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  Posted 23 November 2019 - 02:02 AM

How Republicans Won Phase One Of Impeachment

The first phase of impeachment did not go well for Democrats. It needed to be a time when support for the inquiry and impeachment grew. Instead, it shrank.

The Federalist
By Mollie Hemingway
November 22, 2019

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With the likely conclusion of Rep. Adam Schiffís impeachment proceedings, itís worth taking a step back and looking at how things went for the majority Democrats and minority Republicans on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Democrats ideally would have started their inquiry with credible bipartisan support and run things in such a way that public opinion developed in their favor. Public opinion would build pressure on Republican members toward an impeachment vote that had even stronger bipartisan credibility.

That did not come even close to happening. To begin with, not only was the vote to begin proceedings not bipartisan, there was bipartisan opposition to it. Polling initially looked promising for impeachment, with media outlets attempting to claim significant bipartisan support for inquiry and removal, but then the polling moved in the wrong direction for Democrats.

Emerson polling showed that support for impeachment flipped since October from 48 percent support with 44 percent opposing to now 45 percent opposed and 43 percent in support. Among key independents, the switch was even more pronounced. In October, 48 percent supported impeaching President Donald Trump, with 39 percent opposed. Now, 49 percent of independents oppose impeachment, while only 34 percent support it.

A new Marquette University Law School poll found that 40 percent of registered voters in the swing state of Wisconsin think that Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 53 percent do not think so. Another 6 percent werenít sure.

A new Gallup poll shows that Trumpís approval has ticked up two points since the impeachment drama began, with 50 percent of Americans opposed to it and 48 percent in support. Henry Olsen notes that Gallup polls all adults, not just registered voters, meaning that a poll of registered voters would have Trumpís job approval even higher and impeachment opposed by closer to a 52-46 margin.

And not only are no Republicans expected to join with Democrats in an eventual impeachment vote, some members expect the bipartisan consensus against it to grow.

Republicans, by contrast, needed to aim for bipartisan opposition to the impeachment proceedings, keep their members in line, make the case that the impeachment proceedings lacked fairness, and that concern about Ukrainian corruption was legitimate. They managed to do all that.

Hereís why things went well for Republicans in phase one of impeachment.

It was completely unclear what crime, much less what high crime, Trump was accused of committing.

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:01 AM

Democrats had every advantage going into their impeachment inquiry except one, the truth. Even with the mainstream media portraying Trump in the worst possible light and Schiff's bullying tactics to stifle Republican opposition, the Left couldn't pin their tall tale on the president. Must be frustrating to be a Leftist...
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 11:04 AM

The leftist meltdowns are going to be EPIC when we re-elect Trump in 2020!
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 11:34 AM

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

The leftist meltdowns are going to be EPIC when we re-elect Trump in 2020!

This!
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 11:44 AM

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

The leftist meltdowns are going to be EPIC when we re-elect Trump in 2020!

We'll get a preview of it when this goes absolutely nowhere.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:54 PM

View PostMrdirt73, on 23 November 2019 - 11:44 AM, said:

We'll get a preview of it when this goes absolutely nowhere.


:popcorn:
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:32 PM

View PostNH Populist, on 23 November 2019 - 04:01 AM, said:

Democrats had every advantage going into their impeachment inquiry except one, the truth.


EXACTLY, and well said. From before he was even nominated, much less elected, the lies against Donald Trump have been epic and endless. Leftists are just plain incapable of honesty. Fortunately, according to the polls, it seems the voters just aren't falling for it anymore.

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:44 PM

View PostLiz, on 23 November 2019 - 02:02 AM, said:

How Republicans Won Phase One Of Impeachment

The first phase of impeachment did not go well for Democrats. It needed to be a time when support for the inquiry and impeachment grew. Instead, it shrank.

The Federalist
By Mollie Hemingway
November 22, 2019

Excerpt:

Democrats ideally would have started their inquiry with credible bipartisan support and run things in such a way that public opinion developed in their favor. Public opinion would build pressure on Republican members toward an impeachment vote that had even stronger bipartisan credibility.


Mollie Hemingway has impeachment in the House confused with a trial in the Senate (and she should be careful what she wishes for).
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:56 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 November 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Mollie Hemingway has impeachment in the House confused with a trial in the Senate (and she should be careful what she wishes for).

:lol: :rolleyes:

You keep proving the old saying right. Better to be thought a fool and remain silent than speak and remove all doubt.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 04:56 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 November 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Mollie Hemingway has impeachment in the House confused with a trial in the Senate (and she should be careful what she wishes for).


:biglaugh:

After so many defeats you are still holding out for a win? :rofl:

Dream on. Trump will win the popular vote in 2020. You might as well kill yourself now.
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 05:04 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

:popcorn:

Move over

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 05:22 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 November 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Mollie Hemingway has impeachment in the House confused with a trial in the Senate (and she should be careful what she wishes for).

You're kidding, right? A trial in the Senate is the LAST thing you Lefties want. The Bidens would have to explain their quid pro quo when the old man threatened to withhold a $ billion in aid unless a certain prosecutor looking into Burisma's corruption was fired. The same corrupt Burisma Obama had concerns with in 2015 and Trump in 2019. All this pissin' in the wind T_G, you must be gettin' wet and cold by now...

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 05:25 PM

View PostNH Populist, on 23 November 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

You're kidding, right? A trial in the Senate is the LAST thing you Lefties want. The Bidens would have to explain their quid pro quo when the old man threatened to withhold a $ billion in aid unless a certain prosecutor looking into Burisma's corruption was fired. The same corrupt Burisma Obama had concerns about in 2015 and Trump in 2019. All this pissin' in the wind T_G, you must be gettin' wet and cold by now...


Yup, and the so-called "whistleblower" would have to testify...and the pathological liar Schiff would have to testify...and so on. The LAST thing the Democrats should strive for is a trial in the Senate. Their corrupt BS won't work there.

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 05:26 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 November 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Mollie Hemingway has impeachment in the House confused with a trial in the Senate (and she should be careful what she wishes for).


:biglaugh:

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 04:56 PM, said:

:biglaugh:

After so many defeats you are still holding out for a win? :rofl:

Dream on. Trump will win the popular vote in 2020. You might as well kill yourself now.


:exactly:

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

The leftist meltdowns are going to be EPIC when we re-elect Trump in 2020!


:exactly:
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 05:41 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 23 November 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

Yup, and the so-called "whistleblower" would have to testify...and the pathological liar Schiff would have to testify...and so on. The LAST thing the Democrats should strive for is a trial in the Senate. Their corrupt BS won't work there.
B)

I'd love to see Trey Gowdy brought in to grill Schiff under oath... :sinister:
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 06:05 PM

It would appear the democrats haven't thought this thing all the way through... :lol:
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 06:13 PM

View PostNatural Selection, on 23 November 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

It would appear the democrats haven't thought this thing all the way through... :lol:

Do they ever....?
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Posted 23 November 2019 - 06:33 PM

View Postzurg, on 23 November 2019 - 06:13 PM, said:

Do they ever....?


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Posted 23 November 2019 - 09:58 PM

View PostNH Populist, on 23 November 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

The Bidens would have to explain their quid pro quo when the old man threatened to withhold a $ billion in aid unless a certain prosecutor looking into Burisma's corruption was fired.


You really don't know how this works, do you? The Majority Leader and the Minority Leader in the Senate will get together and agree on a number of things as relates to the way the trial will proceed, among which is a list of witnesses to be called. If the Majority wants to call Uncle Joe and Hunter, they will need to agree to allow the Minority to call two similar witnesses of their own like Pence and Pompeo.

With the House likely to approve an article of impeachment for obstruction of Congress for not producing witnesses and/or evidence, the White House will find it incredibly difficult to explain/justify NOT making the Vice President (who was briefed on the Ukraine plan) or the Secretary of State (who was encouraging the Ambassador to the EU to work with Rudy) available to answer questions about what they were doing and at whose direction.

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 10:16 PM

View PostThat_Guy, on 23 November 2019 - 09:58 PM, said:

You really don't know how this works, do you? The Majority Leader and the Minority Leader in the Senate will get together and agree on a number of things as relates to the way the trial will proceed, among which is a list of witnesses to be called. If the Majority wants to call Uncle Joe and Hunter, they will need to agree to allow the Minority to call two similar witnesses of their own like Pence and Pompeo.

With the House likely to approve an article of impeachment for obstruction of Congress for not producing witnesses and/or evidence, the White House will find it incredibly difficult to explain/justify NOT making the Vice President (who was briefed on the Ukraine plan) or the Secretary of State (who was encouraging the Ambassador to the EU to work with Rudy) available to answer questions about what they were doing and at whose direction.


LOL. Dream on, cupcake. The Republicans have nothing to fear from any witnesses the Dems might call, but the Dems will be destroyed by the witnesses called by the Republicans.

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