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  Posted 05 October 2019 - 04:18 PM

The ‘Never Trump’ Coalition That Decided Eh, Nevermind, He’s Fine

Jeremy W. Peters
NY Times
10/5/19

EXCERPT:

In 2016, Erick Erickson could not have been clearer. Donald Trump was “a racist” and “a fascist.” It was no wonder, Mr. Erickson wrote, that “so many people with swastikas in their Twitter profile pics” supported him. “I will not vote for Donald Trump. Ever,” he insisted, adding his voice to the chorus of Never Trump Republicans.

Last week, Mr. Erickson, a well-known conservative blogger, titled one of his pieces “I Support the President.” In three years, he had come completely around, a transformation that is a testament to President Trump’s remarkable consolidation of support inside the Republican Party. The effort to impeach the president, Mr. Erickson wrote, was a desperate move by people “who have never come to terms with him.”

“Never Trump” no more, conservatives have largely resigned themselves to a more accommodating state of mind: “Never mind Trump.” And their change in attitude helps to mute the much smaller group of conservative voices who remain highly critical of the president and have questioned his conduct.

Glenn Beck, the radio host who once called Mr. Trump “an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity,” now says that his defeat in 2020 would mark “the end of the country as we know it.” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who so bitterly feuded with the president during the 2016 primaries that Mr. Trump gave out Mr. Graham’s cellphone number on national television, declared last week that impeachment was nothing but “a political set up.”

It can be difficult to remember that indignation and contempt for Mr. Trump once simmered in every corner of the conservative world. In August 2016, dozens of the most senior Republican national security officials signed a letter warning he would “put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.”

Women leaders of the anti-abortion movement joined together before the Iowa caucuses in 2016 and issued a joint statement declaring themselves “disgusted” at his behavior, saying he had “impugned the dignity of women.” National Review published an “Against Trump” issue that featured essays from 22 prominent conservatives who all made a case for why he should be not be the Republican nominee.

At least half of those writers are now on the record making supportive comments about the president. Some, including Mr. Erickson and Mr. Beck, now fiercely defend Mr. Trump, joining many former foes who are speaking out loudly against the impeachment inquiry. Others who contributed to the issue like Ed Meese, the attorney general under Ronald Reagan, has helped Mr. Trump plan his transition and build his administration.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 08:32 PM

So has Trumped earned the support from the former "Never-Trumpers" or has the democrat party's public tantrums convinced them of just how un-American ANTI-American they truly are? Methinks both.


I see in another thread that some_body is trying to shame people for voting Trump which is one of the most laughable positions I've seen, especially when the only other viable option that was selected by the DNC was Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and her brand of utter corruption. Most of the current occupants of the democrat's clown car are no better than she was and some are even worse.
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 08:35 PM

View Postgrimreefer, on 05 October 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

So has Trumped earned the support from the former "Never-Trumpers" or has the democrat party's public tantrums convinced them of just how un-American ANTI-American they truly are? Methinks both.


I see in another thread that some_body is trying to shame people for voting Trump which is one of the most laughable positions I've seen, especially when the only other viable option that was selected by the DNC was Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and her brand of utter corruption. Most of the current occupants of the democrat's clown car are no better than she was and some are even worse.

A bit of both really. My biggest complaints about him were his personality, which hasn't changed, and the fact that I didn't buy his 180 on every single issue right before running for office. He's since proven himself on the issues (mostly), and as such I have no problem supporting him. I imagine its likely the same for others
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 08:44 PM

View Postgrimreefer, on 05 October 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

So has Trumped earned the support from the former "Never-Trumpers" or has the democrat party's public tantrums convinced them of just how un-American ANTI-American they truly are? Methinks both.


I see in another thread that some_body is trying to shame people for voting Trump which is one of the most laughable positions I've seen, especially when the only other viable option that was selected by the DNC was Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and her brand of utter corruption. Most of the current occupants of the democrat's clown car are no better than she was and some are even worse.

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Posted 05 October 2019 - 08:52 PM

View Postgrimreefer, on 05 October 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

So has Trumped earned the support from the former "Never-Trumpers" or has the democrat party's public tantrums convinced them of just how un-American ANTI-American they truly are? Methinks both.


I see in another thread that some_body is trying to shame people for voting Trump which is one of the most laughable positions I've seen, especially when the only other viable option that was selected by the DNC was Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and her brand of utter corruption. Most of the current occupants of the democrat's clown car are no better than she was and some are even worse.

Did you make up this name for her? Or is it already in popular use?


Asking because I know somebody who might want to steal it if it's original. :whistling:
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Posted 05 October 2019 - 09:00 PM

View PostWag-a-Muffin (D), on 05 October 2019 - 08:52 PM, said:

Did you make up this name for her? Or is it already in popular use?


Asking because I know somebody who might want to steal it if it's original. :whistling:

For the originator, see Kurt Schlichter


One of my favorite columnists. B)
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Posted 06 October 2019 - 09:14 AM

View PostModerator T, on 05 October 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

A bit of both really. My biggest complaints about him were his personality, which hasn't changed, and the fact that I didn't buy his 180 on every single issue right before running for office. He's since proven himself on the issues (mostly), and as such I have no problem supporting him. I imagine its likely the same for others


It always comes down to the best available (or least objectionable) option. . .

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 09:29 AM

Moderator T said:

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A bit of both really. My biggest complaints about him were his personality, which hasn't changed, and the fact that I didn't buy his 180 on every single issue right before running for office. He's since proven himself on the issues (mostly), and as such I have no problem supporting him. I imagine its likely the same for others


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Posted 06 October 2019 - 10:01 AM

View PostModerator T, on 05 October 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

A bit of both really. My biggest complaints about him were his personality, which hasn't changed, and the fact that I didn't buy his 180 on every single issue right before running for office. He's since proven himself on the issues (mostly), and as such I have no problem supporting him. I imagine its likely the same for others

It’s not quite the same for me. One, I didn’t give a crap about personality. I don’t have to “like” him. Jeez, what’s the big deal. Two, I wasn’t paranoid about him possibly being less conservative than all the other candidates minus Cruz. That’s why I was for Cruz initially but when that got sorted out I have had absolutely zero problems admitting that I voted for Trump enthusiastically.

I don’t need my president to be a perfect human.
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Posted 06 October 2019 - 06:05 PM

Telling group of people he used as examples.

Glenn Beck? That dude is not only nuts. But he has more positions on any given topic than Jenna Jameson doing a yoga marathon.
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Posted 06 October 2019 - 08:19 PM

Tikk said:

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But he has more positions on any given topic than Jenna Jameson doing a yoga marathon.

If you can find a political tweet by Donald Trump, there is a 98% chance that there is a tweet from Donald Trump with THE EXACT OPPOSITE position in the last ten years.
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Posted 06 October 2019 - 10:17 PM

View PostDutch13, on 06 October 2019 - 08:19 PM, said:

If you can find a political tweet by Donald Trump, there is a 98% chance that there is a tweet from Donald Trump with THE EXACT OPPOSITE position in the last ten years.

I don’t believe that. There’s no way Trump has reversed to the exact opposite position on 98% of his political views. 9.8% maybe, not virtually all of his political views. Can you please be a little less hyperbolic.
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Posted 06 October 2019 - 10:46 PM

View Postzurg, on 06 October 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

I don’t believe that. There’s no way Trump has reversed to the exact opposite position on 98% of his political views. 9.8% maybe, not virtually all of his political views. Can you please be a little less hyperbolic.

Some people still believe the fairy tales that currently pass for LSM news! ANYTHING President Trump does is illegal and/or immoral...

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 12:38 AM

View PostDutch13, on 06 October 2019 - 08:19 PM, said:

If you can find a political tweet by Donald Trump, there is a 98% chance that there is a tweet from Donald Trump with THE EXACT OPPOSITE position in the last ten years.


YOU reverse your own statements more often than Trump.
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Posted 07 October 2019 - 04:51 AM

View PostModerator T, on 05 October 2019 - 08:35 PM, said:

He's since proven on the issues (mostly)


How so? Has he signed a bill into law or taken a particular executive action which “proved” something to you?

If so, what?

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 04:53 AM

View Postmjperry51, on 06 October 2019 - 09:14 AM, said:

It always comes down to the best available (or least objectionable) option. . .


For others, a candidate either earns their vote or doesn’t.

(YMMV obviously)

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 04:55 AM

View PostDutch13, on 06 October 2019 - 08:19 PM, said:

If you can find a political tweet by Donald Trump, there is a 98% chance that there is a tweet from Donald Trump with THE EXACT OPPOSITE position in the last ten years.


This.
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Posted 07 October 2019 - 05:53 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 October 2019 - 04:55 AM, said:

This.

....is proof that your statement was wrong, Dutch.
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Posted 07 October 2019 - 05:56 AM

View Postzurg, on 07 October 2019 - 05:53 AM, said:

....is proof that your statement was wrong, Dutch.


Are you sure about that?

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 06:01 AM

View PostThat_Guy, on 07 October 2019 - 05:56 AM, said:


Do you understand what Dutch said? Hablas ingles?

(Hint: your link has nothing to do with it.)
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