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#1 User is offline   pepperonikkid 

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  Posted 04 February 2020 - 04:25 PM

The United States of America is Not a Democracy


https://www.capitalismmagazine.com
BY WALTER WILLIAMS
JAN 29, 2020


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During President Donald J. Trump's impeachment trial, we'll hear a lot of talk about our rules for governing. One frequent claim is that our nation is a democracy. If we've become a democracy, it would represent a deep betrayal of our founders, who saw democracy as another form of tyranny. In fact, the word democracy appears nowhere in our nation's two most fundamental documents, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. The founders laid the ground rules for a republic as written in the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, which guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

John Adams captured the essence of the difference between a democracy and republic when he said, "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." Contrast the framers' vision of a republic with that of a democracy. In a democracy, the majority rules either directly or through its elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be. Laws do not represent reason. They represent power. The restraint is upon the individual instead of the government. Unlike that envisioned under a republican form of government, rights are seen as privileges and permissions that are granted by government and can be rescinded by government.

Here are a few quotations that demonstrate the contempt that our founders held for a democracy. James Madison, in Federalist Paper No. 10, wrote that in a pure democracy, "there is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual."

At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Edmund Randolph said that "in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy." Alexander Hamilton agreed, saying: "We are now forming a republican government. (Liberty) is found not in "the extremes of democracy but in moderate governments. … If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy."

John Adams reminded us: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

John Marshall, the highly respected fourth chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court observed, "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

Thomas Paine said, "A Democracy is the vilest form of Government there is."





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Posted 04 February 2020 - 05:15 PM

Yup, this is a subject we frequently discuss around here. And Mr Williams is exactly correct: America is not a democracy, has never been a democracy, was never intended to be a democracy, and the founders & framers did everything in their power to make sure it never became a democracy.

I always cringe when some allegedly "informed" pundit on TV talks about America as a "democracy".

:rolleyes:
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Posted 04 February 2020 - 06:34 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 04 February 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

Yup, this is a subject we frequently discuss around here. And Mr Williams is exactly correct: America is not a democracy, has never been a democracy, was never intended to be a democracy, and the founders & framers did everything in their power to make sure it never became a democracy.

I always cringe when some allegedly "informed" pundit on TV talks about America as a "democracy".

:rolleyes:



That is actually what Ben Franklin was talking about. Nancy screwed that up as well.
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Posted 04 February 2020 - 06:56 PM

View PostMontyPython, on 04 February 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

Yup, this is a subject we frequently discuss around here. And Mr Williams is exactly correct: America is not a democracy, has never been a democracy, was never intended to be a democracy, and the founders & framers did everything in their power to make sure it never became a democracy.

I always cringe when some allegedly "informed" pundit on TV talks about America as a "democracy".

:rolleyes:


I'll agree that we WEREN'T a democracy, were never founded as such, and NEVER should have become one.

But... today?
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Posted 04 February 2020 - 07:42 PM

View Postpepperonikkid, on 04 February 2020 - 04:25 PM, said:

The United States of America is Not a Democracy


https://www.capitalismmagazine.com
BY WALTER WILLIAMS
JAN 29, 2020


Article:


During President Donald J. Trump's impeachment trial, we'll hear a lot of talk about our rules for governing. One frequent claim is that our nation is a democracy. If we've become a democracy, it would represent a deep betrayal of our founders, who saw democracy as another form of tyranny. In fact, the word democracy appears nowhere in our nation's two most fundamental documents, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. The founders laid the ground rules for a republic as written in the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, which guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

John Adams captured the essence of the difference between a democracy and republic when he said, "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." Contrast the framers' vision of a republic with that of a democracy. In a democracy, the majority rules either directly or through its elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be. Laws do not represent reason. They represent power. The restraint is upon the individual instead of the government. Unlike that envisioned under a republican form of government, rights are seen as privileges and permissions that are granted by government and can be rescinded by government.

Here are a few quotations that demonstrate the contempt that our founders held for a democracy. James Madison, in Federalist Paper No. 10, wrote that in a pure democracy, "there is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual."

At the 1787 Constitutional Convention, Edmund Randolph said that "in tracing these evils to their origin every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy." Alexander Hamilton agreed, saying: "We are now forming a republican government. (Liberty) is found not in "the extremes of democracy but in moderate governments. … If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy."

John Adams reminded us: "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

John Marshall, the highly respected fourth chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court observed, "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

Thomas Paine said, "A Democracy is the vilest form of Government there is."





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As any Joe Blow on the street if we are a Democracy.
IMHO, 99% will say yes.
Yet another example of the dumbing down of America
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Posted 05 February 2020 - 05:49 AM

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“You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.”

Nowhere does the Constitution allow for "common sense" gun laws, speech laws, electoral laws, martial laws or any other form of marxist common sense out there. We have a right to resist our government should it become as tyrannical as the dried up prune of a Congress woman wants it to become.

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:23 AM

I am always amazed how smart, wise and blessed we are to have our Founding Fathers. If these dumb young people realized that we wouldn't hear about a love for Socialism, and Communism here.
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Posted 06 February 2020 - 10:40 AM

View PostMontyPython, on 04 February 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

Yup, this is a subject we frequently discuss around here. And Mr Williams is exactly correct: America is not a democracy, has never been a democracy, was never intended to be a democracy, and the founders & framers did everything in their power to make sure it never became a democracy.

I always cringe when some allegedly "informed" pundit on TV talks about America as a "democracy".

:rolleyes:

Same here. Of course, this is the way the left (democrats) operate. They make subtle and not-so-subtle language changes and keep repeating them until the media and majority of people use the words and expressions as “truths”. Battle won.

This is why all they is going on now through Trump’s presidency is maybe a blessing. It’s maybe the opportunity to bring up these critical fundamental issues.
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