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House Democrats Shouldn’t Impeach Trump – It Will Anger Voters And The

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House Democrats Shouldn’t Impeach Trump – It Will Anger Voters And The Senate Won’t Remove Him

 

Fox News

By Mark Penn

8 December 2018

 

Excerpt:

 

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, then perhaps the Democrats on a crusade to impeach President Trump should think twice about the road they are heading down.

 

It’s one thing to hold more investigations and try to get President Trump’s tax returns. It is quite another thing to turn the entire machinery of Congress over to the impeachment process while blocking compromises on health care, immigration, infrastructure and other important legislation.

 

The warning signs of partisanship taken too far come from what happened in 1998 with the impeachment of President Clinton by the House, and from the recent Senate confirmation battle that raged over the nomination of now-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

 

In the Clinton case, voters reacted negatively to Republicans who tried to turn unsavory personal behavior into crimes to support the impeachment of the president in the House of Representatives. Clinton was acquitted on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice at his Senate trial, so the effort to remove him from office failed.

 

In the Kavanaugh confirmation fight, voters reacted negatively to Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who went overboard with Spartacus moments and for the way they handled allegations of sexual misconduct.

 

Voters made clear in both the Clinton and Kavanaugh cases that they want their elected representatives in Congress to get the business of lawmaking done and not focus on partisanship.

 

Back in 1998, House Republicans considered Bill Clinton an illegitimate president who they believed the American public would support removing from office if Independent Counsel Ken Starr reported that Clinton lied under oath. The Starr report was a blockbuster, complete with graphic descriptions of Oval Office sexual activity between Clinton and then-White House intern Monica Lewinsky and stained-dress evidence.

 

But the plan backfired. In the 1998 midterm elections, Republicans actually lost seats in Congress as we Democrats used the theme “Progress, not Partisanship,” and the whole imbroglio toppled House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.

 

News coverage of Clinton’s involvement with Lewinsky took a year from start to finish. In the end, even though it was just a partisan vote, the headlines blared “Clinton Acquitted.” After it was over, Americans never wanted to talk about it again, nor did the Republicans. Clinton’s poll ratings soared.

 

It takes the votes of 67 senators to convict a president impeached by the House and remove him from office. The midterm Senate elections last month will result in a Senate made up of 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats beginning in January.

 

As a result, if the new Democratic majority that will rule the House votes to impeach President Trump, even if every Senate Democrat votes to convict him they would need to pick up the support of 20 Republican senators to remove Trump from office.

 

Does anyone seriously think that there are more than a handful of Republican senators at most who would favor Trump’s conviction and ouster, even in the face of a damning report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller? The chances of that happening are virtually nonexistent.

 

So does an impeachment fight that is almost guaranteed to end with President Trump still in the Oval Office benefit Trump or the Democrats?

 

Does the headline “Trump Acquitted” after a Senate trial help anyone but Trump, albeit after a painful and distracting rollercoaster process?

 

Maybe Democrats just want the catharsis of impeaching their nemesis, but such satisfaction is likely to be fleeting.

 

*snip*

 

The whole process of Mueller’s investigation of Russia’s interference in our 2016 presidential election and possible collusion between the Trump campaign – or Trump himself – and Russia to win the election has been flawed from its inception. Now it seems to be focused on payments for alleged consensual affairs and trying to criminalize them.

 

There have been a number of questionable actions by people in the FBI and the Justice Department before and throughout the Mueller probe. Eventually, the next attorney general will likely appoint a special counsel to investigate all of the retired, resigned and fired officials and whether their actions were politically motivated.

 

So come January, the Democrats in the House will have a choice. They can accept the Mueller report and move on. Or, they can hold endless hearings all over again run by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., who is expected to chair the House Judiciary Committee, and then vote to impeach the president or censure him for the actions described in the Mueller report.

 

The smartest move Democrats could make would likely be to approve some kind of censure motion against President Trump after a few hearings and then say the American people will decide in the 2020 election who should be president for another four years.

 

But the pressure from the Democratic base to impeach Trump will be enormous. So House Democrats are more likely to go down the impeachment road that – without significant Republican support – will come off as partisan overreach.

 

*snip*

 

Full Commentary

 

Mark Penn is managing director of the Stagwell Group. He was chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, and Mrs. Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign.

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Wag-a-Muffin (D)

I hadn't thought of this with the "Kavanaugh" perspective. And I agree with the author.

So it's a win-win. If they impeach Trump they will anger a huge group of people.

And if they don't--well that's good too.

 

Thanks for sharing this, Liz.

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Bookdoc

The dims might want to take a look at what's happening in Paris and remember that the "peasants" in this country are ARMED.

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Liz

I hadn't thought of this with the "Kavanaugh" perspective. And I agree with the author.

So it's a win-win. If they impeach Trump they will anger a huge group of people.

And if they don't--well that's good too.

 

Thanks for sharing this, Liz.

Always look on the bright side! :lol:

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Kilmerfan

The Kavanaugh effect is real.

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Kilmerfan

“I have not yet begun to fight.”

― John Paul Jones

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That_Guy

House Democrats Shouldn’t Impeach Trump – It Will Anger Voters And The Senate Won’t Remove Him

 

Fox News

By Mark Penn

8 December 2018

 

Excerpt:

 

Does anyone seriously think that there are more than a handful of Republican senators at most who would favor Trump’s conviction and ouster, even in the face of a damning report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller?

 

Yes.

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Buckwheat Jones

Yes.

I’m trying to think of a time in the last 15 years here that you were actually right about something.

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pepperonikkid

The Democrats are still answerable to their base. They will attempt to impeach Trump.

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MontyPython

Does anyone seriously think that there are more than a handful of Republican senators at most who would favor Trump’s conviction and ouster, even in the face of a damning report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller?

 

Yes.

 

:lol3:

 

Hang in there! Stand firm! Dig in! Clench your teeth! Never let go of that "Mueller's Gonna Getcha" unicorn fart!

 

:rant:

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AnnieGotHerGun

I think the author got it right - the bottom line is voters want our legislature to legislate, to handle the business of the country. The libs, and a few RINO's spend all their energy and time going after Trump, they get nothing accomplished for the American people, no matter which side you come down on. One can almost see the glee on their faces when they think they are close to getting him. I'm tired of spoiled rotten brats running the legislative branch of our country.

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Currahee!

No Republican back in 1998 thought Clinton was an illegitimate president.......he won fair and square....but HE DID COMMIT PURGERY..... he lied under oath to a grand jury....and I’m sorry if that ruffles the feathers of the liberals on this board..... but it is what it is.....the arrogant SOB lied. So with Kavanaugh we have a 35 year uncorrobrated unprovable charge and with Mr. Clinton we have a blue dress.

 

And for those who haven’t a clue ...... perjury is a FELONY.

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Ticked@TinselTown

F*ckers did NOTHING while the previous POTUS broke the law and violated the Constitution.

 

Now they want to impeach because the current POTUS is keeping his campaign promises and undoing some of the damage that the anti American former f*cktard in chief inflicted on this nation.

 

Un-flipping-believable.

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RedSoloCup

The dims might want to take a look at what's happening in Paris and remember that the "peasants" in this country are ARMED.

 

:exactly:

 

F*ckers did NOTHING while the previous POTUS broke the law and violated the Constitution.

 

Now they want to impeach because the current POTUS is keeping his campaign promises and undoing some of the damage that the anti American former f*cktard in chief inflicted on this nation.

 

Un-flipping-believable.

 

:exactly:

 

Yes.

 

Only in your dreams.

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Tea Party Hooligan

My thoughts on this are very clear: Do it. Impeach Trump. I dare you.

 

This is bluster, because the dems know they have nothing to charge him with that will stick. If anything, they will shine a light on their own party and the political corruption within the FBI. Which will hurt both the dems and FBI. Everyone "convicted" has been for anything but the actual investigation. Just as they nailed Scooter Libby for something other than the initial investigation.

 

If anything, this will show exactly what they don't have.

 

So; I say go ahead.

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