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#1 User is offline   Liz 

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  Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:06 PM

Rand Paul Pledges To Force Hunter Biden Vote If GOP Backs Dem Impeachment Witnesses

The Hill
By Jordain Carney
January 13, 2020 - 09:34 PM EST

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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) sent a public warning shot on Monday night, saying that if Republicans support Democrats' impeachment witness requests, then he will force votes during the trial on calling witnesses conservatives want to hear from.

"My colleagues can't have it both ways. Calling for some, while blocking others," Paul tweeted, referencing a Politico report on a similar private warning he gave his GOP colleagues against supporting Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer's (D-N.Y.) request that former national security adviser John Bolton testify.

"If we are going to give a platform to witnesses the Dems demand, I look forward to forcing votes to call Hunter Biden and many more!" Paul continued.

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Paul's public warning comes as Senate Republicans are privately haggling over the rules resolution for President Trump's impeachment trial.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said last week that she was working with a small group of Republican senators to ensure the resolution allows for both Trump's team and House impeachment managers to call witnesses.

Collins has not said if she would support calling witnesses, agreeing, along with the rest of the Senate GOP conference, to delay that decision until after opening arguments and questions from senators.

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) has said that he wants to hear from Bolton during the trial but has not specified how he thinks his testimony should be given. Bolton was one of four witnesses requested by Democrats and said he would testify if subpoenaed.

"I support the Clinton model, which means that we will have opening arguments first. Then we'll have a vote on witnesses, and at that stage I presume I'll be voting in favor of hearing from John Bolton, perhaps among others. That could change," Romney told reporters on Monday.

Democrats would need to peel off four Republican senators to successfully call a witness or compel the administration to hand over Ukraine-related documents.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has said he does not believe either side should call witnesses and warned Democrats last month that if they successfully call a witness, Republicans could try to call individuals Democrats would oppose, such as Hunter Biden.

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 01:30 PM

Oh no, what are you thinking senator Paul? The only truly fair process is:
1) only democrats can call witnesses
2) only democrats can present evidence
3) only democrats can render a verdict
4) democrats will remove Trump and install Hillary
5) this is democracy in action ... oops meant to say democrats in action
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 05:55 PM

What witnesses? The only "witnesses" were partisan shills from Harvard who gave their opinion that orange man bad.

The Republicans need dismiss this fraudulent impeachment. Whether PRESIDENT Donald J. Trump stays or goes voters will decide on November 3rd.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:36 PM

Well, I'm not that Familiar with senate rules, I guess he can 'force' a vote? :shrug: But what he CAN'T do is force anyone to vote "Yes", and you can bet your bottom dollar that there are plenty of limp-wristed milquetoast Republicans who will vote "No" simply because... Rand Paul.

It's the same as when Rand Paul introduces pro-Life legislation.

Life at Conception Act (S. 518) (2013)
Life at Conception Act (S. 231) (2017)
Amendment to Omnibus to defund Planned Parenthood (2018)
Life at Conception Act (S. 159) (Jan 2019)


He always gets a handful of support and co-sponsors. The rest of Republican'ts scurry like cockroaches when a light is turn on - especially the ones who CAMPAIGN on being pro-life and/or come up with some meal-mouthed excuse as to why, golly, gee, just can't support this exact bill at this precise moment.

Is Rand Paul 'perfect'? No. Are his Life at Conception Act(s) 'perfect'? No. But it's a good start. Let's start there and see what stands constitutional muster per SCOTUS.

My own personal viewpoint??? Do I believe that "Life" begins at "conception"? Not necessarily; I leans towards somewhere between conception and quickening for the concept of "personhood". But that's a red herring anyway; Let's talk about "Personal Responsibility" even though those two words of 22 letters are treated like a single four letter word these days (If I were a preacher, I could get AT LEAST a dozen sermons out of this). I happen to believe that RESPONSIBILITY for life, even a potential life, begins the moment that one engages in the pro-creative acts that would create one. Even *IF* there's no 'conception', one should be prepared for it.

Basically, if you want to stick "Tab A" into "Slot B", be prepared for an outcome. YES, the Church & Dwight Co (maker of Trojans) can statistically MINIMIZE the risk of an outcome, but technology itself is imperfect; the risk, however small, is still a non-zero number; the only "zero" number is abstinence (well, except for ONE. Feel free to walk on water whilst telling about it.)
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:02 PM

 Dean Adam Smithee, on 14 January 2020 - 06:36 PM, said:

Basically, if you want to stick "Tab A" into "Slot B", be prepared for an outcome. YES, the Church & Dwight Co (maker of Trojans) can statistically MINIMIZE the risk of an outcome, but technology itself is imperfect; the risk, however small, is still a non-zero number; the only "zero" number is abstinence (well, except for ONE. Feel free to walk on water whilst telling about it.)

ONE? The ONE style championed by Barry?
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 08:43 PM

The point being that Rand Paul is punching back politically. Kind of like Joe Biden wants to against domestic violence metaphorically and after what Rand himself experienced while doing yardwork physically.
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