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Posted 09 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

USS Nimitz UFOs 'were always there' and 'secret spyware upgrade' exposed them
The US Navy Senior Chief Operations Specialist who specialised in radar systems claimed UFOs may have always been present but had only become visible after a "top secret upgrade on spyware"
ByKaty Gill, Video News Reporter
09:27, 9 OCT 2019UPDATED14:20, 9 OCT 2019
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A former US Navy Senior Chief Operations specialist who specialised in radar systems has claimed UFOs may have always been present but only became visible after a "top secret upgrade on spyware".

Kevin Day is a Topgun air intercept controller with more than 20 years experience in strike group air defence including war-time operations.

In November 2004, off the coast of San Diego, US, he was a radar operator on the USS Princeton, part of the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group.

On several occasions over a six-day period, military pilots reported seeing Tic Tac-shaped objects that performed remarkable manoeuvres beyond the capability of the US Navy's aircraft.

This incident was made famous in a New York Times article on December 2017 in which it was also revealed the Pentagon had a secret UFO investigation program.

But in a recent interview on Tony Sweet's Truth Be Told podcast, Kevin claimed UFOs may have long been in the air, only becoming visible following a recent radar upgrade.

He said: "There had been a top-secret upgrade of our system that had gotten underway.

"They upgraded our cooperative engagement capability and did some tweaking on our spy radar and the way that it all works.

"I think because of these upgrades we were suddenly able to see things that had always been there.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 01:25 PM

I think they are of U.S. manufacture, but the power source, which generates its own region of gravitational force which isolates / shields it from normal Earth type gravity (which is why it can perform amazing 2000 mph 90 degree turns - it has its own gravity, and its own internal forces so it is not bound by inertia rules, etc), also has the ability to generate massive amounts of power which is why it is kept secret; it would put the power companies, and possibly the petroleum companies out of business. Can't allow that; what would the govt tax, then? Better to keep it secret, fool the public into believing there is now an alien threat, and continue to get taxed out the wazoo to fund a 'space force'. What a concept, eh?

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:13 PM

View PostASE, on 09 October 2019 - 01:25 PM, said:

I think they are of U.S. manufacture, but the power source, which generates its own region of gravitational force which isolates / shields it from normal Earth type gravity (which is why it can perform amazing 2000 mph 90 degree turns - it has its own gravity, and its own internal forces so it is not bound by inertia rules, etc), also has the ability to generate massive amounts of power which is why it is kept secret; it would put the power companies, and possibly the petroleum companies out of business. Can't allow that; what would the govt tax, then? Better to keep it secret, fool the public into believing there is now an alien threat, and continue to get taxed out the wazoo to fund a 'space force'. What a concept, eh?


Then there's always that whole Newton's Third Law thing ......
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:15 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Then there's always that whole Newton's Third Law thing ......


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Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:36 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 02:13 PM, said:

Then there's always that whole Newton's Third Law thing ......

It creates its own gravity force which shields it from Earth gravity. You can increase it in different directions and it affects all within a certain close range. If you shift the direction by 90 degrees, then when viewed from an external reference point all you see is amazing unbelievable type maneuvers, but within the affected sphere of influence, it would feel as if nothing had happened (you don't get scraped off the walls). The drive is supposed to create an extremely strong toroidal shaped magnetic field which has the additional effect of creating its own gravity which shields it from other grav forces. By directing it in the direction you wish to move, it has the effect of pulling you, rather than pushing you like most propulsion methods used today.

Try taking two very strong magnets, forcing the same poles together, and somehow clamp them together. Next, take any other item about the same size/weight, and with the clamped magnets, proceed to any where high enough to drop them a long distance. With someone below to verify the result, drop both at the same time, and see which hits first. The clamped magnet always lands last. This is an over simplified example of a strong magnetic field being able to partially isolate an object gravitationally by generation of its own g field.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:46 PM

View PostASE, on 09 October 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

It creates its own gravity force which shields it from Earth gravity. You can increase it in different directions and it affects all within a certain close range. If you shift the direction by 90 degrees, then when viewed from an external reference point all you see is amazing unbelievable type maneuvers, but within the affected sphere of influence, it would feel as if nothing had happened (you don't get scraped off the walls). The drive is supposed to create an extremely strong toroidal shaped magnetic field which has the additional effect of creating its own gravity which shields it from other grav forces. By directing it in the direction you wish to move, it has the effect of pulling you, rather than pushing you like most propulsion methods used today.

Try taking two very strong magnets, forcing the same poles together, and somehow clamp them together. Next, take any other item about the same size/weight, and with the clamped magnets, proceed to any where high enough to drop them a long distance. With someone below to verify the result, drop an the same time, and see which hits first. The clamped magnet always lands last. This is an over simplified example of a strong magnetic field being able to partially isolate an object gravitationally by generation of its own g field.


This is literally impossible.

Gravity can't be isolated.


ETA: Please feel free to provide any scientific research that supports your "experiment".

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 04:04 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 03:46 PM, said:

This is literally impossible.

Gravity can't be isolated.


ETA: Please feel free to provide any scientific research that supports your "experiment".

Try it.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 04:06 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 03:46 PM, said:

Gravity can't be isolated.


I would only say, by us. Yet. We have no idea if it *may* be possible.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 04:23 PM

View PostASE, on 09 October 2019 - 04:04 PM, said:

Try it.


Um. No.

It's silly.

Show me the research. If what you're saying is true then, support it through scientific observation and research.

Gravity is universal. Hell the word "gravity" itself is defined as follows: "Gravity, also called gravitation, in mechanics, the universal force of attraction acting between all matter." From Britannica
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 05:35 PM

The Nazi Germans were experimenting with some VERY odd aircraft from the late '30s right up to the end of the war - flying wings, bell-shaped craft, saucers, etc., etc.

Occam's Razor says that what crashed in the Black Forest in '36 and then was secreted away by the SS was one of their own experimental craft that they were trying to keep secret RATHER THAN something from outer space than the Nazis then reverse-engineered. Because we know that the Nazis were already theorizing about such sort of things at the time.

Then consider that we and the Brits got all this as 'spoils of war' and then tried it ourselves (Top-Secretly)... And it can explain Roswell, Rendleshem (SP?), and just about everything else.

Yes, there have been a few "crashes" such as Roswell and Rendleshem and Kecksburg Pennsylvania '65. Well, that's the nature of Experimental Aircraft... they DO crash from time to time. And apparently we couldn't fly them any better than the Nazis.

ORRRRR... One can believe that there's advanced civilization(s) out there that can somehow design a vehicle that can get here across light-years/hyperspace/through wormholes/what-evuh, and then can't keep from crashing once they get here? Heck, even we earthlings can safely land on the moon and put rovers on Mars with crashing. Riddle me THAT one, Batman.

Look, I *WISH* I could believe the whole UFO thing. I'd love to believe there's intelligent life SOMEWHERE in the multiverse because there's certainly a shortage of it here on THIS planet and, frankly, we could use some help.

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THAT SAID, while I dismiss out of hand the whole post-WWII-UFO thing per the above, There IS room to believe in "ET"s, sort of. After all, as a Christian, I tend to believe that the authors of the Good Book knew a thing or two. And ONE of the things they "knew" was that there was a type of being something above 'humanity' but less than 'G-d' who made occasional appearances on earth. The Good Book calls them "Angels". Who are they? Where did they come from? How did they get here? I've no idea... but I'll accept it as scriptural fact that they DID.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 06:06 PM

Einstein said there is no 'force' of gravity. Gravity is just acceleration through curved spacetime. Curved spacetime results from lots of energy/mass. Gravity is like a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion times weaker than magnetism. Maybe if we somehow figured out how to warp spacetime it would be possible to scoot around at high speed.

Joe Rogan's podcast just had this radar operator's counterpart on telling his side of the story. While seemingly credible as a witness given his position and accomplishments, I still don't buy his story 100%.

I would love to believe in UFOs that come from far away, but I'm guessing most cases are either military in origin, or unexplained natural phenomena. There is no way thousands of people know about aliens and UFOs and all of them are just duty bound to keep the secret from the rest of us rubes.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 07:42 PM

Suddenly seeing them after radar system upgrades, better radar resolution, or artifacts of the upgrades?
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 08:00 PM

View PostJunto, on 09 October 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

Einstein said there is no 'force' of gravity. Gravity is just acceleration through curved spacetime. Curved spacetime results from lots of energy/mass. Gravity is like a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion times weaker than magnetism. Maybe if we somehow figured out how to warp spacetime it would be possible to scoot around at high speed.

Joe Rogan's podcast just had this radar operator's counterpart on telling his side of the story. While seemingly credible as a witness given his position and accomplishments, I still don't buy his story 100%.

I would love to believe in UFOs that come from far away, but I'm guessing most cases are either military in origin, or unexplained natural phenomena. There is no way thousands of people know about aliens and UFOs and all of them are just duty bound to keep the secret from the rest of us rubes.


That's a rather abstract version.

But gravity is still considered a force because it can be expressed consistently mathematically and be predicted.

F = Gm1m2/r2 works.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 08:37 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 08:00 PM, said:

That's a rather abstract version.

But gravity is still considered a force because it can be expressed consistently mathematically and be predicted.

F = Gm1m2/r2 works.


I'm not an engineer/physicist, but I have been reading/learning as much as I can about this. Einstein showed that gravity is not a force as his idol Sir Isaac Newton thought. Gravity is the attraction of all things towards one another. It can be calculated and treated like a force, but scientifically speaking, there is no force pulling you to the ground. There is no force making the earth go around the sun. The sun's mass/energy bends spacetime, and the earth accelerates around that bend. The earth's mass/energy bends spacetime, and we accelerate around that bend too (by falling down, as spacetime is bent inward to the center of gravity/mass?).

Einstein showed that sitting in a bus, and being pushed towards the back of the bus as it accelerates is the same thing as gravity pushing you to the ground. There is no force pushing you back, as it is not like a magnet, etc. One of his thought experiments dealt with someone in an elevator in free fall, and how they experience the same thing as someone in outer space.

One cool fact: When you jump in the air, your own gravity actually makes the earth fall towards you by half the width of a proton. If you and some random object were placed a few feet apart, out in space far away from anything, over a few days you would come together via gravity.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 08:42 PM



As mentioned above, this is Joe Rogan's podcast with Cmdr. David Fravor, US Navy fighter pilot. While I don't believe his story 100%, his story is still compelling and worth a watch. He was one of the fighter pilots who witnessed the UFO the OP story's radar operator is talking about.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 09:03 PM

View PostJunto, on 09 October 2019 - 08:37 PM, said:

I'm not an engineer/physicist, but I have been reading/learning as much as I can about this. Einstein showed that gravity is not a force as his idol Sir Isaac Newton thought. Gravity is the attraction of all things towards one another. It can be calculated and treated like a force, but scientifically speaking, there is no force pulling you to the ground. There is no force making the earth go around the sun. The sun's mass/energy bends spacetime, and the earth accelerates around that bend. The earth's mass/energy bends spacetime, and we accelerate around that bend too (by falling down, as spacetime is bent inward to the center of gravity/mass?).

Einstein showed that sitting in a bus, and being pushed towards the back of the bus as it accelerates is the same thing as gravity pushing you to the ground. There is no force pushing you back, as it is not like a magnet, etc. One of his thought experiments dealt with someone in an elevator in free fall, and how they experience the same thing as someone in outer space.

One cool fact: When you jump in the air, your own gravity actually makes the earth fall towards you by half the width of a proton. If you and some random object were placed a few feet apart, out in space far away from anything, over a few days you would come together via gravity.


F=ma=mv2= Gm1m2/r2

How it is derived is irrelevant. It's all force as far mathematical physics is concerned.

It's how we got to the moon and back.

Now when you get into quantum scales, Newtonian physics begins to be break down. Much like the natural gas laws begin to break down as one gets closer to an atomic level.

But still.

In the real world. Gravity is a force. Otherwise the different forms of deriving force would not be exactly equal. This has been shown as a practical, repeatable, and useful reality since it was first derived.
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Posted 09 October 2019 - 09:12 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 09:03 PM, said:

F=ma=mv2= Gm1m2/r2

How it is derived is irrelevant. It's all force as far mathematical physics is concerned.

It's how we got to the moon and back.

Now when you get into quantum scales, Newtonian physics begins to be break down. Much like the natural gas laws begin to break down as one gets closer to an atomic level.

But still.

In the real world. Gravity is a force. Otherwise the different forms of deriving force would not be exactly equal. This has been shown as a practical, repeatable, and useful reality since it was first derived.


From Wikipedia:

"Although Newton's theory has been superseded by Einstein's general relativity, most modern non-relativistic gravitational calculations are still made using Newton's theory because it is simpler to work with and it gives sufficiently accurate results for most applications involving sufficiently small masses, speeds and energies."

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"In general relativity, the effects of gravitation are ascribed to spacetime curvature instead of a force. The starting point for general relativity is the equivalence principle, which equates free fall with inertial motion and describes free-falling inertial objects as being accelerated relative to non-inertial observers on the ground.[19][20] In Newtonian physics, however, no such acceleration can occur unless at least one of the objects is being operated on by a force.

Einstein proposed that spacetime is curved by matter, and that free-falling objects are moving along locally straight paths in curved spacetime. These straight paths are called geodesics. Like Newton's first law of motion, Einstein's theory states that if a force is applied on an object, it would deviate from a geodesic. For instance, we are no longer following geodesics while standing because the mechanical resistance of the Earth exerts an upward force on us, and we are non-inertial on the ground as a result. This explains why moving along the geodesics in spacetime is considered inertial.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 09:13 PM

View PostSeverian, on 09 October 2019 - 07:42 PM, said:

Suddenly seeing them after radar system upgrades, better radar resolution, or artifacts of the upgrades?

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 09:29 PM

View PostJunto, on 09 October 2019 - 09:12 PM, said:

From Wikipedia:

"Although Newton's theory has been superseded by Einstein's general relativity, most modern non-relativistic gravitational calculations are still made using Newton's theory because it is simpler to work with and it gives sufficiently accurate results for most applications involving sufficiently small masses, speeds and energies."

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"In general relativity, the effects of gravitation are ascribed to spacetime curvature instead of a force. The starting point for general relativity is the equivalence principle, which equates free fall with inertial motion and describes free-falling inertial objects as being accelerated relative to non-inertial observers on the ground.[19][20] In Newtonian physics, however, no such acceleration can occur unless at least one of the objects is being operated on by a force.

Einstein proposed that spacetime is curved by matter, and that free-falling objects are moving along locally straight paths in curved spacetime. These straight paths are called geodesics. Like Newton's first law of motion, Einstein's theory states that if a force is applied on an object, it would deviate from a geodesic. For instance, we are no longer following geodesics while standing because the mechanical resistance of the Earth exerts an upward force on us, and we are non-inertial on the ground as a result. This explains why moving along the geodesics in spacetime is considered inertial.



Well dang.

Here's anotherWikipedia article that says gravity is a force:

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What we now call gravity was not identified as a universal force until the work of Isaac Newton. Before Newton, the tendency for objects to fall towards the Earth was not understood to be related to the motions of celestial objects. Galileo was instrumental in describing the characteristics of falling objects by determining that the acceleration of every object in free-fall was constant and independent of the mass of the object. Today, this acceleration due to gravity towards the surface of the Earth is usually designated as g → {\displaystyle \scriptstyle {\vec {g}}} \scriptstyle {\vec {g}} and has a magnitude of about 9.81 meters per second squared (this measurement is taken from sea level and may vary depending on location), and points toward the center of the Earth.[26] This observation means that the force of gravity on an object at the Earth's surface is directly proportional to the object's mass. Thus an object that has a mass of m {\displaystyle m} m will experience a force:


So what to do?

Well technically you're right. It's the bending of spacetime.



But for the purposes of this article. Gravity is a force. And we can't isolate an object in it's own little gravity oasis.


ETA: I very much doubt the radar was sensitive to subatomic particles and black hole singularities.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 09:58 PM

View PostTikk, on 09 October 2019 - 09:29 PM, said:

Well dang.

Here's anotherWikipedia article that says gravity is a force:



So what to do?

Well technically you're right. It's the bending of spacetime.



But for the purposes of this article. Gravity is a force. And we can't isolate an object in it's own little gravity oasis.


ETA: I very much doubt the radar was sensitive to subatomic particles and black hole singularities.


Please don't take me as arguing with you, as I was the kid in high school who squeaked by with a C in chemistry because I would spend all my time thinking 'no way these guys just figured this stuff out 200 years ago', and just be hung up on that and not learn the actual science/math. I never took physics for some reason or another. I love that there are people like you and others that know that stuff, and I realize I am the last guy to sit here and try and argue some of this stuff when I am continually having to refresh myself on terminology, etc. It is easier for me to just grab Einstein's theory and ramble off what he said than to actually understand (with much ability) any of it. I never spent my life using the equations and seeing everything from an engineer's POV.

So, when I am 'arguing' with you, I am really trying to understand it all better. One thing I do have is a great imagination, and I try and picture what Einstein and others have figured out, and know it without the math part. Since I never took any kind of physics, my brain can only try and picture it like I was shown Einstein's way. So while I argue no force, etc, I understand that practically speaking what you are saying is the easiest way to calculate/engineer things in our daily lives.
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