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My first father-in-law introduced me to Virginia Gentleman, I found it quite good.

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corporal_little

My first father-in-law introduced me to Virginia Gentleman, I found it quite good.

Virginia Gentleman is basically Buffalo Trace, marketed in Virginia. I've had it before, but I've never seen it sold in Texas where I live.

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Dean Adam Smithee

Damn Monty, 20 a shot?!?! Then again, I've never ordered it out, always out of my own bottle at home. 80 bucks a bottle may seem like a lot, but not compared with 20 bucks a shot!!! Cripes.

 

No wonder I drink at home!

 

Lately, since I did try it at a bar/restaurant, I've been enjoying Vespers. From the Bond book/movie Casino Royale. Three measures of gin, one of vodka, half a measure of Lilet, with a lemon peel. Served very cold.

 

Yup. And the Gin was "Gordons", though I've been told by reliable sources that the "Gordon's Gin" in the USA isn't the same as the Gordon's in the UK of the Ian Fleming era.

 

I've tried Lillet. Yeah, okay, go for it for accuracy but I've found it indistinguishable from Gallo dry vermouth at 1/2 the price. For "sipping" Vermouth, (which is so uncouth per Tom T. Hall), I like Cinzano, But if I'm going to make a martini/vesper/etc I actually prefer Gallo. Yeah, I know, burn me at the stake as a heretic.

 

Our own variant, that Mrs Smithee and I call a 1:1:1 or maybe a "dirty" Vesper.

 

1 measure of Stoli Vodka. Smirnoff if you must.

1 measure of Gordon's (US) Gin

1 measure of Gallo dry white vermouth

7 ice cubes in a tall glass. Because 7 is somehow a 'perfect' number in an biblical/jewish sort of way.

1 or more olives, plus a "splash" (tsp or so) of the juice from the olive jar, making it "dirty".

 

When I go all "James Bond", Mrs. Smithee limits me to (1) of these per night, per Ian Fleming. She's a good woman.

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Haven't had Old Grand Dad.

 

I'm sitting here looking at a bottle of Blanton's in my office right now....it's unfortunately empty.... however..... I think you can fill up a Blanton's bottle with Buffalo Trace and 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

You should definitely try OGD sometime. Its pretty widely available. Its a high rye bourbon, similar to regular Bulleit, which means it has a little spiciness that makes it good for mixing. As for Blanton's, I haven't had Buffalo Trace in a long time, so I cannot comment.

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Howsithangin

Woodford is middle of the road.

 

If you want to get a good bourbon that's actually the same price or less than Woodford, try some of these:

 

1. Buffalo Trace

2. Weller

3. Balconies

4. TX (straight or blend)

5. Makers Mark

6. Four Roses

 

 

I find that Woodford makes a fine Manhattan, but by itself has a bite. I do enjoy the three bolded labels--I have a bottle of each in my cabinet. I haven't tried the rest.

 

I must add one to the list above: Knob Creek; smooth, complex, warm, perfect with just a splash or one ice cube (my preference)

 

Except at the house, Beam is generally what I will drink here on Guam mainly because that's the only bourbon the bars here (or the airlines flying in and out) serve. In this part of the world, ppl consider Jack a bourbon. :yucky:

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Severian

Well, to be a "real" Vesper, it should be Kina Lilet, not just white Lilet, but that's no longer made, hasn't been for decades. So, Lilet gets you a bit close, I think Kina Lilet is supposed to be a tad more bitter, some people recommend a dash of bitters in the drink to mimic this. However, I don't want to mar the clarity.

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zurg

To be faaaiiirrr.... Woodford is really good. Especially the Double Oak.

It’s decent, I agree. I like Elijah Craig even better.

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Oathtaker

Woodford is middle of the road.

 

If you want to get a good bourbon that's actually the same price or less than Woodford, try some of these:

 

1. Buffalo Trace

2. Weller

3. Balconies

4. TX (straight or blend)

5. Makers Mark

6. Four Roses

 

If you want to spend a bit more money - go with one of these:

 

1. Whistle Pig

2. Old Forester 1920

3. Blantons (if you can find it)

4. Eagle Rare

5. Henry McKenna 10yr - bottled in bond

6. Weller 12

 

And the best cheap whiskeys are (IMHO):

1. Evan Williams

2. Texas Ranger

3. Old Forester 86

4. Wild Turkey 101

5. And yeah.....Jim Beam.

 

Heck of a list there, the first two sets are definitely excellent choices. As for the third, given a choice between cheap liquor and nothing, I’ll chose nothing.

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corporal_little

Heck of a list there, the first two sets are definitely excellent choices. As for the third, given a choice between cheap liquor and nothing, I’ll chose nothing.

I usually agree, except for these few bourbons.

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corporal_little

I find that Woodford makes a fine Manhattan, but by itself has a bite. I do enjoy the three bolded labels--I have a bottle of each in my cabinet. I haven't tried the rest.

 

I must add one to the list above: Knob Creek; smooth, complex, warm, perfect with just a splash or one ice cube (my preference)

 

Except at the house, Beam is generally what I will drink here on Guam mainly because that's the only bourbon the bars here (or the airlines flying in and out) serve. In this part of the world, ppl consider Jack a bourbon. :yucky:

Ya know, there are several highly acclaimed bourbons that I just don’t care for... Knob Creek is one. Angel’s Envy and Garrison Bro’s are the other two. However, as our friends at Whiskey Tribe always say, the best whiskey is the one you like to drink...

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MontyPython

LOL. All you rich people who can choose which whiskey.

 

We have a choice too: Either never drink whiskey, or buy the cheapest brand on the bottom shelf. Up until a few months ago it was R&R. But they raised their prices recently, so now it's Lewis & Clark.

 

It's awful. But it's still better than no whiskey at all.

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corporal_little

LOL. All you rich people who can choose which whiskey.

 

We have a choice too: Either never drink whiskey, or buy the cheapest brand on the bottom shelf. Up until a few months ago it was R&R. But they raised their prices recently, so now it's Lewis & Clark.

 

It's awful. But it's still better than no whiskey at all.

 

Well....like Dave Ramsey says.....manage your money or the lack of it will manage you.

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zurg

LOL. All you rich people who can choose which whiskey.

 

We have a choice too: Either never drink whiskey, or buy the cheapest brand on the bottom shelf. Up until a few months ago it was R&R. But they raised their prices recently, so now it's Lewis & Clark.

 

It's awful. But it's still better than no whiskey at all.

There’s another choice, drink the lower grade or don’t drink at all. I generally choose the latter. Makes me appreciate the rare occasions more when I get some high quality stuff.

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