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#1 User is offline   grimreefer 

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 03:26 AM

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Where Are the Real Scientists?

Townhall.com
Gil Gutknecht
Nov 03, 2019 12:01 AM

The opinions expressed by columnists are their own and do not represent the views of Townhall.com.

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About 45 years ago, a handful of climatologists surrendered to new evidence and switched sides. They moved from predicting a coming ice age to warning of the dangers of impending global warming. With the promise of a flood of federal grants, they were joined by a growing chorus of academics. They began chirping the warming alarms like a house full of defective smoke detectors. Today that theory has become so mainstream in academia that anyone who even questions it will be banished from the campus.

Without much empirical evidence, they assigned the blame for their predictions of the coming atmospheric calamity. It was CO2. More to the point, it was human activity in general and American’s insatiable demand for fossil fuel energy in particular. Never mind the fact that carbon dioxide makes up a tiny fraction of our atmosphere. They had their computer models, hockey stick charts and of course, a consensus. Most experts are willing to concede that carbon dioxide levels have been increasing. Many even agree that human activity contributes to this. Historic data concerning the correlation between global temperatures and CO2 levels is less conclusive.

Missing from a serious discussion of these matters is the role that plants play in mitigating any CO2 increase. It is well understood that plants consume carbon dioxide and express oxygen. As carbon levels in the atmosphere increase, so will plant growth. Everyone who grows things in hot houses knows this.

After a decade of data which did not support the warming theory or their hockey stick predictions, the alarmists again pivoted. Alarmists dismissed this as a pause. They conveniently replaced “global warming” with “climate change”. If there wasn’t evidence to support their hockey stick chart, there was daily evidence of change. The same people who tell us not to confuse climate with weather are the first to rush to the microphones whenever there is a wild fire, flood or hurricane on the horizon. All as if discerning people wouldn’t notice. Some of us noticed. Americans became more skeptical. So did a small group of scientists who were brave enough to start asking serious questions and reviewing the data.

Not that long ago, that was what most scientists did.



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The real question is where are the real scientists? The ones who claim to believe in the scientific method where theories were meant to be challenged. The ones who believed that science by consensus was an oxymoron.

Peer pressure may be powerful. But never forget, so are facts.


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I know of a few who still practice the scientific method... but yeah scientists, WTF? :smoker:
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 05:15 AM

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:25 AM

Science has become so bastardized and corrupt anymore.

It's no longer about proven facts as much as it is about manufactured "popular opinion" and consensus among the bought and paid for scientists. Their findings are almost always twisted by the money people. Good things that really help people (cures for disease, inventions) get buried while things that can be used to get over on the masses and take their money and freedom get promoted and abused.

It's about exploiting the people's ignorance for an underhanded agenda by the elite anymore and the agenda is always about money, power and control over the ignorant unsuspecting masses.

While the amazing scientific discoveries and inventions seem to always go unnoticed, the underhanded crazy crap is always out there front and center in the lamestream media and always whined about and forced by the proggies.
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:36 AM

View PostHowsithangin, on 03 November 2019 - 05:15 AM, said:

:wave:

+1

(Engineering, but fully involved in using the scientific process unlike these climatologists.)
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 10:56 AM

View Postzurg, on 03 November 2019 - 08:36 AM, said:

+1

(Engineering, but fully involved in using the scientific process unlike these climatologists.)

+2, physicist/analyst/engineer here. Back when I did a complex atmospheric optical model for the DoD, I suffered under a great burden compared with the ClimateScientist crowd. Whenever my model didn't match the experimental results (aka actual atmospheric observations) I didn't get to claim the data was bad, or adjust the data. No, I had to actually fix my computer model until it did match reality. Oh the humanity! Oh the pain!

I have never once in my entire career adjusted or falsified data that I knew was correct. Which made me at times less than popular with my employers.
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Posted 04 November 2019 - 12:12 PM

View PostSeverian, on 03 November 2019 - 10:56 AM, said:

+2, physicist/analyst/engineer here. Back when I did a complex atmospheric optical model for the DoD, I suffered under a great burden compared with the ClimateScientist crowd. Whenever my model didn't match the experimental results (aka actual atmospheric observations) I didn't get to claim the data was bad, or adjust the data. No, I had to actually fix my computer model until it did match reality. Oh the humanity! Oh the pain!

I have never once in my entire career adjusted or falsified data that I knew was correct. Which made me at times less than popular with my employers.


+3 Microbiology / consumer health.

And I love being lectured by those who aren't trained in science, on actual science.
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Posted 14 November 2019 - 04:13 AM

Where are the real scientists? All over the place. We're here. Climatology is a bit insular, but not so bad.

The problem is not actually us, but the press. For example, the majority of climate scientists believe nuclear power has an important role to play in responding to anthropogenic climate change.

How often do you see that reported?

Remember, you're rarely seeing the scientist's view unadulterated, but rather that part of it deemed newsworthy.

Modern nuclear--particularly molten salt reactors--is not deemed newsworthy.

Why is that?
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