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Eddie Gallagher Trial Bombshell: SEAL Team Seven Medic Claims HE Kille

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Taggart Transcontinental

You're mis-characterizing what I have posted. I never said this man is guilty. This is a trial which I posted an update on.

 

https://www.breitbar...ddie-gallagher/

Scott responded, "I put my thumb over his tube until he stopped breathing." Parlatore asked, "Did you suffocate him?" Scott responded, "Yes."

 

As I stated Gallagher put in a Trache, this guy used that trache to kill him. When he said thumb over the tube the way to insert one is to use a knife or scalpel and cut the neck and then insert the tube into the breathing tube and push it down to establish an airway. I was trained to do this 15 years ago with combat lifesaver stuff before they stopped that. Never did it hands on, it was just a slide explaining it. The guy is innocent of all charges. Period, until proven guilty. The actions of the prosecution in this case or horrendous. The investigating officer was fired for malfeasance. This prosecution has been ham handed since day one. Trump had to step in because the Commanding officer had him in solitary confinement as if he were guilty before the trial. Talk about prejudicing the jury.

Bernie Kerik, former New York Police Department commissioner and a close family friend of the Gallaghers’, wrote on Instagram: “At what point does the government admit that this case should have never been brought in the first place?”

 

 

EXACTLY! This case is a sham.

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Taggart Transcontinental

I get all that, and I would hope that anyone else who has been in the military and/or a war zone does too.

 

But what sells it for me is that it was his own teammates that turned him in. And then kept pressing it after the Navy initially tried to ignore it. That's persuasive. VERY persuasive.

 

I mean, What should I believe? That SEAL Team Seven had (1) bad apple that went rogue during his EIGHTH tour in the area (enough to make anyone snap)? OR, that Eddie Gallagher was the One Righteous DudeTM on the team and all the other SEALs were a bunch of namby-pamby bleeding-heart-liberal weenies?

 

Yeah? as far as his peers? People have pissing contests all the time. One of my peers in a job recently due to a political argument claimed I was threatening to shoot the place up, I never said any such thing about anything, yet his claim was treated as gospel and I lost a job. No biggie I landed on my feet and am doing just fine. BUT people make false allegations all the time. As a cop it's your job to identify them and sort the facts from the nonsense.

 

All the other's? As in 2 who had beef with him? I think it's probably somewhere in the middle.

 

Understand this, in a situation where there are bullets flying if your partner shoots you are more than likely going to shoot too. You have no idea why he fired in some instances, you just know the person next to you pulled the trigger and you also do so.

 

Possibly he fired because he saw the other guys do so and then said god you guys suck! I got him though not knowing they intended on firing a warning shot.

 

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zurg

I get all that, and I would hope that anyone else who has been in the military and/or a war zone does too.

 

But what sells it for me is that it was his own teammates that turned him in. And then kept pressing it after the Navy initially tried to ignore it. That's persuasive. VERY persuasive.

 

I mean, What should I believe? That SEAL Team Seven had (1) bad apple that went rogue during his EIGHTH tour in the area (enough to make anyone snap)? OR, that Eddie Gallagher was the One Righteous DudeTM on the team and all the other SEALs were a bunch of namby-pamby bleeding-heart-liberal weenies?

These are NOT the only possibilities.

 

It could be that there was a running feud between Gallagher and a couple of team members, and Gallagher wasn’t liked much by the rest of the team. Easy to see the couple of members convincing the rest that Gallagher is guilty as sin, that crazy murderous bastard.

 

It could be that Gallagher’s actions were misinterpreted. What if Taggart is correct and Gallagher WAS trying to treat the kid? What if his killing was a misunderstanding of desired intent of mission? What if other people did stuff too and are now up against having to explain it all, and are scapegoating Gallagher?

 

I don’t know what happened but I see lots of people telling me that they sure know and I gotta stop asking questions. I see the “SETTLED SCIENCE” attitude loud and clear. Yet, if it is a clear case, why is the prosecution stumbling so badly? THAT doesn’t make sense.

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firecoco

Yeah i linked that but it didn't work.

 

 

 

Not in courts martial, they are horrible compared to the American court system, suppression of evidence is common place.

Wait a minute...That means you and I think alike?

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Squirrel

"Race again, sigh"

Still waiting on examples of who uses race instead of facts or discussion? Certainly there was a point to that? See I don’t like being acused with out facts. So please list your point lady bird and list examples. I’ll wait. I’m sure you have a ton of fun facts , my racist posts and it isn’t just anouther dodge not to address facts? I’d like to know how racist I am or how I only care about race. So please give examples. Or am I just racist because I hold everyone to be he same standards? If your going to accuse someone as a deflection please show facts? Or answer the questions brought up

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Moderator T

"Race again, sigh"

 

Right? Reminds me of some other poster who bangs the "racist cops" and "racist conservatives" bell all the live long day. Huh. Weird.

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Squirrel

Right? Reminds me of some other poster who bangs the "racist cops" and "racist conservatives" bell all the live long day. Huh. Weird.

If I ever post a race based artical solely for that reason please feel free to ban me. If I ever make a racist statement or accusation ban me. Also if I falsely accuse someone else of racism please ban me. If I post something and won’t answer please ban me. I’m sure lb can say the same. Or at least explain her accusations

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Ladybird

Right? Reminds me of some other poster who bangs the "racist cops" and "racist conservatives" bell all the live long day. Huh. Weird.

 

Does it remind you of posters that blame every negative story where the parties happen to be black on their blackness or culture, instead of their personal lack of character?

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USNRETWIFE

Here is the problematic statement. Should have been presented, IF TRUE. Do you believe that all the evidence presented by the state is true? Do you believe that the state would never prosecute an innocent man? Funny if this were a black man in the city of detroit you would be stating without a doubt that he's innocent and that the "state" is making a false case. Yet because it is a military court then it's obviously from your perspective TRUE.

Realize that people have agenda's, that includes the "witnesses", the enemy, the prosecution, the defense, the courts, the commanders, the judge, and the Jury. The reality is there is a truth out there you and I are not privy to. That is the absolute truth of what happened. In reality in most cases there is no absolute truth revealed. One side or the other reveals what they believe happened and a jury looks at that from their bias and they either let the person walk or they throw the book at them. We have an imperfect system, but it's all we have.

 

Now I want you to understand something else.

 

When a Soldier is KIA or MIA from a combat zone you know nothing, about the facts of that Soldier. Specifically how they died and what they were doing when they died, all you get is a number. You have no idea what those animals were doing over there to their own people and to ours. We lost many personnel in Iraq.

 

https://www.cnn.com/...acts/index.html

What you will never know is the condition of the body when found. Reason? Dehumanization of the enemy is against Geneva Convention.

 

https://www.news.com...5d54858e80e69c7

Soldiers were tortured, and murdered plain and simple.

 

 

You cannot imagine the things found in these places and they were all over the place. Battery operated drills, and other implements, people were slowly murdered over days and weeks. Everyone of those cells knew what would happen to someone when they were captured, they KNEW it because everyone in ISIS was trained and had to witness it so they could understand that the enemy deserved this. So cry me a river about the poor "kid" that was murdered. You know nothing of the body count he wracked up, nor do I. He was a combatant, he was fighting and he died. But he didn't end up in some basement bunker slowly being drilled into or shocked to within an inch of his life over and over to finally be drug outside and have his head slowly hacked off by some murderous thug screaming god is greater.

 

You and others hide behind the walls that men and women die to protect, you then cast your slings at the honor of those that defend you against threats you are too afraid to stand up against yourself and claim we are the monsters.

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Ladybird

Yeah pull out that card I never said anything racist in that post and don’t pick and choose what I comment on by race black or white. I can see what you choose to comment on and focus on. Is that your only response? Why are you so worried about race? There’s a term for that. But by all means feel free to actually address facts. I’d love to see examples were I posted anything racist if that’s what your inferring.if it’s not explain what you mean?or is that just the trained left response yell racist and your clear and free from responsibility to explain or answer. You are showing the shining example of racism in that accusation. But I know you can never admit that. If you are going to accuse someone of something please back it up with facts and examples. See I am not racist so yelling that does not make me run. Now your turn again, please explain and answer simple questions

 

This thread has nothing to do with race. For some reason, you and Zurg decided to inject it here without even a sliver of context.

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zurg

This thread has nothing to do with race. For some reason, you and Zurg decided to inject it here without even a sliver of context.

I explained the context; you’re choosing to ignore it; not my problem.

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Moderator T

Does it remind you of posters that blame every negative story where the parties happen to be black on their blackness or culture, instead of their personal lack of character?

 

Sure. I'm the one who has to make their posts invisible and sometimes issue suspensions. That doesn't change the hypocrisy.

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JerryL

So you post a thread and asking why is off limits? Asking you to back up your posts is off limits? Asking for your opinion on your statements is off limits? Because that makes you the subject or because you can’t answer? New deflection strategy?

Not new. Copied and pasted from Her_Brother.

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Howsithangin

I explained the context; you’re choosing to ignore it; not my problem.

:yeahthat:

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Howsithangin

Stabbing an injured prisoner in US custody is ok? I guess that's considered heroic these days.

 

 

Member of ISIS? That's fine by me. ISIS are subhuman, based upon their behavior, and as such are not worthy of decent treatment. Exterminate them. They're on par with the SS, who was similarly addressed during WWII, in contrast to how Wermacht soldiers were, and Iraqi soldiers. There's a distinction.

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Howsithangin

 

You forgot this part: "The defense, however, countered that the Islamic State used civilians, including women, to provide supplies"

 

Having worked as a military contractor for off-and-on 16 years now, I have had numerous discussions with active duty personnel who have done their time in the sand box. One repeated affirmation that I hear from them is the claim that affects them the most when they return: the fact that they had to shoot women and children. Why, you ask? Because these "innocents" were firing at them or running at them with guns and grenades, or driving a vehicle towards a checkpoint at top speed, ignoring warnings. You won't hear this from the media.

 

That these followers of Mohammed-the-Paedophile choose to employ women and children in their wars, or at a minimum use them as shields, and you blame our troops for shooting them in self-defense? Or mistakenly in the heat of war?

 

I wasn't there. I'm in no position to do any finger-wagging. My cousins and friends have been, and too many are in therapy as a result.

 

The quicker we become energy self-sufficient and let that part of the world destroy itself, the better.

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Ticked@TinselTown

We're supposed to be better than them. But fine. Several other service members testified that they saw not only him stab this ISIS teen and then take a picture of the body, but shoot at civilians.

:biglaugh:

 

Your sense of morality is wildly unpredictable.

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Ladybird

You forgot this part: "The defense, however, countered that the Islamic State used civilians, including women, to provide supplies"

 

Having worked as a military contractor for off-and-on 16 years now, I have had numerous discussions with active duty personnel who have done their time in the sand box. One repeated affirmation that I hear from them is the claim that affects them the most when they return: the fact that they had to shoot women and children. Why, you ask? Because these "innocents" were firing at them or running at them with guns and grenades, or driving a vehicle towards a checkpoint at top speed, ignoring warnings. You won't hear this from the media.

 

That these followers of Mohammed-the-Paedophile choose to employ women and children in their wars, or at a minimum use them as shields, and you blame our troops for shooting them in self-defense? Or mistakenly in the heat of war?

 

I wasn't there. I'm in no position to do any finger-wagging. My cousins and friends have been, and too many are in therapy as a result.

 

The quicker we become energy self-sufficient and let that part of the world destroy itself, the better.

 

No we weren’t there, but his team members were. It will be up to the jury to sort out which ones are lying.

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oki

No we weren’t there, but his team members were. It will be up to the jury to sort out which ones are lying.

 

 

So you believe that a Navy Seal would simply call someone an ISIS dirt bag? Anyone who does has obviously not spent much time around G.I.'s, I can tell you from experience no G.I. I ever knew talked like that. Let's just say language is a bit more 'colorful'.

 

Oki

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oki

You forgot this part: "The defense, however, countered that the Islamic State used civilians, including women, to provide supplies"

 

Having worked as a military contractor for off-and-on 16 years now, I have had numerous discussions with active duty personnel who have done their time in the sand box. One repeated affirmation that I hear from them is the claim that affects them the most when they return: the fact that they had to shoot women and children. Why, you ask? Because these "innocents" were firing at them or running at them with guns and grenades, or driving a vehicle towards a checkpoint at top speed, ignoring warnings. You won't hear this from the media.

 

That these followers of Mohammed-the-Paedophile choose to employ women and children in their wars, or at a minimum use them as shields, and you blame our troops for shooting them in self-defense? Or mistakenly in the heat of war?

 

I wasn't there. I'm in no position to do any finger-wagging. My cousins and friends have been, and too many are in therapy as a result.

 

The quicker we become energy self-sufficient and let that part of the world destroy itself, the better.

 

 

 

Last I checked there are four types of people in a War Zone/Hot Zone

 

Civilians, by definition they cannot be aiding, helping or participating in any type of activities, such as intelligence gathering, any type of hostile actions, or helping either side in any way shape or form. Humanitarian activities are okay, but that is damned limited. IE working at a hospital that tends to wounded mil members, but that's about it.

 

Gorillas, Spies, and Saboteurs. No protections, no trial, can be executed on site. This is pretty much anyone engaging in hostile actions, spying, or taking or helping take any hostile actions.

Last I checked delivering supplies, or shooting at while in civilian clothes classifies this as such a classification.

 

Enemy Combatants, to qualify you must be wearing a distinguishable uniform and fighting for a recognized, group, nation, militia or such. As such you are entitled to the full protections of the Geneva Code.

 

Friendlies, don't think much explanation is necessary. But, this can also include non combatant civilians which are not known to be or believed to be hostile.

 

 

All these people b$tcing about some little punk a$$ed ISIS terrorist getting smoked need to read the Geneva Code as well as realize that as much as killing kids may suck, THEY ARE THE ONES responsible for this not us. When Hitler decided to call up his Hitler youth our men had to do what they had to do. They hated it, they weren't the ones who put those kids on the front lines, but they had to deal with it.

 

Oki

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Dutch13

Yep that's all it was. Strange how there's never a post from you of black man or Muslim trial updates going bad for them. I guess there's no connection between every update you post and your beliefs. But as you said this thread isn't about you and you won't answer facts about what you think, what you believe or why you post them. So basically they show your beliefs and speak to what you think. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if one poster continually posted anti gay or anti Islam stuff. It would just be hey here's anouther black guy accused in court, here's anouther Muslim,,, etc. then said it's just court updates I thought they were interesting and posted. But I'm m not answering any questions about it, it's not about me it's about the black or Islamic court case. But that would be great by you and you would nott think anything about that persons charecter or thoughts? Just curious

 

You bring up race in a lot of places that it doesn't belong, don't you?

 

 

 

 

I can't understand why so many people bi#h and moan about a particular poster's choice in threads. The topics obviously interest that poster. If they don't interest you, then why are you even reading the thread.........and wasting the time to comment multiple times?!?!!? The topic obviously interests you.......so why are you making it about race (once again) and about Ladybird?

 

 

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Dean Adam Smithee

So you believe that a Navy Seal would simply call someone an ISIS dirt bag? Anyone who does has obviously not spent much time around G.I.'s, I can tell you from experience no G.I. I ever knew talked like that. Let's just say language is a bit more 'colorful'.

 

I would agree BUT FOR his teammates turning him in. Aside from this particular count, this guy was apparently shooting civilians as if he was Charles Whitman in a Texas Belltower... And it was OTHER SEALs that turned him in for it.

 

This guy was an E-7 on his 8th tour in-country. 8 tours was apparently at least one too many. I can consider that as a 'mitigating' factor without excusing it. It holds water with me that the two original complainants were an E-5 and E6 - as SEALS go, not exactly spring chickens or starry-eyed recruits.

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Squirrel

You bring up race in a lot of places that it doesn't belong, don't you?

 

 

 

 

I can't understand why so many people bi#h and moan about a particular poster's choice in threads. The topics obviously interest that poster. If they don't interest you, then why are you even reading the thread.........and wasting the time to comment multiple times?!?!!? The topic obviously interests you.......so why are you making it about race (once again) and about Ladybird?

I asked why she chooses to post in that manner and choose what she posts. I asked several times because she won’t answer simple questions about what she posts. But hey that’s fine with me. Im used to duck dodge and refuse to answer from the left. I care less what a persons race or color is. But when a person won’t answer a question then goes to oh about race again. Which is basically accusing me. Yeah then she needs to back up that statement with examples and facts. I don’t like it insinuated I’m something I’m not. So maybe you have a list of my racist statements? Otherwise I can ask why does a person only post x, would they feel the same if a person only posted y and refused to answer questions. As I said I’m not scared of people who growing the race card at me. So please feel free to help her listing where I am racist. But I won’t shut up about facts because it hurts someone’s feelings. So I by donyou think she only posts the articles she does if she can’t answer? Why is it racist to ask why someone posts a running my theme? Would it be ok to ask if it was a conservative posting all anti Islam or black crimes or would you have the right to ask me why I did it? If I didn’t answer and dodge questions would you be offended if I said oh your just worried about race? Sorry it’s not about skin color to me it’s about integrity

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Taggart Transcontinental

No we weren't there, but his team members were. It will be up to the jury to sort out which ones are lying.

 

Except when it's an "unarmed" XXXX person that survives the attack, then he's the victim right?

 

Now one more taste of reality for you.

 

Do you know what the Geneva Convention says about unlawful combatants? That would be people that use women and children as shields or use them to transport weapons and materials of war. Do you know what they did to unlawful combatants back in WW2 that waged war against our forces? They executed them on the spot, this is the same for every country on the planet, that has waged war. They execute them as spies. However, we allowed lawyers to create ambiguities in these concepts that are to this day outside of the US still widely accepted. We pretend that ISIS is an actual army, when it's nothing more than a roving band of murderers with allegiance only to a religion.

 

Start hanging them when they are captured and you will see a major drop in the recruitment of young morons willing to die for Allah. That by the way is in accordance with the legal framework upon which they operate.

 

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zurg

Start hanging them when they are captured and you will see a major drop in the recruitment of young morons willing to die for Allah. That by the way is in accordance with the legal framework upon which they operate.

I wonder how many likes that would get on YouTube.

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