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#1 User is offline   Robert Conner 

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Posted 27 January 2004 - 11:30 AM

When I asked the question, "What Would YOU Do, If....?", I half-expected a bunch of smart-assed, silly remarks. What I got were some excellent ideas. I lmited the number to 25, simply because I didn't think anyone would come up with more than that. Boy, was I wrong!
Yeah, there were some that were just plain silly, and some that had no bearing ont he topic at hand. However, for the most part, the ideas expressed were excellent. Now, if only one of us could get elected! :D

Here's my list. I would:

1. Seal our borders against unauthorized and/or illegal entry, using the National Guard, if necessary to keep those people out. This would not violate the posse comitus, or any other statute regarding using the military in this manner. Since the purpose of having troops on our boarders is to prevent entry from the outside, and would not prevent anyone from leaving the country, this makes using them strictly a national defense/military matter.

2. All illegal aliens in this country would be given 60 days to get their affairs in order, and ordered to leave at the end of that period. Any illegals caught after those 60 days would recieve 2 years at very hard labor, and deportation at the end of their sentence. Further, I would get rid of the law that makes a child born to foreign citizens, legal or not, automatic citizens of the US. That means that even those who already have dual citizenship, as it currently exists, would be deported to the country of their parents birth.

3. Revise the amount of dues the US pays to the UN based on population, not national wealth. Since the UN has for years proclaimed that all people are equal, here is the chance for them to prove it. Also, I would end all funding for all UN programs not directly covered by the regular dues. Let these other countries, such as the People's Republic of China, (pop. 1,400,000,000), and India, (pop. 1,000,000,000), pay thier share of the load, for a change. For 55 years, the United States has borne the burden of the United Nations, politically, economically, and in times of conflict, lives. It is time for the UN to either stand on its own, or disband.

4. Iniate educational reforms, making performanced-based eduation the rule, rather than the exception, for both students, and educators. If a student does poorly, then his instructors should suffer some form of penalty fro poor job performance. For the child, poor performance, should mean failure to advance, and/or special classes, until they are at the median level. Parents should also be held accountable for their childs poor scholastic performance, perhaps with a tax increase tied to the childs grades. (Not a real good idea, but this part I haven't delved into very deeply, yet.)
Educators should be evaluated, based on objective testing of their students. If a teacher's class is doing poorly, then a pay/benefit cut, and/or a transfer to a less desirable position might be in order.
Also, ALL textbooks must be screened, not by the local schools, but on a national level to help standardize cirriculims. No school text can be used if it shows any signs of historical/policitical revisionism, or political correctness.

5. A flat tax of 10% of a couple's income, instead of all of these other taxes. Plus a sales tax of 5% on all items over $1,000. No sales tax below that level. Business taxes would be on a sliding scale, based on gross sales/income, of no less than 10%, and no more than 18%. Tariff's and duties on imports would be revised, but would remain in place. Sectoral reciprocity would apply to all nations, and the MFN idiocy would be thrown out.

6. Repeal of ALL gun control laws, except for the prohibition of ownership by a felon. I would make the penalties for using, or even posessing a gun, in the commision of a felony, an automatically additional 30 years, no parole, to the sentence for the crime. If a peson dies in the commission of said crime, the death penalty would be automatic, subject to a slimmed down appeals process. ALso permit the carry of guns, either concealed or open, to all legal, law abiding citizens.

7. Return the United States armed forces to pre-Clinton levels, and increase pay, and benefits by 30% to our service people. Re-establish our human intelligence gathering capabilities, in addition to upgrading the technological methods.

8. Review ALL laws and repeal those that have no bearing on our society today. Legally require that any new laws enacted have a sundown clause and be re-evaluated for pertinence every 5 years. Those that are not, would be repealed/scrapped.

9. Put an end to voluntary abortion, unless it can be shown that pregnancy would be fatal to the mother, or that the pregnancy is a result of rape and/or incest. Abortion would also be permissible IF the fetus is shown to have severe birth defects, rendering it incapable of ever taking care of itself. Permissible, but not mandatory. NO abortion may be performed on a minor without parental nitification/consent.

10. Cut off funding for AIDS research in Africa. There are few, if any, AIDS research programs on that continent. The money that Bush pledged would be better used by real researchers, and labs, and there are none in Africa.

11. Sponsor a constitutional amendment to outlaw same-sex marriages/unions, and prohibit any federal benefits to same-sax partners.

12.Streamline the federal government, and reduce the number of federal employees from the current 18,000,000 down to no more than 5,000,000, not including the military, over a 5 year period. Eliminate departments that are bloated, and do not contribute the common good. Also, I would consolidate some agencies, such as Commerce and Transportation, to elimiate waste, and duplication of effort, and reduce the number of laws and regulations.

13. In tandem with #4 above, I would make sure that PBS end all of their "talk" (i.e.,leftist propaganda) programs, and focus on educational programming. At least half of their programming would be for childen, aimed at giving them an earlier start in school. It could be convinced to start a second PBS network devoted only to the arts, such as concerts, plays, classic movies, etc., while the first would be strictly educational.

14. Any church, agency, organization that assists, aids, or offers sanctuary to illegal aliens will have its tax-exempt status reviewed with an eye to revocation. The same with abortion assistance.

15. Increase funding for research into viable, ecologically sound, alternative power/fuel sources to a minimum of $50billion per year. Due to the potential danger of a nuclear accident, I would propose that research into fusion take place off-planet, such as on the far side of the moon, or a small asteriod dragged into a LaGrange parking orbit.

16. A five-year draw down of all entitlement programs, except for those who are unable to support themselves due to health problems. This would include streamlining, and rationalizing the rules and regulations of Social Security, and Medicare/Medicaid. Elimination of all Affirmative Action and anti-discrimination programs/rules/regulations/laws, etc.

17. Write laws, based on the Constitution, that would allow for oversight of the judiciary, and allow for their removal from the bench if found, upon review, to be acting as judicial legislators, and/or activists. Require that the US Supreme Court, be open to the people, for observance. No more decisions handed down behind closed doors. I would also require that all USSC session be televised on C-SPAN.

18. Make the FCC enforce the rules regarding foul language in television, and on the radio. I would also require that tv shows with sexual content, adult language, and graphic violence be shown only after 10pm, and leave prime time for programming that would not embarrass you to watch with your kids, or your mother. Require that the FCC also forbid advertising that targets a particular ethnic demographic. Further, limit the showing of infomercials to one hour per day per station, and to the hours of 1am to 5am.

19. Require the government to divest itself of surplus property, with the proceeds to go into the general fund.

20. Permit the use of deadly force against anyone attempting to sneak into the US on a drug-running/smuggling profile, whether using a ship, boat, or aircraft. A mandatory sentence of death for conviction of smuggling drugs or drug parapalnia into the US. Mandatory life sentence at hard labor without parole for anyone selling any illicit drug to person under the age of 21. No plea bargaining.

21. Elimination of all property tax. And inheritance taxes on estates valued under $500,000.

22. Repeal of the Patriot Act, and a more sensible, constitutionally-correct act, that would be difficult, if not impossible to abuse be enacted in its place.

There's more, but I'll have to add it later. Got to go get the stitches out of my hand. BFN.

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:18 AM

The Advocate, on Jan 27 2004, 08:30 AM, said:

Also, ALL textbooks must be screened, not by the local schools, but on a national level to help standardize cirriculims. No school text can be used if it shows any signs of historical/policitical revisionism, or political correctness.

That is a very Orwellian proposal. The government shouldn't be involved in vetting books.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 01:28 AM

So, QB, you would propose that it is just fine for schools to present any books they like, no matter how inaccurate they are? Figures.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 02:03 AM

Quickie, before you jump in with an opinion, just stop a minute,and think about why I said that. Surely even you should be able to realize that textsbooks full of inaccuracies and falsehoods harm our children.
For example: Social studies books that devote 6 pages to Martin Luther King, Jr, and 2 paragraphs to Goerge Washington, and one line to James Madison!
Textbooks that claim the ONLY reason the civil war was fought was slavery, which is an outright lie.
Or that give more than 30 pages to Hiroshima, and says not one word about the Rape of Nanking, and only two lines about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
Would you call that honest?
Well, perhaps you would, but I would not. Nor would most Americans if they would bother to sitdown and look at these books.
And that is only a small part of it.
Politlical correctness lessons hidden away in childrens books. Teachers who tell our children that the Christian God is garbage, but embraces the God of Islam.
Tell me, quickie, if you had children would you want their heads being filled with lies, falsehoods, mis-statements, and political indoctrination?
Schools are meant to teach children truth, and learning/decision making skills, but how can a child grow up to make effective, intelligent decisions, if they are not taught to to do so?

Think for a moment, before you react. I have a reason for my statements, and I don't just pop them out on demand. I have thought them through.

Now, a suggestion for you, quickie, if I may be so bold. Ask Mark for one of the journals. Let us know that you believe in and what you think. In spite of reading your stuff for more than half a year, I only know where you stand on a couple of issues. Let us have the same chance at you, as you have had at us.
That's only fair, isn't it?
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 02:17 AM

What kind of conservatives are you people? You want the government to vet books for "political correctness"? Why should the government have the power to ban anything it deems "politically correct"? Such a power would be ripe for abuse. In practice, your proposal will never come to fruition because it would require radical constitutional reform, and there is no public clamour for reduced freedom of speech. But hypothetically, if it were constitutional, why would it be desirable? Wouldn't it be better for an independent body such as a panel of historical experts to assess the quality of school history text books?

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Posted 28 January 2004 - 02:31 AM

He's talking about revising History in the name of "Political Correctness". Nobody cares what the truth is... we just don't offend anybody.


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Posted 28 January 2004 - 02:46 AM

quickbeam, on Jan 28 2004, 02:17 AM, said:

What kind of conservatives are you people? You want the government to vet books for "political correctness"? Why should the government have the power to ban anything it deems "politically correct"? Such a power would be ripe for abuse. In practice, your proposal will never come to fruition because it would require radical constitutional reform, and there is no public clamour for reduced freedom of speech. But hypothetically, if it were constitutional, why would it be desirable? Wouldn't it be better for an independent body such as a panel of historical experts to assess the quality of school history text books?

If the educators were honest, and the publishers had more integrity, such a position would nt be necessary.
What I want are textbooks that are factual, not PC fantasy. I also believe that all schools should use the same books, nationwide, and that there sure be a standardized curriculum, so that if a child moves from Strawberry Point, Iowa, to Miami, Florida, they don't suffer the additional emotional trauma of playing catch-up.
If our educators were honest and truthful, there would be no need for textbooks to be reviewed for PC, would there?

The leftists have gotten the National Park Service to stop selling a book in their Grand Canyon gift shops that talks about the creationist theory vs. the evolutionary thoery about the formation of the Grand Canyon. Yet, they are still selling the "scientific" theory books. Is that honest? Is it fair? No.

You leftists are far more intolerant of dissenting opinions that we conservatives are, and quickie, you of all people should realize that. I went to the DU, and a couple of other leftist forum, and asked the question, " Is it remotely possible that George Bush is right?" That got me instantly booted from DU, and the thread removed.

When I see a conservative, and a leftist debating, the leftist usually either shouts the conservative down, or will not let him make his statement, even after letting the lefty has his say, uninteruppted. yet, if a conservative behaved in the same manner that a leftist does, you will hear cries of "CENSORSHIP! UNFAIR! BIAS!"

Leftists are the most intolerant people I have ever seen.

You think that the power to choose textbooks that tell the truth would be an "abuse of power?" Qickie, just what the hell do yout think is happening right now? The boards/groups that choose those books are abusing that power to an unbelievable extent.

I don't know why you think ir would require a "radical constitutional reform". There is nothing unconstitutional about the truth. It is not censorship, or a violation of the First Amendment, so where is you justification for that claim?

Your panel is not a bad idea, if they can be intellectually honest, and unbiased. But that is not how primary and secondary schools books are chosen in this country. They are chosen by NEA reps, liberal teachers, and other leftist groups.
I would much rather have a panel of experts choose those books and get that job out of the hands of political hacks.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 03:14 AM

Quickie, FYI, here are some examples of the very things I have been speaking of regarding dis-honest textbooks


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"A Message Of Ancient Days", published by Houghton-Mifflin
In the Islam section, our children are asked to assume they are Muslim soldiers, being on a Mecca pilgrimage (act of worship), to research and build Mosques. Many California schools have asked children to get on their hands and knees and repeat words of prayer to Allah. I was anxious to see what the Jewish and Christian sections told children to imagine. 

In the Jewish section, the ONLY imagination practice I could find was to imagine they are with the Jews when they were conquered and forced to live away from their homeland. (pg 314)

In the Christian section, the ONLY imagination practice was to imagine being in the buried catacombs of the dead Christians.  (pg 469) 

What religion would rejoice if these imagination exercises came true?  Jews conquered and forced from their homeland and Christians in tombs of dead Christians?  The symbolism of that, putting Christians, the body of Christ, back in the tomb…  I’m speechless.   

II.  TEXT  SCORNS  CHRISTIANITY,  JUDAISM;  PROMOTES  ISLAM:

Jesus as Savior compared to Muhammad as Prophet:

To accept Islam, one must say, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his Prophet.”  To receive Jesus Christ, one must “Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart Jesus is Lord.”  Compared below please find the number of words in the textbook that support respective claims:

  Words supporting claims                          Disclaimers 
Jesus Christ as Lord:        116                    10  (i.e. Christians believe)
Muhammad as Prophet:  998                      9  (i.e. Muslims believe)

That is not a typo.
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That is only one single instance. I will show others tomorrow, but I need to call it a day for now.
And there are plenty of cases to chose from.
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Posted 28 January 2004 - 03:12 PM

I like your platform The Advocate. Sounds very libertarian to me. I like to see the education system privatized and government downsized dramatically. Also, we should go by what the Constitution says.
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Posted 31 January 2004 - 05:58 PM

Ptarmigan, on Jan 28 2004, 03:12 PM, said:

I like your platform The Advocate. Sounds very libertarian to me. I like to see the education system privatized and government downsized dramatically. Also, we should go by what the Constitution says.

Well! That's the first time I have ever been called a Libertarian! A lot of other things, but never that! :P

Actually, it's not a matter of philosphy, as it is plain common sense. We need to return to educating our children honestly, or they will akways be doomed to failure.
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Posted 31 January 2004 - 06:39 PM

mark, on Jan 28 2004, 01:28 AM, said:

So, QB, you would propose that it is just fine for schools to present any books they like, no matter how inaccurate they are? Figures.

As long as those books are not "Huckleberry Finn", Tom Sawyer", "Little Women", Uncle Tom's Cabin", or Gone With The Wind", or "The Wizard Of Oz".
The list of "offensive" books to the liberals far exceed the books that conservatives find offensive.
I just keep waiting for them to have Book-Burning Rallys.

I don't believe that quickie really cares what books are used to teach children, as long as they agree with his leftist views views.
I wonder how many of the books on this list we would vote to ban?

(The bolded ones, I have read myself)
The 100 Most Frequently Challenged Books of 1990–1999
Scary Stories (Series) by Alvin Schwartz
Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
Forever by Judy Blume
Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
The Giver by Lois Lowry
My Brother Sam is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
It’s Perfectly Normal by Robie Harris
Alice (Series) by Phyllis Reynolds Naylor
Goosebumps (Series) by R.L. Stine
A Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Newton Peck
The Color Purple by Alice Walker
Sex by Madonna
Earth’s Children (Series) by Jean M. Auel
The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
The Witches by Roald Dahl
A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
The New Joy of Gay Sex by Charles Silverstein
Go Ask Alice by Anonymous
The Goats by Brock Cole
The Stupids (Series) by Harry Allard
Anastasia Krupnik (Series) by Lois Lowry
Final Exit by Derek Humphry
Blubber by Judy Blume
Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
Julie of the Wolves by Jean Craighead George
Kaffir Boy by Mark Mathabane
The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison
What’s Happening to my Body? Book for Girls: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Daughters by Lynda Madaras
Fallen Angels by Walter Dean Myers
The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton
The Pigman by Paul Zindel
To Kill a Mockingbird by Harper Lee
We All Fall Down by Robert Cormier
Deenie by Judy Blume
Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
Annie on my Mind by Nancy Garden
Beloved by Toni Morrison
The Boy Who Lost His Face by Louis Sachar
Cross Your Fingers, Spit in Your Hat by Alvin Schwartz
Harry Potter (Series) by J.K. Rowling
Cujo by Stephen King
James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
A Light in the Attic by Shel Silverstein
Ordinary People by Judith Guest
American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis
Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
Sleeping Beauty Trilogy by A.N. Roquelaure (Anne Rice)
Bumps in the Night by Harry Allard
Asking About Sex and Growing Up by Joanna Cole
What’s Happening to my Body? Book for Boys: A Growing-Up Guide for Parents & Sons by Lynda Madaras
The Anarchist Cookbook by William Powell
Are You There, God? It’s Me, Margaret by Judy Blume
Boys and Sex by Wardell Pomeroy
Crazy Lady by Jane Conly
Athletic Shorts by Chris Crutcher
Killing Mr. Griffin by Lois Duncan
Fade by Robert Cormier
Guess What? by Mem Fox
Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Native Son by Richard Wright
Women on Top: How Real Life Has Changed Women’s Fantasies by Nancy Friday
Curses, Hexes and Spells by Daniel Cohen
On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
The House of Spirits by Isabel Allende
Jack by A.M. Homes
Arizona Kid by Ron Koertge
Family Secrets by Norma Klein
Mommy Laid An Egg by Babette Cole
Bless Me, Ultima by Rudolfo A. Anaya
Where Did I Come From? by Peter Mayle
The Face on the Milk Carton by Caroline Cooney
Carrie by Stephen King
The Dead Zone by Stephen King
The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison
Always Running by Luis Rodriguez
Private Parts by Howard Stern
Where’s Waldo? by Martin Hanford?????????????????????????????????
Summer of My German Soldier by Bette Greene
Tiger Eyes by Judy Blume
Little Black Sambo by Helen Bannerman
Pillars of the Earth by Ken Follett
Running Loose by Chris Crutcher
Sex Education by Jenny Davis
Jumper by Steven Gould
Christine by Stephen King
The Drowning of Stephen Jones by Bette Greene
That Was Then, This is Now by S.E. Hinton
Girls and Sex by Wardell Pomeroy
The Wish Giver by Bill Brittain
Jump Ship to Freedom by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier
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Posted 07 February 2004 - 02:01 PM

mark, on Jan 28 2004, 01:28 AM, said:

So, QB, you would propose that it is just fine for schools to present any books they like, no matter how inaccurate they are? Figures.

Mark, it seems that once again, quickie has ducked a question. Which should come as no surprise to anyone here.

I can't help but wonder when the lefty's are going to scream that the number 9 is being discriminated against, and that all math problems and solutions must have a certain number of 9's in them?

My daughter had to sit down and tell my grand-daughter that her twxt books are wrong about certain things. And when she told her teachers that the book was wrong, they punished her by taking away her recess privileges for a week.
(It didn't stick. My daughter made damn sure of that.)

But how many parents ever check their kids textbooks for accuracy? Not too many, sad to say. :)
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Posted 21 February 2004 - 08:16 PM

The Advocate, on Jan 28 2004, 12:14 AM, said:

Quickie, FYI, here are some examples of the very things I have been speaking of regarding dis-honest textbooks


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"A Message Of Ancient Days", published by Houghton-Mifflin
In the Islam section, our children are asked to assume they are Muslim soldiers, being on a Mecca pilgrimage (act of worship), to research and build Mosques. Many California schools have asked children to get on their hands and knees and repeat words of prayer to Allah. I was anxious to see what the Jewish and Christian sections told children to imagine. 

In the Jewish section, the ONLY imagination practice I could find was to imagine they are with the Jews when they were conquered and forced to live away from their homeland. (pg 314)

In the Christian section, the ONLY imagination practice was to imagine being in the buried catacombs of the dead Christians.  (pg 469) 

What religion would rejoice if these imagination exercises came true?  Jews conquered and forced from their homeland and Christians in tombs of dead Christians?  The symbolism of that, putting Christians, the body of Christ, back in the tomb…   I’m speechless.   

II.  TEXT  SCORNS  CHRISTIANITY,  JUDAISM;  PROMOTES   ISLAM:

Jesus as Savior compared to Muhammad as Prophet:

To accept Islam, one must say, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his Prophet.”  To receive Jesus Christ, one must “Confess with your mouth and believe in your heart Jesus is Lord.”  Compared below please find the number of words in the textbook that support respective claims:

   Words supporting claims                          Disclaimers  
Jesus Christ as Lord:        116                    10  (i.e. Christians believe)
Muhammad as Prophet:   998                      9  (i.e. Muslims believe)

That is not a typo.
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That is only one single instance. I will show others tomorrow, but I need to call it a day for now.
And there are plenty of cases to chose from.

Well, that can kind of be attributed to the fact that few kids know anything about Islam, whereas most kids participate in Christian holidays and have been to church even if they aren't Christian. The imbalance of Christian teachings over Muslim teachings in our society is what the textbook is attempting to remedy by providing the opposite imbalance.

Also, I have a copy of the said textbook, and it covers the historical period up to the fall of the Roman Empire. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Islam was founded centuries after the Roman Empire fell. Maybe the teachings about Islam are in a different textbook, but it's either a serious lie or a serioys error.
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Posted 09 March 2004 - 10:17 PM

While I appreciate your stance on abortion, allow me to be a devil's advocate. Let me start this by saying it would not be an option I would choose for myself. HOWEVER, her are my thoughts. 1. a child who born unwanted many times suffers at the hands of idiot parents and is lead to a not-so-happy or productive life. This does not benefit society and trust me is not a favor to the child. I have seen some horrible things done to these kids. 2. when abortion was illegal, women did awful things to themselves to get rid of pregnancies, often resulting in loss of fertility forever and loss of life. 3. you may say that birth control is readily available. Stupid people do not use it. These same people do not opt to adopt out. Abortion is again a better option to prevent the points in number 1.

Late-term abortion is just horrible and should never be done.
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Posted 10 March 2004 - 12:45 AM

I'd vote for you Advocate. May I write you in on my ballot this fall?
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Posted 10 March 2004 - 01:42 AM

I'd still vote for you, though. :yourock:
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Posted 19 March 2004 - 03:19 PM

The two I had a problem with were 2 and 14.

Number two would deport all dual citizens who are children of immigrants? My grandfather's parents came here from Ireland in the 1920s. He's a dual citizen. His parents got American citizenship after a time. He's lived in America all his life. I don't believe that someone like him should be deported to a country he's never lived in. Sure, I can see that maybe allowing anyone who's born here to be a citizen isn't the best idea, but surely there's a better way to correct it than by deporting loyal Americans who've never lived elsewhere.

Number 14 is good in theory, but I wonder how far it will go. For instance, if an illegal immigrant from Mexico goes to a Catholic church and walks up to take communion, is the priest supposed to ask to see a green card? If he gives communion to the immigrant, will his parish lose tax exempt status? Or maybe the entire Catholic church in America will lose it? I know that this isn't the goal of your platform, but it seems to me that the potential here for intervention by the government in church affairs is too great.

Othere than that I rather liked your platform. I think that books used in government run schools should certainly be verified as being accurate. Private schools should be able to use whatever books they want, but they should also realize their students need to pass standardized tests. For instance, a Moslem school can emphasize Islam all it wants, but if the students can't identify any figures from Christian Europe then they won't do well on a history exam.
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Posted 19 March 2004 - 03:45 PM

Ard Ri, on Mar 19 2004, 03:19 PM, said:

The two I had a problem with were 2 and 14.

Number two would deport all dual citizens who are children of immigrants? My grandfather's parents came here from Ireland in the 1920s. He's a dual citizen. His parents got American citizenship after a time. He's lived in America all his life. I don't believe that someone like him should be deported to a country he's never lived in. Sure, I can see that maybe allowing anyone who's born here to be a citizen isn't the best idea, but surely there's a better way to correct it than by deporting loyal Americans who've never lived elsewhere.

Number 14 is good in theory, but I wonder how far it will go. For instance, if an illegal immigrant from Mexico goes to a Catholic church and walks up to take communion, is the priest supposed to ask to see a green card? If he gives communion to the immigrant, will his parish lose tax exempt status? Or maybe the entire Catholic church in America will lose it? I know that this isn't the goal of your platform, but it seems to me that the potential here for intervention by the government in church affairs is too great.

Othere than that I rather liked your platform. I think that books used in government run schools should certainly be verified as being accurate. Private schools should be able to use whatever books they want, but they should also realize their students need to pass standardized tests. For instance, a Moslem school can emphasize Islam all it wants, but if the students can't identify any figures from Christian Europe then they won't do well on a history exam.

I don't want your grand-dad sent away either. I should have clarified my point. I meant deportation of dual-citizenship holders who are minor children, with at least one parent.
But, I do believe that dual-citizenship holders should be required to either renounce, in writing, the citizenship in the other country, or give up their American citezenship, and be required to leave this country. (Peter Jennings is a prime example.)

Regarding #14, I am nopt spekaing of regular, everyday religous services. I am talking about those churches that offer sanctuary, financial assistance, housing assistance, or other substantial aid.
Coming in for normal services should not require ID.

School books, used in any publicly funded school, or school that recieves any sort of federal monies, should be checked and evaluated for truthfulness and accuracy. Further, if those books being used cannot meet this criteria, then they should be removed from use.
That only makes sense, doesn't it?
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Posted 10 March 2006 - 01:53 AM

This is the first time I have looked at this thread in just about 2 years, and I noticed something interesting.

There is not a thing I would change, in any substantial form, to any of the items I listed.
I suppose that means that I wouldn't make a good politician.
I'm much too consistant. :salute:

There are some things that I would add, but nothing that I would remove.

Gee, how many politicians can say that?
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Posted 14 March 2006 - 08:44 AM

I'd vote for you in a heartbeat.

I don't agree with 21 though. Inheritance tax is a very sore point in my family. My parents paid more than 1/3 of what they got from my Grandmother back to the government in taxes. This money was taxed when my grandfather earned it, it was taxed when he died, and then again when my grandmother died. The government should not be able to TRIPLE tax the same money just because someone dies.

I don't care that it was well over the 500,000 range. It is a bit too liberal for my blood to agree with a group being forced to pay just because they have more. I won't give numbers, but I will say that the amount paid to the government is more than hubby and I will probably ever even make. It was obscene.
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