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Posted 09 September 2019 - 02:37 PM

Iím just curious on other peopleís opinions on separating people into special classes and crimes the same way. Those that support it why? What crime is not a hate crime? By making a harsher penalty for one you liable as hate arenít you minimizing those victims that arenít in the ď protected groupĒ? I havenít seen a loving mugging, beating or murder yet,,, I have seen fake hate crimes multiple times. I think everyone should be equal,,, but evidentlly some are worth more then others or why the special law and punishment? As far as hate speech who agrees with that and why? I donít like the klan, I donít like the panthers,, hell I donít like most of what the left says. But I think everyone has the right to spout their stupidity even if itís hate. Until you put your hands on or threaten someone talk what you want. But these days we see with antifa and other groups they donít just talk they are actually violent and not held accountable. In fact often cheered and given a free pass. So Iím fed up with hate crime labels, hate speech labels, racist labels. I donít see what any of it accomplishes. Maybe someone can tell me in a logical conversation
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 03:48 PM

Nothing more or less than Thought Crime, the thin edge of the wedge for making opinions the Leftists despise illegal.

If I punch your lights out, that's a crime, period. If I did it because I hate "insert ethnic group here" doesn't matter, that goes against the concept of equal protection under the law. It treats some groups of people differently than others.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 03:50 PM

There is no such a thing as a hate crime. It's an invented political concept designed to create even more separation in American society and nothing more.

The same applies to "hate speech"
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 04:44 PM

View PostMagic Rat, on 09 September 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

There is no such a thing as a hate crime. It's an invented political concept designed to create even more separation in American society and nothing more.

The same applies to "hate speech"

I agree...Seems to me that so much of what passes for "Popular Culture" is about that very thing..."SEPARATION"...They, and by "they" I mean those who benefit from this mythical abyss between people would be in deep cah-cah if we the people woke up to what they're doing..and why they need us need to be at each others throats The cash funded "outrage machine" is alive and well on both sides of the political divide.
Kestrel...

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 07:01 PM

View PostMagic Rat, on 09 September 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

There is no such a thing as a hate crime. It's an invented political concept designed to create even more separation in American society and nothing more.

The same applies to "hate speech"


Exactly. All Crime is based on hatred of something.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 07:42 PM

George Orwell was an optimist.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:16 PM

Maybe they should just call it terror.
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:27 PM

They ought to drop the whole hate crime bit. It is too open to interpretation. I dislike it as much as I do RICO.

Mark
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Posted 09 September 2019 - 08:28 PM

 Ladybird, on 09 September 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

Maybe they should just call it terror.

Maybe they should leave politics out of it. But leftists politicize everything from sports to cookie recipes so it os impossible.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:07 AM

Hate crime laws are unconstitutional double jeopardy and are just virtue signalling bullshidt.

Assault, battery, murder, rape, robbery, harassment, etc. are all already illegal and always have been. The reasons for it makes it no better or worse. It's still a crime.

Making the motive into a crime makes it double jeopardy and is nothing but feel good crap from the proggy SJWs.

I'm also against the feds charging people on top of states for the very same crimes as this too is double jeopardy, yet it happens all of the time these days.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:11 AM

View PostRock N, on 10 September 2019 - 02:07 AM, said:

Hate crime laws are unconstitutional double jeopardy and are just virtue signalling bullshidt.

Assault, battery, murder, rape, robbery, harassment, etc. are all already illegal and always have been. The reasons for it makes it no better or worse. It's still a crime.

Making the motive into a crime makes it double jeopardy and is nothing but feel good crap from the proggy SJWs.

I'm also against the feds charging people on top of states for the very same crimes as this too is double jeopardy, yet it happens all of the time these days.


And yet in the thread about Senator Paul's attacker getting his sentence revisited, you clearly seemed to endorse a more severe punishment solely because the victim is a U S Senator.

Not exactly consistent there, are ya?
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:12 AM

View Postsearcher, on 09 September 2019 - 08:27 PM, said:

They ought to drop the whole hate crime bit. It is too open to interpretation. I dislike it as much as I do RICO.

Mark



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 02:31 AM

View PostUSNJIMRET, on 10 September 2019 - 02:11 AM, said:

And yet in the thread about Senator Paul's attacker getting his sentence revisited, you clearly seemed to endorse a more severe punishment solely because the victim is a U S Senator.

Not exactly consistent there, are ya?


You are twisting what I had said and you ought to know better than that. :nono:

My opinion on how harsh of a sentence that I believed that he should have received THE FIRST TIME was not about double jeopardy.

My state had punted their responsibility over to the feds, which was the wrong thing to do and even then the feds were handled by the democraps here when it came to the little slap on the hand that Boucher had received for his crime against Rand Paul and the fact that he is a sitting US senator, not solely because he was a senator as you allege.

The harsher sentence should have handed down the FIRST time was MY OPINION.

I didn't say that I supported re-trying him or sentencing him a second time for the same crime.

The only thing inconsistent is your interpretation of my words.

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 04:47 AM

 Ladybird, on 09 September 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

Maybe they should just call it terror.

Maybe all violent laws should just be enforced equally or are some people worth more to you? Why does one deserve harsher penalties otherwise?
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 04:48 AM

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Is the law hate crime good

No.

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What do the terms hate crime or hate speech achieve

Nothing beneficial.
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 06:42 AM

View PostLadybird, on 09 September 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

Maybe they should just call it terror.



Would you really want to see your buddies in BLM listed as terrorists?
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 07:04 AM

 Magic Rat, on 09 September 2019 - 03:50 PM, said:

There is no such a thing as a hate crime. It's an invented political concept designed to create even more separation in American society and nothing more.

The same applies to "hate speech"



:yes:

 Tea Party Hooligan, on 10 September 2019 - 06:42 AM, said:

Would you really want to see your buddies in BLM listed as terrorists?


Snap!

 grimreefer, on 10 September 2019 - 04:48 AM, said:

No.


Nothing beneficial.


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:31 AM

 Tea Party Hooligan, on 10 September 2019 - 06:42 AM, said:

Would you really want to see your buddies in BLM listed as terrorists?

If they murdered individuals belonging to a group, out of hatred and to intimidate them, absolutely. Like this:

https://www.newyorke...ant-aid-society
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:45 AM

 Ladybird, on 10 September 2019 - 08:31 AM, said:

If they murdered individuals belonging to a group, out of hatred and to intimidate them, absolutely. Like this:

https://www.newyorke...ant-aid-society

Again why are those murders worse then any other murder? Do some peopleís lives matter more? If not why a special category. And if you want to defend the law what does it accomplish?
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Posted 10 September 2019 - 09:00 AM

 Squirrel, on 10 September 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

Again why are those murders worse then any other murder? Do some peopleís lives matter more? If not why a special category. And if you want to defend the law what does it accomplish?


Then why not prosecute terrorist acts the same as every other crime?
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