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“You’re Gonna Kill Me”: Body-Cam Footage Shows Dallas Police Joking as Mentally Ill Man Dies

By Kelly Vinett Jul 31, 2019

 

 

Tony Timpa, a 32-year-old Dallas man suffering from schizophrenia and depression, pleaded with the cops more than 30 times as he struggled to breathe while they held him down. As he lay dying, the officers joked about waking him up so he could have eggs and waffles for breakfast.

 

“You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me! You’re gonna kill me!” Timpa screamed, according to body camera footage published by the Dallas Morning News on Tuesday.

 

Timpa dialed 911 the night of August 10, 2016, from the parking lot of a Dallas porn store, according to the Dallas Morning News’ three-year investigation into the case. He said he hadn’t taken his medication, was high on cocaine, and needed help.

 

When officers from the Dallas Police Department arrived, one of them pinned Timpa face-down on the ground for over 13 minutes. When he fell unconscious, police assumed he’d fallen asleep and didn’t check his pulse, according to the Dallas Morning News.

 

Twenty minutes after police arrived, Timpa died, according to the Dallas Morning News. An autopsy by the Dallas County Medical Examiner shows that Timpa’s death was the result of using cocaine coupled with “excessive physical restraint.”

 

The three police officers involved — Dustin Dillard, Kevin Mansell, and Danny Vasquez — were indicted in 2017 on charges of misdemeanor deadly conduct, but the charges against them were dropped in March. They have since returned to active duty.

 

<snip>

 

“I don’t wanna go to school, mom,” one of the officers says, according to the video.

 

“We made breakfast — scrambled eggs — your favorite,” an officer says.

 

“I hope I didn’t kill him,” Dillard says on the video, as the officers continue to joke around.

 

It’s unclear when first responders were called to the scene, but they waited at least four minutes to begin CPR, according to the Dallas Morning News. Paramedics also gave Timpa a powerful sedative, the footage shows.

 

By the time they put his body on the ambulance gurney, Timpa was dead.

 

First responders cited his “combativeness” as to why they waited so long to attempt to resuscitate him, according to the Dallas Morning News. And the Dallas Fire-Rescue and Dallas Police Department have declined to comment on the first responders’ role in Timpa’s death.

 

In incident reports, police also called Timpa’s behavior “combative” but said that he hadn’t resisted arrest or threatened any of the officers.

 

The Dallas Morning News obtained the footage after a federal judge ruled it should be released as part of a lawsuit filed by Timpa’s family accusing the cops of using excessive force. The lawsuit is still ongoing.

 

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Dean Adam Smithee

Was it the cops' fault? Or the "system's" fault for allowing people like that out on the streets?

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oki

Was it the cops' fault? Or the "system's" fault for allowing people like that out on the streets?

 

 

Come on know Adam, you know it's only the systems fault when individual responsibility need not apply.

In this case though it does beg the question why this person was on the street if they could not take care of themselves. The Cops may bear some responsibility, but people need to understand that people will lie, tell the cops anything and everything and an Officer cannot believe a single word a person says until proven otherwise. I have this I have that, I can't breath and more. My guess is there is a whole lot more to the story.

 

One that is going around is real nice case of selective editing/reporting.

Headlines are often showing cops taze 65 year old woman over broken tail light.

 

The body cam on the other hand shows an older lady who is quite hostile, disrespectful, THE OFFICER STATING SHE HAD BEEN DRIVING AROUND WITH THE ISSUE FOR 6 MONTHS, refusing to get out, then driving away. Finally, when the cop stops her a 2nd time and has her out(gun drawn), he tries to arrest her, she fights him, he backs of and then tazes her... SHE IS STILL COMBATIVE so her zaps her ass.

 

Wonder how many people have seen this vs just condemning the cop? The only question I have is in regards to the decision to taze her vs simply over powering her and cuffing her.

At her age and condition I'd be worried that the Tazer would cause a heart attack, but I suppose the same could be said if he continued to fight with her.

 

Either way, a lot of news outlets will carefully edit things in a way that doesn't tell the whole story.

 

 

Oki

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zurg

What a sad anecdote! I wish it hadn’t happened.

 

Is the purpose of the thread to talk about this as if this were the norm across police departments, or is the purpose to improve failure rates from very good to outstanding?

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oki

What a sad anecdote! I wish it hadn’t happened.

 

Is the purpose of the thread to talk about this as if this were the norm across police departments, or is the purpose to improve failure rates from very good to outstanding?

 

Just me speaking...

 

Bringing cases like these to light is important. Just that all to often the articles leave out key details because the intent is to make one side look bad. I try to be in the middle when ever there is Police wrong doing. Sometimes the Cop or Cops was a P.O.S., sometimes a terrible mistake that happened because of lack of training or a God awful mistake, but quite often the Officer or Officers did everything right, but the outcome was still terrible. Either way people need to understand and see things through the eyes of an Officer. People lie, deceive, fake injuries, illness, you name it. Not an excuse for wrong doing, just saying that all of these things are factors.

 

Oki

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Taggart Transcontinental

So in defense of the dead in this case, once you have someone handcuffed you are supposed to get off of them and get them back up on their feet or sit them down IF they aren't resisting. The problem we have here is we don't know IF the person was resisting and to what level. He's off his prescribed meds and on his personal med of choice. Go figure.

 

So now the cops were put in a position where they had to control a person that was aggressive, we don't know that because we don't get to see it, because of the reporting. However, with the decision to NOT prosecute, we know that at the time the incident occurred the prosecutor determined that the officers did not know the danger the person was in. That's on the individual. I have said it time and again. COMPLY COMPLY COMPLY, do not become a friggin lawyer on the stand at the time of the arrival of the police. We had a guy threaten suicide last night, we got there and he was wandering down the streets. HE complied and ended up going to BMU (Behavioral Mental Health Unit) and guess what? He's alive and kicking even after walking down the road with a knife on his throat. On the other hand don't comply and end up in jail or worse.

 

But I get it, last night there were over 1 Million cop interactions and no deaths, yet you have to go back and find one to maintain your moral outrage meter. So pat yourself on the back. You get a wank cookie, hope it lasts the rest of the month of bad news.

In incident reports, police also called Timpa’s behavior “combative” but said that he hadn’t resisted arrest or threatened any of the officers.

 

So now a cop has to be hurt before you restrain someone? Combative means to be prone to fighting, I believe the problem is probably the use of the word in the definition. We get advisories like Signal 22 or 26 to LEO. If a person is know to fight or argue. 22 is assault, and 26 is verbal abuse / arguing.

 

Again comply with the orders act like a grown up and this stuff don't happen.

 

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Noclevermoniker

Starve the troll by not responding. Nothing but a wrecker.

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searcher

It's when the body csm's get <censored> off or not turned on that I get suspicious. There are bad cops, and they tend to work together. The cops I worked with would only use force as a very last resort.

 

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Taggart Transcontinental

It's when the body csm's get <censored> off or not turned on that I get suspicious. There are bad cops, and they tend to work together. The cops I worked with would only use force as a very last resort.

 

Mark

 

Body cam's are garbage the cost of maintaining the data is ridiculous costing some departments millions / year just to maintain the data. That's the most costly component of this whole thing.

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searcher

It's when the body csm's get <censored> off or not turned on that I get suspicious. There are bad cops, and they tend to work together. The cops I worked with would only use force as a very last resort.

 

Mark

 

No idea what got censored there. I meant to say 'turned'. I can't think of any bad words to make out of that.

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Ladybird

Body cam's are garbage the cost of maintaining the data is ridiculous costing some departments millions / year just to maintain the data. That's the most costly component of this whole thing.

How else is the victim of an obnoxious, overly aggressive officer supposed to get justice when false claims of resistance are made?

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searcher

Body cam's are garbage the cost of maintaining the data is ridiculous costing some departments millions / year just to maintain the data. That's the most costly component of this whole thing.

 

Mostly unrelated but do you happen to know why it is that so many cops are pointing pistols gangster style on the police shows lately? I'm seeing it more and more. Not how I was trained back in the day. At least trigger disipline is still good.

 

Mark

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That_Guy

comply with the orders act like a grown up and this stuff don't happen.

 

"He hadn’t resisted arrest or threatened any of the officers" seems pretty straightforward.

 

Yet "this stuff" (by which I assume you mean "losing one's life while in police custody") keeps happening.

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SARGE

"He hadn’t resisted arrest or threatened any of the officers" seems pretty straightforward.

 

Yet "this stuff" (by which I assume you mean "losing one's life while in police custody") keeps happening.

 

Statistically, how frequent is ii?

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That_Guy

Statistically, how frequent is ii?

 

I’m not sure.

 

Why are you asking?

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zurg

I’m not sure.

 

Why are you asking?

I suspect he’s asking for the same reason I asked my question. What’s your purpose with this thread?

 

I could give you a multiple choice but for once it would be nice to have you just say what’s on your mind without flourishing it with bull<censored>.

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Dean Adam Smithee

Come on know Adam, you know it's only the systems fault when individual responsibility need not apply...

 

In this PARTICULAR case, given that the guy was apparently bona-fide "Mentally Ill", I'm willing to consider a diminished capacity for "individual responsibility" even though I'm otherwise ALL ABOUT individual responsibility, hence looking to how the "System" failed. Because...

 

So in defense of the dead in this case, once you have someone handcuffed you are supposed to get off of them and get them back up on their feet or sit them down IF they aren't resisting. The problem we have here is we don't know IF the person was resisting and to what level. He's off his prescribed meds and on his personal med of choice. Go figure.

 

So now the cops were put in a position where they had to control a person that was aggressive, we don't know that because we don't get to see it, because of the reporting. However, with the decision to NOT prosecute, we know that at the time the incident occurred the prosecutor determined that the officers did not know the danger the person was in. That's on the individual. I have said it time and again. COMPLY COMPLY COMPLY, do not become a friggin lawyer on the stand at the time of the arrival of the police. We had a guy threaten suicide last night, we got there and he was wandering down the streets. HE complied and ended up going to BMU (Behavioral Mental Health Unit) and guess what? He's alive and kicking even after walking down the road with a knife on his throat. On the other hand don't comply and end up in jail or worse...

 

Key phrase being "...the cops were put in a position...". Great choice of words. Think about that, Y'all. I'm pretty pretty sure the cops didn't suddenly think to themselves, "Hey, lets go suffocate some aggressive mentally ill dude". They were PUT in that position. A position that, IMHO, they shouldn't have been *IF* the System hadn't failed up to that point.

 

:ranton:

 

I've seen it with my own eyes as both a volunteer "First Responder" and as a volunteer "Counselor" in my church organization. I suspect that as professional LEOs, Taggart and others have seen it an order of magnitude worse than I have. Suffice it to say that we ALL have seen way too much. I know from personal experience that, as a first responder, I've been in situations that I wouldn't have known how to properly deal with if I hadn't ALSO been a trained counselor (Board certified, AACC). But... that's the point: One should not have to be a Qualified Mental Health Professional (QMHP) as part of being an LEO or First Responder. (Yes, a little bit, to be sure, but that "little bit" mostly falls into the category of "common sense".)

 

The "system" has failed. The unfortunate symptom of this is that, well, "Stuff" rolls downhill. And LEOs, first responders, and even schoolteachers, are at the bottom of that hill. "Kick the can" and, well, that "can" all too frequently lands in either the local jail or the local ER... OR the morgue.

 

Time for a song. I choose Joan Armatrading's "Flight of the Wild Geese" from the '76 film of similar name. It was meant for a different situation, but I believe that it applies to OUR American homeland as well...

 

What chance to make it last?

When there's danger all around

And reason just ups and disappears

Time is running out

So much to be done

Tell me what more

What more

What more can we do

There were promises made

Plans firmly laid

Now madness prevails

Lies fill the air

What more

What more

What more can we do

What chance to make it last?

What more

What more can we do?

 

(Well, that's pretty much "politics" these days. "Reason just ups and disappears" and "now madness prevails" But there ARE us volunteers wondering "What MORE can we do".) The battle, figuratively speaking, is not "there". It's here. And it's NOW.

 

12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

-Ephesian 6:12 KJV

 

And, yes, Time IS running out. '20 is crucial, it's the (IMHO Last) "chance to make it last".

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-BY9HO598w

Edited by Dean Adam Smithee

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SARGE

I’m not sure.

 

Why are you asking?

 

Why do you ask?

 

What id your issue?

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grimreefer

I suspect he’s asking for the same reason I asked my question. What’s your purpose with this thread?

 

I could give you a multiple choice but for once it would be nice to have you just say what’s on your mind without flourishing it with bull<censored>.

:yeahthat:

 

 

...but I'm not going to hold my breath. :coffeenpc:

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Ticked@TinselTown

Just another clickbait thread to create a black hole of bandwidth...

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helton

10% of the world are a$$holes. They come in all shapes, colors, and sizes, and work in all kinds of professions. In America, that means 32 million of these pinheads are running loose.

 

When any law enforcement officer is shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have acted improperly, they need to be held accountable in whatever form the law and/or job provide. One bad cop is one too many.

 

However, Taggert notes that there were 1 million interactions with cops yesterday. If cops in the USA were truly as awful and racist as TG and Ladybird claim they are, then why aren't there more videos showing all of this non-stop horrible police behavior taking place every second? After all, everyone has video capability.

 

Of course, the answer is that there is no massive conspiracy to keep the (fill in the victim of your choice) down. It's a bunch of B.S. and anyone with half a brain should be able to see this. If they can't see it, it's because they don't want to see it.

 

Everyone should know that any LEO just wants to do their job and come home safely to their family each night.

 

Ladybird and I both live in Queens, NY. Whenever I hear talk about cops targeting black and brown people in NYC, I have to ask, do these accusers know that the NYPD is more non-white than white? From the NYC.gov website (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/ccrb/policy/data-transparency-initiative-mos.page), this is the ethnic breakdown of the NYPD:

 

White 48.0%

Hispanic or Latino (of any race) 29.0%

Black or African American 15.0%

Asian 8.0%

 

Do they know that whites in NYC are no longer the majority? According to census.gov (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/newyorkcitynewyork), this is the ethnic breakdown of NYC:

 

White 32.1%

Hispanic or Latino (which presumably includes Hispanics) 29.1%

Black or African American 24.3%

Asian 14.0%

 

What does all of this mean? It means that if a cop is unfairly targeting/hassling/mistreating a "minority", then he's the exception, not the rule. The sheer numbers don't support any other conclusion.

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That_Guy

Why do you ask?

 

What id your issue?

 

I ask because you appear to be reducing the lives lost while in police custody to statistics.

 

I would take issue with that categorization.

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That_Guy

When any law enforcement officer is shown beyond a reasonable doubt to have acted improperly, they need to be held accountable in whatever form the law and/or job provide. One bad cop is one too many.

 

What about when there are so many "bad cops" that bad policing becomes ingrained in a particular agency or area?

 

However, Taggert notes that there were 1 million interactions with cops yesterday. If cops in the USA were truly as awful and racist as TG and Ladybird claim they are, then why aren't there more videos showing all of this non-stop horrible police behavior taking place every second? After all, everyone has video capability.

 

In part because some jurisdictions have become so inured to bad policing that the people who live and work there have learned to accept it.

 

Of course, the answer is that there is no massive conspiracy to keep the (fill in the victim of your choice) down. It's a bunch of B.S. and anyone with half a brain should be able to see this. If they can't see it, it's because they don't want to see it.

 

Or because their reality is dealing with a culture of bad policing, not just individual "bad cops."

 

Everyone should know that any LEO just wants to do their job and come home safely to their family each night.

 

Everyone doesn't have the same kind of relationship with their local law enforcement agency.

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zurg

What about when there are so many "bad cops" that bad policing becomes ingrained in a particular agency or area?

 

 

 

In part because some jurisdictions have become so inured to bad policing that the people who live and work there have learned to accept it.

 

 

 

Or because their reality is dealing with a culture of bad policing, not just individual "bad cops."

 

 

 

Everyone doesn't have the same kind of relationship with their local law enforcement agency.

These are opinions only.

 

When asked for proof, you post the occasional anecdote. You don’t have proof of a wider systemic level of bad policing. You only have anecdotes.

 

When asked for proof of a wider spread of bad police conduct, you circle back to your emotional opinions. This is why I asked for the purpose of this thread. Now we know: it’s the anecdotal part of your circular reasoning.

 

This is like a Baltimore rat running in a wheel. We’re getting nowhere.

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Taggart Transcontinental

"He hadn't resisted arrest or threatened any of the officers" seems pretty straightforward.

 

Yet "this stuff" (by which I assume you mean "losing one's life while in police custody") keeps happening.

 

Actually you are not correct. We don't KNOW what was done before the video is presented. Calls don't take 2 minutes, calls take upward of hours to resolve. You rarely show up to any call and spend 2 minutes there. Hell I spent a 5 hours at a call simply to write a report about harassment that will go nowhere.

 

Again, 1 million contacts with police daily, and you claim it keeps happening. No one died on my shift last night, no one died on any of my shifts as a Sheriff deputy.

 

Chuckleheads like you are a major problem in our society. You believe that there is a happy ending for all situations, or more realistically as Booker T Washington put it.

 

“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

That's what you are right there. Wrapped around your grievances, just looking for another cross to climb up on.

 

You don't have the balls to do a shift as a cop, you couldn't find them if you begged your significant other to pull them out of their bag and give them to you. Instead you want to whimper about how unsafe it is to travel this world as a black person always being stalked by the police. Newsflash genius, over 10,000,000 million black people on the road yesterday were not even looked at by a cop, they weren't pulled over, they weren't run and they weren't bothered. Why? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BREAK THE LAW.

 

You are like the tool that told me there are area's of "over-policing" and "under-policing". As if I patrol based upon the percentage of time I spend in area's where there are rich and poor. Cops are like vampires, if you invite us in your home then someone's going to get bit. Be an idiot, invite a cop in and you might go to jail. Act like an idiot and you might get hurt.

 

 

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