're being paid for; that they've done it before and will do it again.

Sure, back in the dugout, their teammates will go a little crazy and maybe push them onto the field for a reluctant, and quick, curtain call if the fans demand it. But they don't perform for the crowd because the unwritten rule is: Never show up the other team. Those who do can expect a little chin music next time they come to the plate.

In football, it seems like every sack, or tackle, or first down, or reception produces a celebration or an arms-wide "I did it" for the crowd. Same with dunks and three-pointers in basketball. Kind of like what you did after scoring the first goal in the championship game and running to the corner of the pitch.

But isn't this . . . not good? Isn't it the kind of behavior we should be trying to discourage in athletes? Because when you respect the other team, you respect the game.

The idea of athletics is to try to live up to our highest ideals. Not revel in living down to the debased standards of others.

Besides—not to put too fine a point on it—but it's a really bad look given your enormous privilege. Thailand's per capita GDP is 1/9 of America's. They went through a military coup in 2014. When you go crazy after scoring the 8th goal against those women you maybe look like Cobra Kai. Nobody roots for Cobra Kai.

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 07:55 AM

Who?

Never heard of it. :coffeenpc:
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 08:17 AM

What Rapinoe is saying by her anti-patriotic antics is that any talented soccer-playing girl in the USA can grow up to be an egomaniacal, anti-patriotic jerk.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 09:10 AM

She should go play soccer for France, or some other foreign country.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 09:22 AM

I am all for equalizing the pay between the US Men's and Women's national teams........by brining the Men's pay down to equal the Women's. Take that money that is saved and invest it in youth development.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 09:26 AM

This letter would be so much more effective if it were considerably shorter.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 09:39 AM

View PostAlexis, on 10 July 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

This letter would be so much more effective if it were considerably shorter.


Not everythig can be a soundbite or bumper sticker. . .
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:06 AM

View PostDutch13, on 10 July 2019 - 09:22 AM, said:

I am all for equalizing the pay between the US Men's and Women's national teams........by brining the Men's pay down to equal the Women's. Take that money that is saved and invest it in youth development.

I saw something today that showed that the women already earn more than the men as a percentage of revenue.

Want more money in your pocket? Make your sport more popular and generate more revenue. Somehow, I don't think pissing on your country is going to get you there.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:09 AM

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“I know that I’m not perfect,” you said, “but I think that I stand for honesty and for truth and for wanting to have the conversation and for looking at the country honestly. I think this country was founded on a lot of great ideals, but it was also founded on slavery. And I think we just need to be really honest about that and be really open in talking about that so we can reconcile that and hopefully move forward and make this country better for everyone.”

Hmm the country was founded on slavery? Meaning it is enshrined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights that all men are created equal and endowed with the right to own one another at bargain prices? Yeah that flows off the tongue don't it? Sorry I don't think so. This country and many others had slavery as a legal activity, but we fought a bloody civil war and for the most part people have been freed of physical bondage known as slavery for quite some time. Others sell themselves into an intellectual form of indentured servitude. That's obvious but we digress. The reality is the US wasn't founded on slavery, it was founded on the guiding principles of the Bill of Rights, and shelved fighting over slaves until a later generation. On the other hand there are still plenty of country's where owning a slave is still legal. Would you say those countries are founded on slavery?
https://www.thecleve...is-still-legal/
Most of them are wonderful utopias of either muslim faith or marxist ideology. Go Figure.

Sadly she or her team will never read this document.


View Postmjperry51, on 10 July 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

Not everythig can be a soundbite or bumper sticker. . .


Or a tweet, it's a finely written and pointed letter.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 12:14 PM

View PostAlexis, on 10 July 2019 - 09:26 AM, said:

This letter would be so much more effective if it were considerably shorter.

For what the author wanted to say, the length is fine.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 12:52 PM

Rush is talking about this today and, as far as I can tell, he's dutifully happy and impressed that the women's team did so well.

But he's saying that, when the women compete against a men's team older than 15 or 16 year-olds, they get their butts kicked, including this team, which happened when they played an academy of 15 year-olds in Dallas.


FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

https://www.cbssport...in-a-scrimmage/

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 01:09 PM

View PostRedSoloCup, on 10 July 2019 - 09:10 AM, said:

She should go play soccer for France, or some other foreign country.

or... the demokratic people's republik of kalifornia
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 01:12 PM

So, Rapinoe says she doesn’t like Trump because he excludes people like her and people of color and people who don’t agree with him, blah, blah, blah. This while she insults (and excludes) half the people in the US who don’t agree with her! She only wants to have a conversation with people who agree with her. By the way, Obama excluded people too. He excluded anyone who didn’t agree with him, and Christians and people who believed it was their right (as detailed in the Constitution) to own a gun. I felt excluded by Obama. But I guess that was A-OK by Rapinoe, because he was on her side and that’s all that matters to her. And guess what, Obama was my president and Trump is her president. That’s the way it works in this country. If she doesn’t like it, she needs to go move to one of those other countries that she played against and who knows, maybe they will treat (and pay) her better!
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 02:37 PM

I like it that Drudge is ignoring the NYC celebration.

Let them be feted by de Blasio in annomynimity.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 02:47 PM

The great disparity between the salary for men's soccer and the salary for women's soccer has caused a widespread realization:

People get paid to play soccer??

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 03:33 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 10 July 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

The great disparity between the salary for men's soccer and the salary for women's soccer has caused a widespread realization:

People get paid to play soccer??

:scratch:


I get payed to referee soccer. :wave:

I'm the one person who gets to put and keep these primadonnas in check as they perform in their "element", and it's great.

I've reffed some (young) women's games and they sure can have the potty mouths serve up trash talk just like their male counterparts!
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 04:24 PM

If you want to get an equal income for athletes proponent upset, just tell them that Lebron James could get 100 million dollars a year to play basketball, and according to the vagaries of the market, he is still underpaid
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 05:24 PM

 BootsieBets, on 10 July 2019 - 01:12 PM, said:

So, Rapinoe says she doesn’t like Trump because he excludes people like her and people of color and people who don’t agree with him, blah, blah, blah. This while she insults (and excludes) half the people in the US who don’t agree with her! She only wants to have a conversation with people who agree with her. By the way, Obama excluded people too. He excluded anyone who didn’t agree with him, and Christians and people who believed it was their right (as detailed in the Constitution) to own a gun. I felt excluded by Obama. But I guess that was A-OK by Rapinoe, because he was on her side and that’s all that matters to her. And guess what, Obama was my president and Trump is her president. That’s the way it works in this country. If she doesn’t like it, she needs to go move to one of those other countries that she played against and who knows, maybe they will treat (and pay) her better!

Exactly this.

(And by the way, this is a common feeling, but the media never lets OUR voice be heard in this context. Because they prefer to divide rather than unite.)
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 05:28 PM

Also, her hair looks stupid. It’s not hip. It’s not edgy. It’s not cool. It just looks stupid. But it fits.
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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:05 PM

http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/879fb34c2506eb397d7cfe2aef1f9920cb41a153c9a988ec81fcd835cebfe156.jpg

:biglaugh:

 Buckwheat Jones, on 10 July 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

Also, her hair looks stupid. It’s not hip. It’s not edgy. It’s not cool. It just looks stupid. But it fits.


It makes her look even more vulgar
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