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  Posted 03 November 2019 - 11:15 AM

African slavery reexamined by a Senegalese academic



https://www.americanthinker.com/
By Alain Arbez
November 3, 2019


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The West is responsible for black slavery! It is not only the Muslim suburbs that affirm this, the media are widely reporting this politically correct contention. Madame Taubira, the black justice minister of France, even added her personal touch when she said: "It is not necessary to mention the Arab-Muslim slave trade too much so that young Arabs do not have to carry all the weight of the crimes perpetuated by the Arabs."

But now the work of Mr Tidiane N'Diaye, a black Muslim anthropologist and specialist in African civilizations, has seriously challenged this dogma. A few years ago, he published "The Veiled Genocide", a reflection on the deliberately hidden aspect of Arab-Muslim slavery, from Mohamed to the present day, that absolutely should be read.

(It may not yet be translated into English. The French publisher presents the book as a study that sheds light on a tragedy that has gone almost unnoticed: the trafficking of Blacks from Africa by the Arab-Muslim world. This trafficking has involved seventeen million victims killed, castrated or enslaved for more than thirteen centuries without interruption. The prisoners were forced to cross the desert on foot to reach the Maghreb, Egypt or the Arabian Peninsula via Zanzibar, by boat... Yet this slave trade was minimized, unlike the Western trade to America. Why? Because only conversion to Islam made it possible to escape slavery, but did not spare Blacks. However, nowadays most of Africa has become Muslim, hence a form of religious fraternity between the "white" and "black" sides of the continent, and a common desire to "veil" this genocide. A polemical and courageous book.)

While the slave trade perpetrated by Westerners over two and a half centuries may have been an attack on human dignity that was widely denounced and commemorated, it is useful to demonstrate historically the Islamic origin of the slave trade in question. And let us not lose sight of the fact that the enslavement of blacks dates back 10 centuries to the arrival of the conquerors of Allah in Africa.

Thus, in 652, the warlord Abdullah ben Said imposed on the Sudanese an agreement for the permanent delivery of slaves, which has grown over the centuries.

As a result, Mr. N'Diaye believes in his highly documented study that the entire slave trade conducted by Arabs in Africa (some 20 million victims), with the active complicity of local rulers, has constituted a human hemorrhage infinitely more devastating than the slave trade of Westerners alone over a more limited time.



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Posted 03 November 2019 - 02:18 PM

what's his life expectancy?
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 02:35 PM

View PostHowsithangin, on 03 November 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

what's his life expectancy?


Tomorrow

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 03:52 PM

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"It is not necessary to mention the Arab-Muslim slave trade too much so that young Arabs do not have to carry all the weight of the crimes perpetuated by the Arabs."


there'd be more money in it if they went after them the way they go after the white slave owners to try to take over our language and our country by claiming they have rights to words and reparations, but...

ETA: I say 'our' because it has become abundantly clear that anyone with white skin, regardless of when their family arrived on American soil, is automatically part of the evil slave owner class and therefore fair game when the accusatory finger of blame is pointed by SJWs who either demand apologies for white existence or money to fund reparations programs that fit under the umbrella of public assistance.

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 12:22 AM

Not surprised. Just for reference, how do people think Brazilian and Peruvian and Colombian and Argentinian and Ecuadorian etc etc blacks got there? Yeah, exactly. The same way they got to America and Arabia.

And by the way, thatís the way Asians populated parts of South America too, essentially. Although in their case it was more a promise of land and a deception than forceful capture at the point of origin, at least initially.

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 08:18 AM

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The French publisher presents the book as a study that sheds light on a tragedy that has gone almost unnoticed: the trafficking of Blacks from Africa by the Arab-Muslim world.

Sorry for anyone who has their head out of their butt it's been noticed. A bunch of white guys traipsing around the African congo isn't going to have a life expectancy of a fruit fly. However a bunch of muslim's running around capturing people. That's a more realistic perspective on the slave trade.



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Posted 04 November 2019 - 01:10 PM

This is a leftists ultimate nightmare....

1. They cannot put %100 of the blame on White Christian Males.
2. Much of the blame is due to another minority they are doing their damnedest to co tow to.
3. They have to acknowledge that at some point only so many generations can pass before you can blame something which happened long ago.
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Posted 04 November 2019 - 04:18 PM

Oh the multiple opportunities for correction and chastisement; But I will honor the Mods' request and wait to see if this is a legitimate new poster, or if it's just another appearance from our brain-damaged troll.

B)

Never mind. Attended to while I was typing.
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Posted 04 November 2019 - 04:32 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 04 November 2019 - 04:18 PM, said:

Oh the multiple opportunities for correction and chastisement; But I will honor the Mods' request and wait to see if this is a legitimate new poster, or if it's just another appearance from our brain-damaged troll.

B)

Never mind. Attended to while I was typing.




Hmmmm..... you being a CCR fan mioght appreciate this....

Left a good bed in moms basement
Never Workin' for a thing any night or day.
But I never thought one minute of paying
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Posted 04 November 2019 - 06:12 PM

View Postoki, on 04 November 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

Hmmmm..... you being a CCR fan mioght appreciate this....

Left a good bed in moms basement
Never Workin' for a thing any night or day.
But I never thought one minute of paying
All' the things that should be free.

Orange man keep on hurtin'
Bernie keep on hero'n'
Trollin', trollin', trollin' on the Rn.....


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Posted 04 November 2019 - 06:32 PM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 04 November 2019 - 08:18 AM, said:

Sorry for anyone who has their head out of their butt it's been noticed. A bunch of white guys traipsing around the African congo isn't going to have a life expectancy of a fruit fly. However a bunch of muslim's running around capturing people. That's a more realistic perspective on the slave trade.


European traders almost never left the ports and bazaars where they bought slaves. The myth of whites hunting Africans in the jungle is a myth popularized by the TV adaptation of Roots.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 09:15 AM

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European traders almost never left the ports and bazaars where they bought slaves. The myth of whites hunting Africans in the jungle is a myth popularized by the TV adaptation of Roots.



You are correct. While Europeans bought many of the slaves, most of the 'hunting' was done by fellow Africans. Hell, Shaka Zulu was one of the biggest slave traders/hunters in history.
If I remember correctly... Many Africans did not see one another as fellow Africans. You where either a member of the same tribe or at least or you weren't. Meaning that if you where not of the same tribe or one that was friendly, you where to be hunted down and either killed of or enslaved. This belief and practice had been going on long before white Europeans arrived. Was it accelerated, encouraged, and exploited? Don't doubt that for one minute. BUT, to say that's when it started is utter B.S. People need to understand that slavery WAS quite common throughout Human history. Debtors, captured soldiers, captured civilians. Dates all the way back to the caveman. To be honest what finally ended the God awful institution and made it unacceptable (at least in the civilized world) was the industrial revolution which made machinery cheaper than even forced labor. Namely the fact that Agriculture and Manufacturing could be performed much much cheaper than even slave labor.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:01 AM

View Postoki, on 05 November 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

You are correct. While Europeans bought many of the slaves, most of the 'hunting' was done by fellow Africans. Hell, Shaka Zulu was one of the biggest slave traders/hunters in history.
If I remember correctly... Many Africans did not see one another as fellow Africans. You where either a member of the same tribe or at least or you weren't. Meaning that if you where not of the same tribe or one that was friendly, you where to be hunted down and either killed of or enslaved. This belief and practice had been going on long before white Europeans arrived. Was it accelerated, encouraged, and exploited? Don't doubt that for one minute. BUT, to say that's when it started is utter B.S. People need to understand that slavery WAS quite common throughout Human history. Debtors, captured soldiers, captured civilians. Dates all the way back to the caveman. To be honest what finally ended the God awful institution and made it unacceptable (at least in the civilized world) was the industrial revolution which made machinery cheaper than even forced labor. Namely the fact that Agriculture and Manufacturing could be performed much much cheaper than even slave labor.

And if you look at the massacres and bloody wars in Sub-Saharan Africa up until and continuing today, it's the same thing. Tribal wars between and internal to countries, and whichever tribe puts their strongman in as President For Life, woe be unto every other tribe/group. You also see the same in the Middle East, countries carved out by Europeans out of non-uniform indigenous people who hate each other. Iraq it's Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites. Of course, Yugoslavia was a middle European country with similar problems.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:15 PM

View Postoki, on 05 November 2019 - 09:15 AM, said:

You are correct. While Europeans bought many of the slaves, most of the 'hunting' was done by fellow Africans. Hell, Shaka Zulu was one of the biggest slave traders/hunters in history.
If I remember correctly... Many Africans did not see one another as fellow Africans. You where either a member of the same tribe or at least or you weren't. Meaning that if you where not of the same tribe or one that was friendly, you where to be hunted down and either killed of or enslaved. This belief and practice had been going on long before white Europeans arrived. Was it accelerated, encouraged, and exploited? Don't doubt that for one minute. BUT, to say that's when it started is utter B.S. People need to understand that slavery WAS quite common throughout Human history. Debtors, captured soldiers, captured civilians. Dates all the way back to the caveman. To be honest what finally ended the God awful institution and made it unacceptable (at least in the civilized world) was the industrial revolution which made machinery cheaper than even forced labor. Namely the fact that Agriculture and Manufacturing could be performed much much cheaper than even slave labor.


Same to an extent in Europe, for example the name 'Celts' is a modern catch-all term which had no relevance to the people we use it for: Scots, Irish, Welsh, English (yes, they are mostly 'celtic'), Bretons, Cornish. Am ancient warrior from my neck of the woods would be bemused if someone called them a Celt.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:29 PM

View Postscotsman, on 05 November 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

Same to an extent in Europe, for example the name 'Celts' is a modern catch-all term which had no relevance to the people we use it for: Scots, Irish, Welsh, English (yes, they are mostly 'celtic'), Bretons, Cornish. Am ancient warrior from my neck of the woods would be bemused if someone called them a Celt.



Tribal Mentality was the norm for the majority of the world for many many centuries. On a historical scale only recently has the majority of the world essentially civilized and abandoned this belief.
Asian, Europe and to an extent even North and South America this was certainly the case. Here it was very much in effect with the Native Tribes. Capturing enemy, ESPECIALLY women and selling them was a norm. By in large it took two very very nasty World Wars for the majority of civilization to come to our senses and stop this whole tribal mentality. Ironically Africa and Middle East didn't even come close to seeing the same carnage that Europe and Asia did. I have to wonder if things would be different know if they had. Not wishing death and destruction on anyone, just saying that devastating wars have a very profound effect on a society and culture.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:33 PM

View PostSeverian, on 05 November 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

And if you look at the massacres and bloody wars in Sub-Saharan Africa up until and continuing today, it's the same thing. Tribal wars between and internal to countries, and whichever tribe puts their strongman in as President For Life, woe be unto every other tribe/group. You also see the same in the Middle East, countries carved out by Europeans out of non-uniform indigenous people who hate each other. Iraq it's Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites. Of course, Yugoslavia was a middle European country with similar problems.


See my post to Scottsman, as I was going to say the same to yourself. You are spot on, the tribal fighting continues to this day. That kind of mentality typically only ends with one side wiping the other out, or a 3rd party coming in, making some serious changes and by in large putting a stop to it, or a large and utterly devastating War that shakes an entire civilization to it's core to the point that people actually want peace. Like I said to Scottsman, the ME and Africa have not experienced devastating wars on the scale that Europe and Asia has.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:44 PM

Also need to add that there is no power in peace. Meaning that various leaders around the world(especially those in poor 3rd world countries) know that if there is peace and they cannot blame, or rally their people against an enemy then they will lose their power. In part because the people will turn their anger over their problems toward their leaders and in part because these same 'leaders' often profit from these never ending wars and fighting.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 01:05 PM

View Postgravelrash, on 04 November 2019 - 06:32 PM, said:

European traders almost never left the ports and bazaars where they bought slaves. The myth of whites hunting Africans in the jungle is a myth popularized by the TV adaptation of Roots.


And of course all these children who believe these nonsense books. They are the same ones that don't believe blacks owned slaves in the America's. The most cruel slave owner was in fact a black man out of Nassau, who published a book on how to punish and torture slaves without killing them.

But remember it was only white people that owned black people. Asian's/Chinese and Irish were not slaves in the US and around the world either.

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 01:43 PM

View PostTaggart Transcontinental, on 05 November 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

And of course all these children who believe these nonsense books. They are the same ones that don't believe blacks owned slaves in the America's. The most cruel slave owner was in fact a black man out of Nassau, who published a book on how to punish and torture slaves without killing them.

But remember it was only white people that owned black people. Asian's/Chinese and Irish were not slaves in the US and around the world either.



Or that Egyptians owned slaves, so did the Jews back in the times of David, Romans, Greeks, EVERYONE. Good lord, this whole mentality that White people where responsible or the cause of slavery is not only ridiculous, it's a slap in the face to the victims as it doesn't tell the whole truth. In part because it doesn't fit a narrative, and in large part because then people learn that in many cases much of the horror happened because the boogeyman was one of their own. Can't have that know can we.
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