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Posted 06 September 2019 - 02:55 PM

Complaint Filed After Door Closes on Drag Performers With Down Syndrome

September 6, 2019 - by janukhan - Leave a Comment


Over the past year, a small troupe of drag performers with Down syndrome has taken the stage in London, Stockholm, Oslo and Montreal, adopting flashy alter egos and basking in the crowd’s applause. They call themselves Drag Syndrome.

The London-based troupe’s next stop was their United States debut: an art exhibition in Grand Rapids, Mich. But after the event was publicized this summer, there was a backlash from community members who were worried that the performers were being exploited.

That faction included Peter Meijer, a supermarket scion and Republican congressional candidate who owns the venue where the group was to appear. Last month, Mr. Meijer declined to host the performers, questioning whether they could give their “full and informed consent.”

On Thursday, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a complaint with the Michigan Department of Civil Rights against Mr. Meijer, claiming that he was discriminating against the performers because of their disability. The complaint also claimed discrimination on the basis of sex, considering they would be performing in drag.

“If members of the group were to perform an orchestra recital, chances are he wouldn’t have canceled the performance,” said Jay Kaplan, a staff attorney at A.C.L.U. of Michigan.

The complaint is mostly intended to make a statement, Kaplan said. But if the department refers the case to the state’s Civil Rights Commission, a finding of discrimination could result in a fine, he said.

The arts exhibition, run by an organization called ArtPrize, was intended to be a local celebration of public art, accessibility and inclusion, with community events around Grand Rapids spanning several weeks. But before it has even begun, the exhibition has sparked a widespread debate about what sort of agency adults with intellectual disabilities have when it comes to performing drag, an art form still considered risqué in some circles, but which has also moved into the mainstream in recent years with television shows like “RuPaul’s Drag Race” and the appearance of “Drag Queen Story Hour” at libraries.

Ultimately, DisArt, the local nonprofit that organized the drag show, found a new venue. The first performance, on Saturday, sold out within hours, so the group added a second event on Sunday. In addition to the three Drag Syndrome performers, three local artists with disabilities will be featured in the shows.

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 03:10 PM

The event owner has a right to refuse to show what he doesn’t like, but he agreed to it and refused after knowing about the DS participants.
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 04:56 PM

 Ladybird, on 06 September 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

The event owner has a right to refuse to show what he doesn’t like, but he agreed to it and refused after knowing about the DS participants.


I guess he decided he didn't want to participate is what he considered exploitation of people with disabilities. I hate it when people try to stick with their values and principles and extend that philosophy to their business practice. I understand many lefty owned businesses are refusing service to alleged Trump supporters these days (for no real reason at all), in a shocking act of utter hypocrisy.

If the "troupe" feels their contract was breached, they can always file a civil claim and see if the justice system agrees to compensate them.
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:04 PM

 Ladybird, on 06 September 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

The event owner has a right to refuse to show what he doesn’t like, but he agreed to it and refused after knowing about the DS participants.

And after further reflection he was concerned about exploitation of people with disabilities and cancelled. The man was in a no-win position of deciding which liberal activist group to upset. Either way he's being trashed by the oh so tolerant left.
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:14 PM

 Ladybird, on 06 September 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

The event owner has a right to refuse to show what he doesn’t like, but he agreed to it and refused after knowing about the DS participants.


Sounds like Meijer didn't do his homework.
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Posted 06 September 2019 - 05:45 PM

 Ladybird, on 06 September 2019 - 02:55 PM, said:

That faction included Peter Meijer, a supermarket scion and Republican congressional candidate who owns the venue where the group was to appear. Last month, Mr. Meijer declined to host the performers, questioning whether they could give their “full and informed consent.”


Peter Meijer? One of THOSE Meijers of the namesake chain in Ohio, Indiana, etc? I'm inclined to trust his judgement - If he's worried about Down's syndrome performers possibly being subjected to whatever that they might or might not have the capacity to give “full and informed consent” to, then it's likely a legit business concern.

He may own the Venue, but I doubt he does the day-to-day bookings. Likely, he didn't know until after the fact.

YES, there is legal precedent for at least questioning their capacity to consent. Just ask the guy who was charged with "Rape" after consensual sex with a down's syndrome woman and then ... Woman with Down syndrome could not consent to sex, court said.

Okay, now that THAT's settled and there's apparently an opening in the schedule... Can we get on with the Dwarf Tossing???
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:24 AM

It would be interesting to see how independent these “queens” are in real life.

How many have revolving line of credit?

Signed rental agreements?

Mortgages?

Car loans?

Drivers Licenses?

Go grocery shopping?

Then let’s consider if they have enough self-sovereignty for consent.

As far as the lefto whining about their “rights”, let’s see if these “queens” can articulate what those rights are.

Or is the human condition so degraded that the recognition of an ethereal concept is enough to have another advocate for you about a position you don’t understand?

If that’s the case who’s to say the advocate’s understanding of those rights is correct or in your best interests?
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 08:22 AM

 Oathtaker, on 07 September 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

It would be interesting to see how independent these “queens” are in real life.

How many have revolving line of credit?

Signed rental agreements?

Mortgages?

Car loans?

Drivers Licenses?

Go grocery shopping?

Then let’s consider if they have enough self-sovereignty for consent.

As far as the lefto whining about their “rights”, let’s see if these “queens” can articulate what those rights are.

Or is the human condition so degraded that the recognition of an ethereal concept is enough to have another advocate for you about a position you don’t understand?

If that’s the case who’s to say the advocate’s understanding of those rights is correct or in your best interests?



If I were Peter Meijer, I would accept an evaluation by a neutral third party who is a licensed qualified specialist and has nothing to gain or lose by calling it one way or the other. That way if some does come of it down the road - most likely scenario would be some shyster talking one of these people into claiming that they didn't really consent - then I could say I'd done my 'due diligence'.

In this day and age where a business owner can get sued by anybody over anything, beyond even the bounds of common sense, you just can't use the words 'due diligence' often enough.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:09 AM

 Oathtaker, on 07 September 2019 - 07:24 AM, said:

It would be interesting to see how independent these “queens” are in real life.

How many have revolving line of credit?

Signed rental agreements?

Mortgages?

Car loans?

Drivers Licenses?

Go grocery shopping?

Then let’s consider if they have enough self-sovereignty for consent.

As far as the lefto whining about their “rights”, let’s see if these “queens” can articulate what those rights are.

Or is the human condition so degraded that the recognition of an ethereal concept is enough to have another advocate for you about a position you don’t understand?

If that’s the case who’s to say the advocate’s understanding of those rights is correct or in your best interests?


So people with down syndrome cannot decide for themselves how they want to live?
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:01 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

So people with down syndrome cannot decide for themselves how they want to live?


Some can, some can't. There's a wide spectrum involved.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:29 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

So people with down syndrome cannot decide for themselves how they want to live?

Sigh....
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:50 PM

 Moderator T, on 06 September 2019 - 05:04 PM, said:

And after further reflection he was concerned about exploitation of people with disabilities and cancelled. The man was in a no-win position of deciding which liberal activist group to upset. Either way he's being trashed by the oh so tolerant left.

If you’ve seen the pictures, these guys just look like freaks. Maybe he didn’t want a freak show at his event.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 01:10 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 11:09 AM, said:

So people with down syndrome cannot decide for themselves how they want to live?


And business owners can't either?
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 01:17 PM

So they are too incompetent to find anouther place to host it. But still competent enough to know what they want? Which is it for the people condemning the owner? Hell they are lucky they made it through the lefts every abborition, life matters machine. Or is it just stupid hevsame old principles matter unless you run an establishment and don’t agree with the left.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:01 PM

 Squirrel, on 07 September 2019 - 01:17 PM, said:

So they are too incompetent to find anouther place to host it. But still competent enough to know what they want? Which is it for the people condemning the owner? Hell they are lucky they made it through the lefts every abborition, life matters machine. Or is it just stupid hevsame old principles matter unless you run an establishment and don’t agree with the left.


"Ultimately, DisArt, the local nonprofit that organized the drag show, found a new venue. The first performance, on Saturday, sold out within hours, so the group added a second event on Sunday. In addition to the three Drag Syndrome performers, three local artists with disabilities will be featured in the shows."

The point is the show was booked until the owner learned about the members with disabilities. Some feel that is a violation of the ADA.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:04 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

"Ultimately, DisArt, the local nonprofit that organized the drag show, found a new venue. The first performance, on Saturday, sold out within hours, so the group added a second event on Sunday. In addition to the three Drag Syndrome performers, three local artists with disabilities will be featured in the shows."

The point is the show was booked until the owner learned about the members with disabilities. Some feel that is a violation of the ADA.


And people who are much more intelligent grasp the concept of heinously exploiting people with special needs.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:13 PM

 MontyPython, on 07 September 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

And people who are much more intelligent grasp the concept of heinously exploiting people with special needs.

<_<


Sometimes those who swear they know what's best for other people have no freaking clue, and should mind their business.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:19 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Sometimes those who swear they know what's best for other people have no freaking clue, and should mind their business.

Especially those who want to take away free people's firearms or tell them what they should eat or allow cigarette smoking in their places of business or something...
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:20 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Sometimes those who swear they know what's best for other people have no freaking clue, and should mind their business.

Great as I said anouther leftist only worried about taking away a venues rights for what they believe in to stuff their agenda on everyone else. Maybe you’d be as outraged at places refusing to serve trump supporters. Oops wait I forgot they don’t matter and it’s the owners right. Again hypocrisy much.
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Posted 07 September 2019 - 02:22 PM

 Ladybird, on 07 September 2019 - 02:01 PM, said:

"Ultimately, DisArt, the local nonprofit that organized the drag show, found a new venue. The first performance, on Saturday, sold out within hours, so the group added a second event on Sunday. In addition to the three Drag Syndrome performers, three local artists with disabilities will be featured in the shows."

The point is the show was booked until the owner learned about the members with disabilities. Some feel that is a violation of the ADA.


So by your highlight the performers were too incompetent to find the venue on their own? Is that about your stance? I’m sure you also support adult people sleeping with Down syndrome people, gay or straight they have the full ability to decide according to your stamce. Your a work of art and sick. But glad you feel sexual exploitation of the handicapped is great. What’s next pediphiles I mean they have rights too. The left mentality is a disease and congrats your fully infected.

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