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Why The Right Should Start Taking Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Seriously

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MontyPython

I wasn't talking about white supremacists. The OP drew parallels between the appeal and acceptance of Cortez and Trump, despite their both making comments that demonstrate their ignorance about government matters. Look, Trump himself made the comment he could "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" and not "lose any voters.". He was absolutely correct.

 

Whether you consider that statement by Trump "correct" or obvious and intentional hyperbole, it bears no relevance to "government matters", and therefore demonstrates nothing resembling "ignorance about government matters".

 

Sheesh, wake the hell up. Drink a cup of strong coffee before posting such self-embarrassing stuff.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

His supporters will defend anything he does and turn on those who disagree with him, as Ammon Bundy has learned the hard way.

 

*yawn*

 

That is, of course, bullsh*t. Unlike Obama's supporters over the previous 8 years (who actually did worship Obama's every burp and fart, and apparently still do), there are damn few Trump supporters who will defend "anything he does". Sure there is a tiny minority who fit that description, including one or two right here at RN. That's right, one or two. The rest of us don't hesitate to openly disagree with him on plenty of occasions. For example, plenty of us (myself included) have openly opposed his position on tariffs. Plenty of us (myself included) have openly scolded his handling of the Saudi's prince's obvious involvement in the Khashoggi murder. Plenty of us (myself included) have been saying for a couple years what a loud-mouthed bombastic bully he can be, how childish and thin-skinned he often is, how embarrassing his silly "twitter wars" are and wish somebody would just take away his cellphone. Etc etc etc. Any suggestion Trump's supporters are ANYWHERE NEAR the level of sycophancy Obama's supporters are steeped in is submoronic.

 

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Ladybird

Whether you consider that statement by Trump "correct" or obvious and intentional hyperbole, it bears no relevance to "government matters", and therefore demonstrates nothing resembling "ignorance about government matters".

 

Sheesh, wake the hell up. Drink a cup of strong coffee before posting such self-embarrassing stuff.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

*yawn*

 

That is, of course, bullsh*t. Unlike Obama's supporters over the previous 8 years (who actually did worship Obama's every burp and fart, and apparently still do), there are damn few Trump supporters who will defend "anything he does". Sure there is a tiny minority who fit that description, including one or two right here at RN. That's right, one or two. The rest of us don't hesitate to openly disagree with him on plenty of occasions. For example, plenty of us (myself included) have openly opposed his position on tariffs. Plenty of us (myself included) have openly scolded his handling of the Saudi's prince's obvious involvement in the Khashoggi murder. Plenty of us (myself included) have been saying for a couple years what a loud-mouthed bombastic bully he can be, how childish and thin-skinned he often is, how embarrassing his silly "twitter wars" are and wish somebody would just take away his cellphone. Etc etc etc. Any suggestion Trump's supporters are ANYWHERE NEAR the level of sycophancy Obama's supporters are steeped in is submoronic.

 

<_<

 

 

I wasn't using that as an example of government matters. Just pointing out that Trump himself understood the fanaticism of his supporters. As for government matters, I meant things like this:

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jeffrey-h-anderson/trump-on-the-separation-of-powers-judges-sign-bills

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html

 

I believe these sort of things are what the OP was referring to.

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JerryL

I wasn't using that as an example of government matters. Just pointing out that Trump himself understood the fanaticism of his supporters. As for government matters, I meant things like this:

https://www.weeklystandard.com/jeffrey-h-anderson/trump-on-the-separation-of-powers-judges-sign-bills

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/index.html

 

I believe these sort of things are what the OP was referring to.

You just ignored a pretty detailed rebuttal of the "fanaticism" of Trump supporters in the very post you replied to. You do realize that?

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Oathtaker

It was similar. Trump appealed to the fears of some his supportes and 'trumpted' answers borne of ignorance, whether purposeful or not. It was apparent to anyone actually paying attention, which is why the depth of appeal was miscalculated. That's where I think the OP was on the mark. NOTE: I am not saying ALL of his supporte are/were naïve or ignorant rubes, just so we're clear. It was enough of a cushion to put him over the top and still keep him there.

I don't believe Cortez has or can even generate the sort of fanatical following that Trump possesses, though she is still pretty young. By fanatical following I mean the 'always and forever' Trumpers who won't believe anything negative about him, even when it comes his own lips.

 

In politics to be successful you need to get to the lowest common denominator of intelligence to have broad appeal.

 

For the more decerning voter, electorally speaking, Trumps appeal was less personality and more action driven. I like what his administration has been able to accomplish but, I’m not the biggest fan of his “TV persona”. I prefer an more intellectual evisceration of deserving idiots and less of a bombastic style but that’s me.

 

That being said there are many, many voters who voted for him in the “anybody but Clinton” crowd.

 

Are Trumps ardent fans “fanatics”? Probably not as much as they’re made out to be.

 

Do they support him? Absolutely. I do as well.

 

AOC is a nit wit and she has a much lower common denominatior in her “sample size”. She talks a lot of crap and her sycophants aren’t smart enough to figure it out. All the garbage she is promising requires people other than her supporters to thrive economically so they can be bled, I mean taxed...

 

I unfortunately have dealt with the mental pygmies that follow her ideology.

 

I show them this quote and they go gaga:

 

“We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

 

Until they figure out who actually said it...

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MontyPython

You [Ladybird] just ignored a pretty detailed rebuttal of the "fanaticism" of Trump supporters in the very post you replied to. You do realize that?

 

Meh, I've come to expect that from her. It's really sad how deeply she has dived into mindless partisanship after Nov '16.

 

I know I always get disagreement from certain rightwingers here whenever I say this: But she used to be better than this, and I really miss the old Ladybird. Oh well, I can't "force" her to go back to being more objective and reasonable.

 

:shrug:

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Tea Party Hooligan

The author has a legitimate point. Everybody knows AOC is hilariously stupid. Hell, even the Democrats know she's stupid. But she was elected, wasn't she? Clearly stupidity doesn't prevent Democrats from being elected. In fact, it's voter stupidity that gets Democrats elected in the first place.

 

And yes, that's very scary.

 

:coolshades:

 

 

I've got one word for you that backs your claim: Biden

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BootsieBets

Meh, I've come to expect that from her. It's really sad how deeply she has dived into mindless partisanship after Nov '16.

 

I know I always get disagreement from certain rightwingers here whenever I say this: But she used to be better than this, and I really miss the old Ladybird. Oh well, I can't "force" her to go back to being more objective and reasonable.

 

:shrug:

Yes, I think there is a condition overtaking democrats since Obama. They were so taken by him they couldn’t get over the fact that he was leaving office and then when the heir apparent Mzzz. Hillary didn’t win it caused some kind of mental break. They snapped. I know that my bat cr@p crazy sister (I’m going to trade mark that) became a rabid progressive during the Obama years and then became part of the “resistance” like she is in the French underground and fighting Nazis, sheesh. I can’t even discuss politics with her anymore. I don’t think she even knew what party most of the presidents were in before Obama, now she is like all woke and everything.

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MontyPython

I've got one word for you that backs your claim: Biden

 

Ayup. Biden - The automatic gaffe dispenser.

 

 

Yes, I think there is a condition overtaking democrats since Obama. They were so taken by him they couldn’t get over the fact that he was leaving office and then when the heir apparent Mzzz. Hillary didn’t win it caused some kind of mental break. They snapped. I know that my bat cr@p crazy sister (I’m going to trade mark that) became a rabid progressive during the Obama years and then became part of the “resistance” like she is in the French underground and fighting Nazis, sheesh. I can’t even discuss politics with her anymore. I don’t think she even knew what party most of the presidents were in before Obama, now she is like all woke and everything.

 

Yeah, same with my sister & brother-in-law. We've always had our political differences, but before Obama we used to be able to discuss them rationally and without anger or vitriol. It used to sound like this:

 

"I think ______________"

"Well I don't agree because ___________"

"That a good point, but have you considered _________?"

"Hmmm, that's a good point too, but what about ________?"

"Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But still, ___________"

"Yeah that's reasonable, but I think __________"

 

And so forth. But not anymore. Ever since Obama, and especially ever since the election of Trump, it's just plain impossible to have a political discussion with either of them without body armor and hand grenades.

 

I really miss the pre-Obama & pre-Trump attitudes you used to be able to occasionally run across on the left. Such animals are apparently extinct now.

 

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BootsieBets

 

Yeah, same with my sister & brother-in-law. We've always had our political differences, but before Obama we used to be able to discuss them rationally and without anger or vitriol. It used to sound like this:

 

"I think ______________"

"Well I don't agree because ___________"

"That a good point, but have you considered _________?"

"Hmmm, that's a good point too, but what about ________?"

"Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But still, ___________"

"Yeah that's reasonable, but I think __________"

 

And so forth. But not anymore. Ever since Obama, and especially ever since the election of Trump, it's just plain impossible to have a political discussion with either of them without body armor and hand grenades.

 

I really miss the pre-Obama & pre-Trump attitudes you used to be able to occasionally run across on the left. Such animals are apparently extinct now.

 

<_<

Oh, my sister is just craziness. Although she was never even that political, she was a Montessori teacher, so they are all pretty far left and she picked it up while working with them. She just didn’t seem to be much into politics and we talked about stuff happening in the country, etc., and then, all of a sudden, Obama was elected and she’s Eleanor Roosevelt.

 

We can’t seem to talk about anything now because she doesn’t seem to really have any backup for her beliefs. Just rote talking points or feelings. I don’t mind having a good debate with someone, but if you just close your eyes and say NaNaNaNa, I hate guns!! Or, TRUMP IS A MEANIE! Well, I can’t talk to you then. Know what I mean?

 

I also miss the days when it wasn’t such to-the-death, us vs. them politics. I don’t know if we will ever see them again. We are so far apart.

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zurg

Oh well, I can't "force" her to go back to being more objective and reasonable.

That’s exactly true. You/we/anybody can’t force anyone to change their minds - it wouldn’t work and it wouldn’t be right either. I wish more on the left had the same outlook. Sort of a respectful application of amendment 1.

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MontyPython

Oh, my sister is just craziness. Although she was never even that political, she was a Montessori teacher, so they are all pretty far left and she picked it up while working with them. She just didn’t seem to be much into politics and we talked about stuff happening in the country, etc., and then, all of a sudden, Obama was elected and she’s Eleanor Roosevelt.

 

We can’t seem to talk about anything now because she doesn’t seem to really have any backup for her beliefs. Just rote talking points or feelings. I don’t mind having a good debate with someone, but if you just close your eyes and say NaNaNaNa, I hate guns!! Or, TRUMP IS A MEANIE! Well, I can’t talk to you then. Know what I mean?

 

I also miss the days when it wasn’t such to-the-death, us vs. them politics. I don’t know if we will ever see them again. We are so far apart.

 

Yup. Well let's face it - Today's leftists/progressive/Democrats don't have any reasonable arguments or honest backup for their beliefs anymore, so they pretty much have to resort to "NaNaNaNaNa"..."I hate guns"..."Trump is a meanie!"...etc.

 

<_<

 

That’s exactly true. You/we/anybody can’t force anyone to change their minds - it wouldn’t work and it wouldn’t be right either. I wish more on the left had the same outlook. Sort of a respectful application of amendment 1.

 

Yup.

 

*sigh*

 

:(

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JerryL

Meh, I've come to expect that from her. It's really sad how deeply she has dived into mindless partisanship after Nov '16.

 

I know I always get disagreement from certain rightwingers here whenever I say this: But she used to be better than this, and I really miss the old Ladybird. Oh well, I can't "force" her to go back to being more objective and reasonable.

 

:shrug:

Oh, I agree with you. She used to be pretty reasonable with the exception of seeing racism behind every tree. Always a leftist but at least you could discuss with her. Now, with DJT living rent free in her head, not so much.

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