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Fonda, Jane

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Posted 15 April 2003 - 05:39 PM

Jane Fonda

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Hanoi Jane
There is so much information about Hanoi Jane on the internet, and just about everyone knows about it already, that I’m not going to dig out the quotes and stories about the American traitor here. Over time, I may, but for now, just search the internet for Hanoi Jane and you’ll find everything you need to know. But, here is one that kind of says it all:

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"I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists." -- Fonda, Michigan State University, 1970

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Ignorant Americans

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"I don't know if a country where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world." -- April 9, 2003

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American POWs are "Hypocrites and Liars"
When American POWs began to return home and describe the tortures they had endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese, Jane Fonda told the country they should "not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars."

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"These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed." The POWs who said they had been tortured were "exaggerating, probably for their own self-interest,"

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"Never in the history of the United States have POWs come home looking like football players. These football players are no more heroes than Custer was. They're military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to law."

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Posted 15 April 2003 - 11:29 PM

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:19:32 -0700
Subject: WHEN JANE FONDA SPOKE OUT

By permission from the author

WHEN JANE FONDA SPOKE OUT
By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe

June 17, 1999

Another honor for Jane Fonda: At its national convention in Washington,
DC, next week, the American Association of University Women will bestow its
new Speaking Out for Justice Award on the famous actress and aerobics
queen. She is being hailed, the AAUW says, as "a committed activist who champions
the environment, human rights, and the empowerment of women and girls."

To judge from the AAUW's two-page biography of its honoree, Fonda has
also championed anti-gang efforts in California, rural villagers in
Tanzania, student theatrical work in Georgia, and open-space preservation in Montana.
The bio mentions the Oscar she won for her role in "Klute," her "books,
cookbooks, and videos," her work on preventing teen-age pregnancy, and the
Fonda Family Foundation, which promotes "gender, racial, and environmental
justice." It talks about the children's camp she used to run, it lists the
boards of directors she serves on, and it even has something to say about
her roles in "The China Syndrome" and "9 to 5."

But the AAUW document leaves a few things out. There is no mention of
"Barbarella," for instance. Or of Ted Turner. Or of Jim Jones and his
People's Temple cult, which Fonda praised -- a few months before the mass
suicide in Guyana -- as "the church I relate to most" for its "sense of
what life is all about." Above all, the AAUW makes no reference to what was
surely the most dramatic illustration of the lengths this "committed activist" has
been willing to go in support of her ideals.

I am looking at a picture that ran in The New York Times on Sunday, July
16, 1972. The photo shows Fonda clapping, with a wide grin on her face and
three cameras around her neck, as she watches a helmeted soldier operate an
anti-aircraft gun. Six or seven other men, most of them in uniform, can be
seen as well.

The picture was taken in Southeast Asia. Fonda had flown over to assist
the war effort -- the North Vietnamese war effort. The rocket launcher she
was so gleefully applauding was used to shoot down US pilots. Fonda had
come to Hanoi to provide aid and comfort to a vicious dictatorship at war with
the United States, and specifically to assist in demoralizing American
prisoners of war. In a series of broadcasts for Radio Hanoi, Fonda denounced "US
imperialism," praised the valor of the North Vietnamese, and urged American
GIs to disobey orders.

"I'm speaking particularly to the US servicemen," she said in one
broadcast. "I don't know what your officers tell you ... but [your] weapons
are illegal and ... the men who are ordering you to use these weapons are
war criminals according to international law. In the past, in Germany and
Japan, men who committed these kinds of crimes were tried and executed."

Fonda's North Vietnam propaganda tour is rarely spoken of today. It is
considered churlish to bring it up, a sign that one is ideologically
stunted, a rigid Cold Warrior unwilling to let bygones be bygones.

But where is the integrity in giving Fonda a "Speaking Out for Justice"
award without acknowledging what she said and did at the most outspoken
moment of her life? Fonda's behavior in 1972 was horrible, no less for its
disloyalty than for its cruelty. She did more than applaud North Vietnam's
anti-aircraft artillery. She also climbed into the gunner's seat, donned an
enemy helmet, and peered through the gunsight -- "as if," Fred Cherry, a
POW whose F-105 had been blown out of the sky by just such a weapon, would
later say, "she was attempting to shoot down an American aircraft.... It was very
upsetting knowing an American celebrity was doing that kind of thing."

Even that wasn't the worst of it. POWs were tortured for refusing to
meet with Fonda and pose for propaganda shots with her. Navy Captain David
Hoffman was hung by his broken arm from a hook in the ceiling until he
agreed to take part. Michael Benge, a civilian POW, was forced to kneel on a
concrete floor, arms extended, with a heavy metal rebar laid across his
hands; every time his arms sagged from the weight, he was whipped with a
bamboo cane.

Later, when the POWs came home and told what they had suffered in
Hanoi's prison camps, Fonda called them "hypocrites and liars."

So far as I am aware, she has never apologized for that slander. Nor for
championing a Communist victory in Southeast Asia. Nor for denouncing Joan
Baez in 1979, when the former antiwar activist asked Fonda to join her in
condemning the communists' massive human rights violations.

She did say -- once -- that she was sorry for the "men who were in
Vietnam who I hurt." That was in 1988, when veterans' protests in New
England were delaying production of a movie she was making. Fonda went on "20/20"
to tell Barbara Walters that she regretted having been "thoughtless and
careless" -- but insisted that she had nothing against the soldiers she had
called war criminals and liars. "My intentions were never to hurt them or
make their situation worse."

Jane Fonda was 34 in 1972. Her decision to abet the totalitarians who
were engaged in killing her fellow-Americans was not an adolescent whim. It
was an adult choice, and it was beneath contempt. And now she is to be
honored for "speaking out for justice?" What can the American Association
of University Women be thinking?

(Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe. His e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com) ------------------------------
End veterans Digest (06/20/1999 18:22)
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Posted 15 April 2003 - 11:31 PM

Interesting article entiteld, "If Fonda is so Sorry Let Her Say So." Link


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Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969;
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."

and more at this web site.
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Posted 15 April 2003 - 11:48 PM

Jane Fonda quote link, with recent quotes as well.

http://vikingphoenix.com/public/CelebrityF...a/JaneFonda.htm

I cannot confirm all of the quotes mentioned at this site, however, it is a starting point.
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http://www.geocities...ymike/jane.html

Hanoi Jane's Broadcast from Hanoi,
on August 22, 1972 from the Hotel Especen;
Hanoi-Vietnam


The following public domain information is a transcript from the US Congress House Committee on Internal Security, Travel to Hostile Areas, HR 16742, 19-25 September, 1972, page 7671. (From the CompuServe Military Veteran's Forum)
[Radio Hanoi attributes talk on DRV visit to Jane Fonda; from Hanoi in English to American servicemen involved in the Indochina War, 1 PM GMT, 22 August 1972. Text: Here's Jane Fonda telling her impressions at the end of her visit to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam; (follows recorded female voice with American accent)


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This is Jane Fonda. During my two week visit in the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, I've had the opportunity to visit a great many places and speak to a large number of people from all walks of life-workers, peasants, students, artists and dancers, historians, journalists, film actresses, soldiers, militia girls, members of the women's union, writers.

I visited the (Dam Xuac) agricultural coop, where the silk worms are also raised and thread is made. I visited a textile factory, a kindergarten in Hanoi. The beautiful Temple of Literature was where I saw traditional dances and heard songs of resistance. I also saw unforgettable ballet about the guerrillas training bees in the south to attack enemy soldiers. The bees were danced by women, and they did their job well.

In the shadow of the Temple of Literature I saw Vietnamese actors and actresses perform the second act of Arthur Miller's play All My Sons, and this was very moving to me-the fact that artists here are translating and performing American plays while US imperialists are bombing their country.

I cherish the memory of the blushing militia girls on the roof of their factory, encouraging one of their sisters as she sang a song praising the blue sky of Vietnam-these women, who are so gentle and poetic, whose voices are so beautiful, but who, when American planes are bombing their city, become such good fighters.

I cherish the way a farmer evacuated from Hanoi, without hesitation, offered me, an American, their best individual bomb shelter while US bombs fell near by. The daughter and I, in fact, shared the shelter wrapped in each others arms, cheek against cheek. It was on the road back from Nam Dinh, where I had witnessed the systematic destruction of civilian targets-schools, hospitals, pagodas, the factories, houses, and the dike system.

As I left the United States two weeks ago, Nixon was again telling the American people that he was winding down the war, but in the rubble-strewn streets of Nam Dinh, his words echoed with sinister (words indistinct) of a true killer. And like the young Vietnamese woman I held in my arms clinging to me tightly-and I pressed my cheek against hers-I thought, this is a war against Vietnam perhaps, but the tragedy is America's.

One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I've been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he'll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo-colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist.

I've spoken to many peasants who talked about the days when their parents had to sell themselves to landlords as virtually slaves, when there were very few schools and much illiteracy, inadequate medical care, when they were not masters of their own lives.

But now, despite the bombs, despite the crimes being created-being committed against them by Richard Nixon, these people own their own land, build their own schools-the children learning, literacy- illiteracy is being wiped out, there is no more prostitution as there was during the time when this was a French colony. In other words, the people have taken power into their own hands, and they are controlling their own lives.

And after 4,000 years of struggling against nature and foreign invaders-and the last 25 years, prior to the revolution, of struggling against French colonialism-I don't think that the people of Vietnam are about to compromise in any way, shape or form about the freedom and independence of their country, and I think Richard Nixon would do well to read Vietnamese history, particularly their poetry, and particularly the poetry written by Ho Chi Minh.

[recording ends]

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http://www.geocities...ymike/jane.html

"THE APOLOGY"?

In 1988, 16 years after her tour of Hanoi when she made her famous radio broadcast and had her picture taken behind the anti- aircraft guns that were shooting down US pilots, Jane Fonda appeared on 20/20 and was interviewed by Barbara Walters. The timing of the interview is interesting. Jane Fonda was making a movie in New England and the movie's production schedule was seriously interrupted by demonstrations from angry Vietnam Veterans. Jane Fonda's participation in the interview may have been an attempt to help appease the angry protestors. Two versions of this interview exist, one an actual transcript, the other a press release.


The transcript reads:

Barbara Walters:
"There are still people who . . . I guess feel you have never apologized. Would you like to just say something to them now?"

Jane Fonda:

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"Well . . . it's not . . . I would like to say something not just to . . . the Vietnam veterans . . . in New England . . . but . . . to . . . to men who were in Vietnam who . . . who I hurt . . . or who's pain I caused to . . .deepen because of things I said . . . or did . . . I . . . I feel that I owe them an apology . . . my intentions were never to hurt them . . . or to make their situation worse, it was . . . it was the contrary . . . I was trying to help end the war . . . but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I . . . and I am very sorry . . . that I hurt them . . . and I want to apologize to them and to their families . . . "




This was released to the media

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"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did," Fonda said. "I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm . . . very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."




Now, that "apology" might make you feel all warm and cozy, but it doesn't do it for me.
I still ain't fonda the traitor Hanoi Jane!
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http://www.snopes.co...itary/fonda.htm

The most prominent example of a clash between private citizen protest and governmental military policy in recent history occurred in July 1972, when actress Jane Fonda arrived in Hanoi, North Vietnam, and began a two-week tour of the country conducted by uniformed military hosts. Aside from visiting villages, hospitals, schools, and factories, Fonda also posed for pictures in which she was shown applauding North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners, was photographed peering into the sights of an NVA anti-aircraft artillery launcher, and made ten propagandistic Tokyo Rose-like radio broadcasts in which she denounced American political and military leaders as "war criminals." She also spoke with eight American POWs at a carefully arranged "press conference," POWS who had been tortured by their North Vietnamese captors to force them to meet with Fonda, deny they had been tortured, and decry the American war effort. Fonda apparently didn't notice (or care) that the POWs were delivering their lines under duress or find it unusual the she was not allowed to visit the prisoner-of-war camp (commonly known as the "Hanoi Hilton") itself. She merely went home and told the world that "[the POWs] assured me they were in good health. When I asked them if they were brainwashed, they all laughed. Without exception, they expressed shame at what they had done." She did, however, charge that North Vietnamese POWs were systematically tortured in American prison-of-war camps.

(Finally, in an interview in 2000, almost thirty years after the fact, Fonda admitted: "I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft carrier, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.")


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